Been a warm one this summer. Just curious how hot does it have to get before you stop working and send the crew home?
jt8
“A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.” — Saint Basil
Edited 7/31/2006 5:09 pm by JohnT8
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Well, its hot EVERY day here in Florida but of course the humidity is what REALLY gets to you. Each day is at least a two or three shirt day for me...
We usually just don't go home but plan accordingly. If its alot of direct sunlight work, we'll start very early 6:00 am and then go home around 1-2pm. Skip lunch as who the hell is hungry in that heat anyway.
I do tell folks I give better prices for indoor jobs over the summer! And if you want a deck built or something in the direct heat...you're paying for it... ;)
>>I do tell folks I give better prices for indoor jobs over the summer! And if you want a deck built or something in the direct heat...you're paying for it... ;)
Well, we're 'polar' opposites. Ask for deck in the winter, you'll pay for it was slog around in the mud, rain, and short daylight. Gimme a nice indoor remodel that lasts from November to March and you're my best client ever.
Depends on how hot the woman is!
Just don't look at the left side of the thermometer- if you stick with the numbers on the right side, it's only 44, so you should be wearing a jacket!
Bob
Mind over matter, huh? Well I'm probably not going to be wearing a jacket at 44 degrees, but no question that I'd rather be working in 44 than 110.
Looks like it might be starting to edge down a bit. Tomorrow's heat index is 104. That's better than 110-120.
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jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
Edited 8/1/2006 12:54 am by JohnT8
Last Saturday morning I tried cutting some brush - Still cleaning up from the storms.Man, was that ever tough. Working on the east side of a white house early in the morning. Trees all around, so no breeze. Around noon I couldn't take it anymore. I told 'em I was going home and take a shower until I ran out of cold water.I'm not much good if it's over 90°.
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Today was right at 100* in many areas of LaCrosse, WI. They were claiming heat indicies of 110 to 115. We had shade and garage work (we're framing a large garage/sport court addition) to get ready for subs. Boss's wife (the real boss :) called and suggested we go home. She was worried of heat stroke, figured the work could wait.
I made sure to tell her I was writing down the day she said "there's always tomorrow"! Laugh. I went home a tad early. We had fans moving air and were out of the sun, but the garage was still 92*. Sticky
Looks like tomorrow will be similar, then rain may move in to cool Wednesday to about 80. Inside work is good.
Neither cold, nor darkness will deter good people from hastening to the dreadful place to quench the flame. They do it not for the sake of reward or fame; but they have a reward in themselves, and they love one another.
-Benjamin Franklin
I made sure to tell her I was writing down the day she said "there's always tomorrow"! Laugh. I went home a tad early. We had fans moving air and were out of the sun, but the garage was still 92*. Sticky
That pic I posted was the garage on Sunday around 2-3PM. Couple degrees cooler on the first floor of the house. Several degrees warmer (than the 110) in the attic. But I wouldn't be going into the attic other than to adjust the fan up there (trust me, it ain't gonna need adjusting while its 100 outside).
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
I did drywall everything for 12 years . Winter months I thrived but after 80ish degrees I felt like mud .Humidity /drywallmud=evil , very evil.I have on many ocasion , put off doing the 2-3 story cielings , if temps get much above 80 and any kind of humidity was bad .
When it is this hot (90's and humid) I work so slow that it no longer qualifies as work.
And I still try to knock off early. Friday I worked a full day but I was moving really slow at the end.
Rich Beckman
Another day, another tool.
When it is this hot (90's and humid) I work so slow that it no longer qualifies as work.
That's the way I get. Beyond about 85, I start to slow down. By the time you get around 95+, I'm wasting my time. I bulled my way through 7-9 hours on Saturday's 97, but got very little done and felt like I'd just completed a marathon (all uphill). And then oddly enough, had trouble getting to sleep that night even after cooling off and shower, etc.
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
You can't work for long if your exposed, if your shaded you can replenish your fluids, but if your exposed it's pretty hard.
