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Recently received an estimate for the application of 15 sq. 6″ cedar mill siding and 5 sq. of Hardie Shakes to be applied to a story and a half , walk out with a 12/12 pitch. The estimate worked out to $187 per sq……labor only. I’m supplying the material. Seems a little steep. Input? Comments. What’s your experience in this area?
Lets hear some feed back gang.
Wayne
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If it takes three men a week which it may...that's $23 per hour...That includes selling the job, advertising, and on and on too...
How much do you make an hour and do you pay 14 percent workers comp. and 8 percent unemployment on top of all the standard costs usually equalling half somone's pay....ie...owner takes $5 per hour off the top for overhead and a tiny profit of one percent to none...so $18 divided by three...the carpenters are being paid $9...If they work 40 hours they will gross $360...and net maybe $290...Not a lot to live on!!!
Now tell me if you are getting a good deal...
near the stream,
aj
*Wayne,Ditto what Jack said. He knows the costs of running a business. The best thing for you to do is get another quote or two from reputable contractors to see if it is in line for your area. Most people on your end of the contract think anything seems a little high. If you know the guy to be competent this price is not out of line for straight-forward new work that does not include soffit and fascia or any other trim work. If this is a reside with tear off or landscaping in the way, working around decks or other ornamentation etc., it could be a lot more for me to do the job.Wood usually goes for 100 and up per sq. in my area. Just did a 30sq hardiplank job at 120/sq. that came in at 5k with vinyl soffit and aluminum fascia. No additional trim except corner board and both are new construction. To tell you anything else on your job would be irresponsible without seeing it in person. I think this board is overused for comparing prices on specific jobs. I just don't see that as a good thing for you to try use it for.TomP.s. Unless you are a contractor yourself with whom I have a longstanding relationship and who would be on call to run for any additional materials I need at a moments notice, I would still markup the materials on you. If you are not a contractor I guarantee I will get a better deal than you. Why? The goodwill generated by my past business and the promise of future business.
*As a contractor, I can only tell you what the going rate in my area is:For cement fiber siding (Hardie, Abtco, etc...) it would be in the $125.00 sq range - no trim, no surprises, no obstacles) For other than straight from the box to the wall installation, the price would be calculated accordingly.Overhead, expenses, and misc. costs are a very large part of a bid for work by a contractor. If you like the guy, feel comfortable working with him, know that he does good work, and know he is reliable and honest, go with your gut instincts. If not, get more bids. We can all answer your question on costs, but you are going to get many different answers. Regional costs vary widely, and long distance guestimating over the internet is almost impossible. We do not know what your job looks like, any details present that we can't see, and what the bid specs are exactly. We can only generalize, which may or may not be helpful.Just a thought...James DuHamel
*dense as usual, i'm missing something..is the wood siding going on the sidewall? (15 sq)and the Hardie SHAKES going on the roof ?how do you apply Hardie Shakes ? just like Red cedar shingles? 12/12 pitch roof? strip and reroof? or new const.?so, les see.... 20 x $187 = $3740 ... yup, sounds like a deal...
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Okay guys.....here's the deal. I am a contractor....and trying to establish a working relationship with another contractor to apply Hardie for me. Comparative quotes are hard to come by as not many in this area are doing an Hardie. As with alot of things around my neck of the woods.......the construction trades around here are barely in the 20th century even though it's almost the 21rst.
It's all new construction. One deck, one small porch to deal with. Pretty straight forward. The fascia and soffit are already there. The only other trim required is to post the corners (5), and a ribbon break on the gables. The shakes are on the gable ends.....for the dense ones out there.....hardie shakes do not go on the roof. I mentioned the roof pitch to give everyone an idea about the logistics required to complete the task.
After reading all that has been posted....I still think that $187 Sq. is steep. Especially considering that this individual is looking to establish an ongoing working relationship...... and yes, I understand that the cost can be passed to the home owner. But, I don't want to appear to be a bandit either.
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for the other dense ones out there Hardies shingles DO go on the roof and I have fitted quite a few.
*I bet the price is right if you divide it by the amount of wall space including windows and doors which is how I do it...When you're paying you tend to measure exact sqft to be covered...when you're the one applying the siding...b you knowthat every object on the wall takes time including every corner, porch, deck, vent, etc...If this guy is paying on the books and has full insurance, you're getting a good price I bet.near the stream,aj
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I'm a siding contractor and most my business is installing Hardier I would probably charge you close to $187 for the shakes. But not that much for the siding, something closer to $120. But, prices vary from area to area especially so when it comes to Hardier products.
Alan
*Perhaps the best we can do here is list what goes into a bid of this type in the first place. This would produce an outcome that is objective rather than subjective in nature. I vote for getting more bids from reputable subs also.
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On a single story. New construction or old siding already removed or prepped we are coming in at about 130 a square. Would have to be straight forward enough so that three guys couod hit 4.5 sq a day. 2 guys would have to hit 3 just to cover costs, and that is labor only. get more then 10 feet off the ground and our rates go up . If it is just gable ends we just go with the flow if a good size house. If a second story we go up to about 170 and up. Through in a bunck of bump outs or octogon windows and the price goes up too.
*Mr Muck You say you are the contractor and you are trying to establish a working relationship with an other contractor to apply Hardy for you. Have you ever installed Hardy yourself. Or are you just plugging in the numbers and trying to find someone to fit your budget. You later state the individual is looking to establish a ongoing working relationship. If he is trying to establish a working relationship, and that's the price he quoted, then that's probably the price he fells is fair for all parties. That being a price he can make a profit and one you would except. I am also a licensed contractor, from Florida. I also sub myself out as a carpenter to other contractors. There are some jobs that bid high because I do'nt want the work. A $1.87 a sf seems a little high for down here. With the great influx labor, ther's always someone to do it cheaper. If the contactor does'nt like my price he's free to find that someone cheaper. I get most of my work due to quality not price. If this is your only bid, get a couple more. If this is the highest bid, but you like his work, he might be worth it.
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Recently received an estimate for the application of 15 sq. 6" cedar mill siding and 5 sq. of Hardie Shakes to be applied to a story and a half , walk out with a 12/12 pitch. The estimate worked out to $187 per sq......labor only. I'm supplying the material. Seems a little steep. Input? Comments. What's your experience in this area?
Lets hear some feed back gang.
Wayne