I'm currently in winter but last summer we had a month of 110 F and no roof, no trees, we built a bit of shade. We'd start at 5 am and knock off at about 1 pm and work in blocks of no more than an hour and breaks of 10 - 15 mins.
And I'd buy a bag of ice a day.
My sympathies, people often talk of the hardships of working in the cold, and I'm sure it is hard, (I've never seen snow) but I find the heat to be a real obstacle, maybe I should take a hint from nature and migrate!
we do alot of work at night. usually about 2 am till about noon, we have at least one crew a night working.
A dry 110 or humid? It has been hot most of this summer, however the mid 90's back in May were accompanied by fairly low humidity, so while I wasn't enjoying it, I was able to work.
This crap now.. 93-100+ degrees F with 50-90% humidity is for the birds. Just wipes you out. Sweat doesn't evaporate fast enough to cool you off, and the more humid it gets the more clogged up my breathing gets. I just work slower and slower until I'm looking like a beached whale.
jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
Boy, I can relate to the exposed part. Before the heat got to you guys, we were having record temps here in California (124 degrees about 75 miles from my job site) and I was doing a short fence for a friend in direct sun. I retired about 2:30 because of the heat and on my way home, I almost lost it in the cab of the truck. Felt light headed, dizzy and had trouble staying on the road. After about twenty minutes, I was feeling better but it took me three or four hours to fully recover.
Boy, I can relate to the exposed part. Before the heat got to you guys, we were having record temps here in California (124 degrees about 75 miles from my job site) and I was doing a short fence for a friend in direct sun. I retired about 2:30 because of the heat and on my way home, I almost lost it in the cab of the truck. Felt light headed, dizzy and had trouble staying on the road. After about twenty minutes, I was feeling better but it took me three or four hours to fully recover.
Man, you were going to hard that day. It can be deadly.
It's been hot here in NY too (100+) and I was having a similar discussion today with one of the workers (the only one that wanted to come to work and get paid!)
Reminded me of a time I was doing a roof with my father. I must have consumed about three gallons of liquid that day, never hit the bathroom once. It was hot. for kicks my dad told me to get a thermometer up on the roof. It went up to pretty much as high as it could go. Dad said he felt sorry for the thermometer. Told me take it back down off the roof, then carry up another bundle of shingles, some nails and two more roof brackets. He made it pretty clear we weren't stopping.
At temps of 90-100, work can slow down a bunch. If the guys start taking 15 minute breaks every 15 minutes, I figure we might just as well call it a day. Otherwise people can get hurt, (and the work suffers too).
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
Yeah, and I was starting to freak a while back when I had to build a walkway frame over a brook while on a flat driveway. Then drag it to it's resting place.
In the sun with no shade around 100degrees then the reflecting heat and I'm only concerned over the batteries in the drills sitting exposed.
Dragged myazz all the rest of the day and the next feeling like heat exhaustion.
But his story takes the cake. I have to learn to start watching it.
be burned"The old Quaker Meeting house is almost 300 years old and as my sawzall made its way into the pegged ancient wood, a smell emerged that told me about dried, cracked things. The ancient Quakers sitting in the well worn pocket of their silence on the darkened pine benches were whispering something to me across the years. Something about why I was here, why we're here. Lord but it was hot. I reached in to clear anything out of what was the sill, nothing but the hardened mud, lime and sand mortar, dust and shadows." -- Jer
I don't know, but we're gonna find out this week. We're starting a 2nd floor tear-off tommorow (supposed to start today). By Wednesday we're supposed to have a heat index up around 115 degrees with humidity up above 70%. It's gonna be nasty.
I don't have a set temperature on the high end or the low end that we shut down at. But with weather extremes, it becomes obvious pretty quickly when it's time to go home and for us it really doesn't happen that often. But this Wednesday I'll be open to that option if it's as bad as they say it's going to be. I'm a framer... not a heart surgeon. There are no emergencies so I'm not about to go and create one. I'd rather have a healthy full crew tomorrow than a 1/2 crew of heatstroke victims today.
To answer your question... below -10 and above 100-110 is when I'll look hard at shutting it down.
To answer your question... below -10 and above 100-110 is when I'll look hard at shutting it down.
I'd MUCH rather work in cold weather, but a lot of the stuff you're working with doesn't like cold. Assuming I'm not in the wind, my cold limit is influenced more by the bulk of the clothes I'm wearing and whether the caulk/paint/adhesive/etc can cure at that temp. Otherwise if I'm out of the wind, moving around, and getting my rations, I can tolerate cold.jt8
"A tree is known by its fruit; a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost; he who sows courtesy reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love." -- Saint Basil
John
I'm sitting here listening to the weather on TV and they are complaining about the temps of 99-100° and with the humidity the heat index is a whopping 104°!
Here in central Texas they dont know what humidity is. I was talking to a guy in Cedar Falls Ia. an hour ago and he said it was mid 90's with humidity around 70%. Those days are far worse then any of this 100-102° and humidity around 22%.
Growing up in Iowa and working on a farm I remember the farmers tell me that they would rather work in 20° then 90°, I think I was just to stupid to realize what they meant, I do now though because I feel the same way.
Doug
Edited 7/31/2006 7:28 pm ET by DougU
we very rarely have humity less than 100%. but when we do it great.
Hold on a minute, I gotta clean the Pepsi off my screenSamT
You have to realize what BB's occupation is - "Arts/Entertainment".But he is not too far off.http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBFM/2006/7/21/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NALook at the temp & dewpoint chart for the alst 10 days.
100% humidty just means its raining outside :)
--" 100% humidty just means its raining outside :)"Actually, when it is raining the humidity is 100% in the cloud where the rain is forming.On the ground, a whole range of humidity readings are possible. In the desert, the air may be so dry that the rain evaporates before it even hits the ground, this is called "virga".http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tg/wvirga/wvirga.htmhttp://www.srh.noaa.gov/abq/feature/FlashFloodDetection/Images/Virga.jpg
Edited 8/1/2006 6:19 pm ET by basswood
It is never too hot to work.
Of course I'm not in my 50's yet ;-)
current conditions
93 and 52% humidity
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Edited 8/1/2006 4:57 pm ET by Sailfish
Wow, just watching news and the death tool is quite high becuase of the heat. Over 150 nationwide!!! Its bad here in Florida but at least many of us have AC. God help those folks around the country who don't have it!!! Yikes.
And for the record, I worked 6 hours today outside but not in the direct sunlight and then called it quits. This 37 year old body doesn't like 93 degrees 94 % humidity anymore...
But it would have been a great day at the beach!!!!!
"Great day at the beach"
I just was down to Ft.Myers, left yesterday am...red tide kept me away from the beach, the dead fish and eels was pretty bad...Sunday was 95 and humid enough to remind me of an old sponge...I'll stick with Ky.
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Yeah, I heard the Red Tide is back again cause the water is so warm and heading north... Stinks! Literally and figuratively.. It'll be up in the Tampa area probably by mid August if the currents don't change.
But it is always fun to just hang out in the sun and sand...
I haven't heard of that yet here in Tampa
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Sailfish,
Oh, man you are lucky then!
The wife and I went to Clearwater Beach last year and the minute we got out of the car we both about puked! Held our breath and walked down to the water to hundreds of dead fish and other creatures rotting on the beach.
And from what I understand, its not the dead fish smell that gets you, the red tide is actually a spore growth etc (not a biologist so excuse my improper term use) that is airborne and actaully can cause respitory problems to folks with asthma and the like.
Its been around for years as I remember it as a kid but lately seems to be a bit worse...Or only so becasue it occurs when I want to go to the beach!!!
Last year was the worse in like 70 years or something. It was horrible. It started in March!!! and went into the fall.
The previous fall all the rain from the hurricanes we got caused a breach in the nearby, inland phosphate storage pits.
In order for them to save the rivers they pumped tankerfuls of the stuff and took it offshore (70-110 miles I believe), next year the worse outbreak of redtide!!
Coincidence???
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End of last week, and today, I've been moving slowly - humid and right at a hundred, and I'm on a roof. I try just to slow down and keep at it - can't wear sunglasses, they fill up with water. Big floppy / goofy hat helps a lot. Thursday I got so hot I was having those little cold chills. Hmmmmm.
Long as I'm outside, I'll stay working - not ever in an attic though - that's where you die. Couple of years ago I was working in Arlington, VA, and two HVAC guys died in an attic in the city, so they made some rules about no attic work after lunch if over so-an-so temp.
Forrest
Over 70 and I am sitting it out somewhere.
It is 60 degrees here right now. At least today I got some sunshine.
Yesterday and the day before it never got over 50. And rained constantly. At least it left the air smelling cleaner.
Power went out yesterday. Major outage. Affected a LOT of people. This one killed my computer. Luckily I had a backup computer to switch to. Now I have to find another backup...
Yadda yadda yadda
Supposed to be well over 100 tomorrow here and lots of humidity right through till Friday. Up on a scaffold today, well over 100 on the sunny side of the place, by myself. There was a g&% Da&Md rooster across the giant cemetery where I was, just announcing his roosterness to the world all day. The stones are from the 1700's and they're all the same height.
The old Quaker Meeting house is almost 300 years old and as my sawzall made its way into the pegged ancient wood, a smell emerged that told me about dried, cracked things. The ancient Quakers sitting in the well worn pocket of their silence on the darkened pine benches were whispering something to me across the years. Something about why I was here, why we're here. Lord but it was hot. I reached in to clear anything out of what was the sill, nothing but the hardened mud, lime and sand mortar, dust and shadows.
At days end I was talking mightily to myself. Laughing at my one way conversation, excusing myself to the old guy who's stone I was above, a youngster from 1817. He said nothing.
They called themselves The Friends. That was fine by me as I ambled off with another day done. I visit my friends in the graveyard, and I'll be back again one day no doubt.
Yep, it was hot, and it got to me? Maybe, but I'm here still.
Dude, you've been in the sun too long, you're starting to get poetic on us. Shoot, I just get grouchy when I've been hot too long ;)
But heck, that was good enough stuff for a sig line.
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jt8
"The old Quaker Meeting house is almost 300 years old and as my sawzall made its way into the pegged ancient wood, a smell emerged that told me about dried, cracked things. The ancient Quakers sitting in the well worn pocket of their silence on the darkened pine benches were whispering something to me across the years. Something about why I was here, why we're here. Lord but it was hot. I reached in to clear anything out of what was the sill, nothing but the hardened mud, lime and sand mortar, dust and shadows." -- Jer
"
"Dude, you've been in the sun too long"
A long long time. I start to hear and see things emerge from airy nothings.
You honor me with a sig.
Drink that cool water.
i dunno who's the furthest south on here, maybe florida guy, but i'm in bermuda and its like 90 with 90% humidity here this week...i drank about 4 liters of water today and never had to piss once hahaha...tho i did think i might pass out a few times, but yeah...this is hot...but it just gives the locals, who have lived their whole lives in this heat, an excuse to sit around the jobsites and complain about all us foreigners that are stealing their jobs HAHAHA...makes me laugh...
You know, I could probably tolerate the heat better if I was in Bermuda...or at least Key West...or maybe even a beach job local to where I'm at in Florida.
Sand, bikinis and cold drinks make the heat alot more tolerable... Hope the wife doesn't read that part about the bikinis! ;)
Check this out the only place with a higher heat index right now than Minnesota is Death Valley, CA.
http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/currentweatherusnational/uscurrentheatindex_large.html?from=wxcenter_maps
I worked outside three summers in Phoenix, AZ. We started at 5am in the summer so that we could have 8 hours in by 1:30. It would usually be over 100 by 9am. We never quit working due to heat, although work tended to get slow around December/Jan. We wrapped nail gun handles and other stuff in leather so that we could handle it without getting burned. I know that we worked in temps of 115 plus by the end of many days.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
Funny thing was that I moved to Phoenix from Montana. There I had gotten used to working in the 20s without gloves. Second fall in Arizona: Temp dropped from over 100 to a high of about 60 degrees in one day's time in November. I thought I was gonna freeze. I guess there are some benefits to such harsh laboring conditions. Most weather of any sort doesn't bother me much now, although I still prefer cool weather.
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We were waiting on the septic tank pumper-people to show up and flush one of their radio-transmitter gizmos down the toilet so we could locate a tank we'd been told was in any of three locations. (It was in the fourth place, of course.) We waited and waited...waited s'more...then finally called and learned that a guy on the truck had keeled over with heatstroke and ended up in the hospital, so they were running a bit behind.
John,
Yesterday! 100 and humid in N.E. Wis. Made it to about 1:30 PM down in the hole, setting ICF basement forms. No air movement in the hole, and no shade.
I can't take hot weather. Like the cold much better.
Stay cool!
Brudoggie
if you wish more info see this.
http://www.osha.gov/dts/osta/otm/otm_iii/otm_iii_4.html
TABLE III:4-2. PERMISSIBLE HEAT EXPOSURE THRESHOLD LIMIT VALUES
These TLV's are based on the assumption that nearly all acclimatized, fully clothed workers with adequate water and salt intake should be able to function effectively under the given working conditions without exceeding a deep body temperature of 38°C (100.4° F). They are also based on the assumption that the WBGT of the resting place is the same or very close to that of the workplace. Where the WBGT of the work area is different from that of the rest area, a time-weighted average should be used (consult the ACGIH 1992-1993 Threshold Limit Values for Chemical Substances and Physical Agents and Biological Exposure Indices (1992).
These TLV's apply to physically fit and acclimatized individuals wearing light summer clothing. If heavier clothing that impedes sweat or has a higher insulation value is required, the permissible heat exposure TLV's in Table III:4-2 must be reduced by the corrections shown in Table III:4-3.
That looks about right. jt8
"The old Quaker Meeting house is almost 300 years old and as my sawzall made its way into the pegged ancient wood, a smell emerged that told me about dried, cracked things. The ancient Quakers sitting in the well worn pocket of their silence on the darkened pine benches were whispering something to me across the years. Something about why I was here, why we're here. Lord but it was hot. I reached in to clear anything out of what was the sill, nothing but the hardened mud, lime and sand mortar, dust and shadows." -- Jer
Ugh, hard to "fit" that to local conditions.
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S Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Shoot, I thought it got hot down there. Pretty mild if 93 is your high. We were over 100 this week.
jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
Its really not that hot down here. a little warm but usually it worst at this time of year. I guess that why the storms are not bad so far. 95 aint nothing around here. with that wind coming off the gulf. but those days at 100% humity with no wind , a 70 degree day is bad
I thought it got hot down there. Pretty mild if 93 is your high
Oh, it does get hot. The record for today is 104º. The normal high for today is 97º.
It sure felt like 96-98 yesterday (all the water vapor gets up to that temperature, too) about mid-day. Not so terrribly bad about 1700, if you were i nthe shade and a some breeze.
I'm perfectly happy with this cool spell, all those folks off to the east & north can have that heat wave.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Dang it! ALL WEEK LONG they've been saying it was going to cool off for the weekend. Now they're saying 91-95.
95 is not cooled off. Sheeze, not getting crap done.
jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
I was supposed to cut some trees and limbs out of someone's yard tomorrow. I called 'em this morning and said I couldn't be there. I tried it last weekend, and almost got sick. I don't need that.Be careful - I ain't got time to come up for your funeral.
I Really Don't Trust Sane People
John
You down in Southern Ill?
My wife is doing some training in Aurora and she said yesturday after the previous nights storms that the temps only got up to 75° she said that its supposed to be back up for today and even hotter this weekend.
I hope all that hot weather is gone by the time I take my mini vacation before the big move back, I need a break!
Doug
John is in Springfield. I'm about an hour south of him.
Q: How many women does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None - They just sit there in the dark and bitch.
What Boss said.
I went out at lunch and it didn't seem as hot ("only" 88). jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
95 is not cooled off. Sheeze, not getting crap done
No lie. Coming out of the A/C into 95º around 50-60% RH is like hitting a wall.
Then the "cool" fro mthe a/c "wears off," and you start to sweat a bit--which is a bit pointless, as it's too humid for (useful) evaporative cooling, which only makes you sweat more . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
And a couple hours later you look like someone pushed you into a swimming pool.
jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
you look like someone pushed you into a swimming pool
No, "refreshed and cooled off," is not how a person looks <g> . . .
Soggy, droopy, a squint from the sweat in your eyes . . .
Got to change a flat on Friday afternoon about 1705 in the lovely 96º weather.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
How did you get along this weekend? At least the humidity was lower.It's been so dry that Dad decided to clean out a pond. Carl and I spent a fair amount of time out there over the weekend hauling slimey mud out of the bottom of the thing. We didn't get done, and it looks like it might rain today. so we might be done for this year...
Don’t judge a book by its movie.
Saturday was tolerable, but found more wood chewers, so things came to a halt. Sunday I just did some busy work, but it was getting pretty hot.
Monday I had the bugman coming back, so I went ahead and took the whole day off. Put in a good 12 hrs or so. Pretty hot.. garage got up to 100, low 90's in the house. About another 3-5 degrees and I might have called it a day. But the temp peaked a bit early (maybe by 2:30 instead of 4 or 5). Must have been that weather front moving in.
Monday while working I drank:2 bottles of water (16x2=32oz)1 2L bottle of D. Coke (67oz?)2 McD's 42oz cups (Summer special, 69 cents...73 with tax). Sucked down one while I was eating a double-cheeseburger, then filled the cup back up when I left (surprised it didn't give me a gut ache)When i got home2 32oz mugs of ice water, glass of milk, 12oz can of rootbeer, 20oz or so of misc.
I sweated almost all of it off. jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
What was the bug man doing? Injecting in the soil for the termite shield?
"The old Quaker Meeting house is almost 300 years old and as my sawzall made its way into the pegged ancient wood, a smell emerged that told me about dried, cracked things. The ancient Quakers sitting in the well worn pocket of their silence on the darkened pine benches were whispering something to me across the years. Something about why I was here, why we're here. Lord but it was hot. I reached in to clear anything out of what was the sill, nothing but the hardened mud, lime and sand mortar, dust and shadows." -- Jer
Edited 8/8/2006 7:11 pm ET by rez
What was the bug man doing? Injecting in the soil for the termite shield?
This was the FOURTH visit. Visit one they trenched along the inside (crawlspace) and outside perimeter and injected chemicals. They also treated around the support post pads. Visit two they treated a half dozen stumps in close proximity to the house (which were crawling with nature's stump removers).
Visit three & four was caused by colonies living between the chemical barriers. Apparently they migrated in via the water line penetration prior to treatment and then worked their way up into the unfilled concrete blocks. Then waltzed right up into the sill (no copper termite guard) and from there to the rim joist and floor joists. And then into the bottom plate. Appears that it was a self sustaining colony right within the blocks.
Attached pic is from the left side of visit four. A chewed up section of sill is out. It appears that the 4" deep blocks have their cavities filled, but they are actually filled with termite dirt/crap. Take the cats paw to them and you can collapse them and expose the block cavities.
On visit three, I had already collapsed the cavity colonies, foamed the cavities up to about 1" shy of the top and then filled the rest with concrete patch (Drylok variety..figure if its water proof, is should be bug proof). The problem with doing this was that the bug man wasn't able to spray into the cavities (termites were discovered on a Saturday, and it was Tuesday before the bugman could make it out). Hopefully visit four's treatment down the block cavities will carry over to visit three's geography (just a few feet down the wall).
And by the by, you can just barely notice some orange in that pic. When I Drylok'ed the inside perimeter of the blocks, I had taken along a claw hammer and wacked the sills and joist ends as I went. If I found a soft spot, I hit it with the orange paint so that I would know to replace it later. So with the area in visit four, I knew there was damage there (just not how much), but with the area in visit three, there was no way to tell it was damaged until I took out a joist. They had come up through the sill under the rim joist and went along the backside of the sill and then on into the floor joists.
Exterior is brick, so none of this can be spotted from the exterior.jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
So John,
How much did they pay you to take it off their hands?
be ROAR!
We can imagine something that only exists in our heads, in a form that has no measureable, tangible reality, and make it actually occur in the real world. Where there was nothing, now there is something.Forrest - makin' magic every day
Sad to say I had to bid hard to get it. The REALLY sad thing is that most of the guys I was bidding against were just going to give it a lite cosmetic fix. They probably wouldn't have found the new termites.
$$-wise I'm still well below what the neighborhood will support, however I will price myself out of the house prior to outpricing the neighborhood.
jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
and smarta$$-wise I'm glad you weren't offended by my jest:o)
Seems like the bulk of yer ugly is over now and your getting on to the fun stuff of creating.
Go baby go!
be staying in the black
We can imagine something that only exists in our heads, in a form that has no measureable, tangible reality, and make it actually occur in the real world. Where there was nothing, now there is something.Forrest - makin' magic every day
and smarta$$-wise I'm glad you weren't offended by my jest:o)
I had to have a sense of humor to take this house on. I didn't want to deal with one this messed up, but there are SO damn many people out trying to flip houses that it is hard to find one. I went 1-2 years without one. So finally instead of getting a cosmetic fix in a marginal neighborhood, I went with a major gut in a good neighborhood.
Purchase price was about 1/3 of what its finished value would be.
Seems like the bulk of yer ugly is over now and your getting on to the fun stuff of creating.
Getting closer to that point. I've got over 800 hours into it already. And my "volunteer" force has over 100 hours in. 70 yards of well-packed dumpsters and have abused the local "bonfire" ordinance to get rid of piles of subfloor/joists/etc (helps that dry wood burns fairly clean).
Would have been easier to build one from scratch, but lots in this area are outrageous.
The work doesn't bother me, but I do worry that I will run out of time or $$ (or both)
:)
jt8
""The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." --Dave Barry
Capn, is your humidity really as high as 50-60%? I didnt think you were that far east of here.
I think we run humidity wise somewhere in the nighborhood of 30% over here, way below the normal that I'm used to up in Iowa which this time of the year is usually 80%, thats where the sweating starts to take its toll. Maybe I'm wrong on the humidity here in central TX.
I ride my bike around for an hour and because I dont feel all wet and muggy I wonder if I'm really riding all that hard. Up north I'd be drenched riding around in 85° weather in August.
Doug
is your humidity really as high as 50-60%? I didnt think you were that far east of here
Strangely, there is that much change in that little longitude's difference. You are actually an entire rainfall syncline west of here, almost 10" of annual rainfall's difference.
You also have more topography, which circulates a bit more air, which affects you absolute humidity (which is the value I tend to quote, not RH, as RH varies too much per day--90+ in the morning and 30-40 in the afternoon).
Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Fortunately my main responsibilites are in an office with AC, but on days here in Tx where I am in the field...like tommorrow...I start off slow and taper off as the day progresses. : - )
one of my good engineer friends runs a large concrete contractor in NYC. He sent his crews home when it got to be 100+. Just a bit of input. When I was a framing apprentice, I remember the thermometer hitting 115 and going thru 10 gals + of water, etc. it's all about what you're use to...
"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a governmental program" -Ronald Reagan
I'll let you know when it happens. In over 30 years of south Florida construction I can't remember ever knocking off because of heat. If we quit because it was hot no work would ever get done.
Where I live in the N.E. 100 degrees is the cut off temp.
My sympathies to all in the trades who are out there in the heat and high humidity which really makes things "stickey" My son who is in the Special Forces sent me a picture from Afghanistan where their round wall thermometer was pegged at 130 degrees!! Everytime I feel sorry for myself I think of those dedicated men wearing body armour in that kind of heat!!! Gatoraid really does help and a wet towel around the neck to cool the blood going to the brain helps some. If possible, work hard early and get out before it's way too hot and know when to call it a day at the first signs of stress. Everyone has a different level of tolerance for heat. Be sure and hydrate the night before going out to work-it really helps!!