A homeowner brought me a book on ideas for a bthroom remodel she wants, pointing to pictures etc and then left me the book. Its by Rodale.
In it it compares how much money a person can save by doing work themselves.
In it it says that on one particular bathroom an average person can hang, tape and texture 6 sheets of drywall in 3 hours
It also says that if the ownr is doing the work themslves they will save almost 60% of the total cost
Boy, I sure cant, if it has any corerns cut outs or anything else, or its going to be hidden behind a tub and quality is not an issue
maybe Im slow, drywall is not what I do for a living
maybe this relates to the “standard practice ‘ question, wht kind of tape, texture quality
or maybe it was put out by Home depot….see do it yourself and saveyou dont need no stinkin permits, plumbers or elctricans
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ha ha
That Rodale writer could not hav ebeen a pro. Here is what I will bet happened - The y looked into some sort of estimating book for a rate, and found the minimum for large areas and low quality work, then ratioed thgat into their square footage with out any factor for upgrade to goo d work or waste or small spaces. A bathroom has lots of cuts to slow the work down.
i suppose that in a bathroom, i would be wortking hard to get six sheets hung and taped in a full nine hour day. Then comes the finish coats and texture.
of course, I don't do that work day in and day out either.
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>> Six sheets hung and taped in nine hours - can I come and work for you?
Piffer...wind the watch pal..
I don't rock every day..or every week..or every month
But, I can easily hang or attach on a lid 6 sheets in less than 2 hours..by myself.
mud it in..first coat..six boards? 3 hrs. tops..and thats without stilts..
not braggin, just, it aint an all day job.
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ssure but how many corners and cutouts and how far are you carrying this on a remodel? lots more cuts and corners in a bathroom.
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I gotta agree with you, bathroom is the toughest room in the house to hang drywall in. No full sheets, lots'a cutouts, no room to maneuver, corners everywhere, no room for your ladder. Just to name a few......
Piffin: Never rocked a bath - but I've hung wallpaper in many of them. The principles are exactly the same. The average bath does not have more than one strip that runs full width floor to ceiling. That has to mirror what is underneath. I jokingly tell people I'll paper their bath for $50,000; but do a gym for $50. I'm with you - but on the other hand, I etch glass fore a living - whadda I no?
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We do 25-30 bathrooms a year. Anywhere from a new tub surround and paint to a full blown remodel. Definately the toughest room to rock do not only to the corners, cutouts etc. but the fact you often can't cut the rock there as there is no room. So it gets done outside and hoofed inside. More time than just bringing in 2 sheets at a time and stocking the room. Anyway my vote is 4 hours to hang it, 4 hours total to finish it. DanT
Since we haven't seen the exacty quote, maybe what Rodale meant was that a DIY could do it all in three hours per SHEET!
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yes but have you figured in the thinking time and coffee!!!!
ok with that added in..much more time..lol
I had to scribe my SR to a log wall in my kitchen..THAT took a while..then I got smart and grooved the logs and tucked in there DUH..
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Tell her you're booked up for the foreseeable future.
I do two or three rock jobs a year, maybe four. It depends. 90% reno's so I'm working on somebody else's framing; never great and sometimes unbelievably bad. To do a good job, you've got to take the time required to prepare the substrate. Just like tile.
I just overbid one job so bad I lost it back to the HOs, who are not bad people at all but don't have lots of money, because I've worked on their house before and I know the framing is a horror. The HO and his DW will manage to get the 10 sheets of rock up there; they won't count the hours, just the number of weekends, and they won't do a particularly good job. But they won't get mad at themselves for joints that crack or show through the paint. They would have been disappointed in me if I did a job commensurate with the low-end quality of their shack, so the situation forced me to price myself out to save my customer's face.
A second aspect of gyprocking: As Piffin said, bathrooms have lots of cut outs; that takes time. If you want to just slap the rock up and go for it with the Rotozip, well, look at the photo below before you take that decision. I uncovered this last Thursday while finishing someone else's one-coated joints four years after the fact (new owners wanted the unfinished basement finished). Found a bump near a box and dug a bit to check it out. Found that wire looped in front of the box (Bad Sparky! Bad!) and pinched between the rock and the box itself. The arrow points to where the Rotozip hit the hot lead when the box was zipped after the rock was hung. The tapers were moving so fast, they mudded right over the wire and went away. This puppy coulda burnt that house to the ground without too much more bad luck than just somebody plugging a space heater into that circuit. Where the 'zip tool nicked the hot lead, there wasn't more than a quarter of the gauge left. As soon as a full 15-amp load came on that circuit, it woulda been barbecue time and no fooling.
Bad gyprock work is everywhere. It has become the standard of the industry. "REMEMBER: THE TAPE IS 2" WIDE!" "ROTOZIP IT; WHO HAS TIME TO MEASURE AND CUT OUT?" "SLAP IT UP AND SCREW IT. THE TAPERS WILL SMOOTH IT OUT."
Nuts to all that noise....
30 minutes per sheet including taping and texturing???? For a DIYer???Get real, Rodale. What a lie.
Sphere--not aimed at you or what you posted. Just my view of what I've seen here. If you can do the job in that time, more power to ya. (I know you wouldn't do a botch.)
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thank god you over bid that job!
'god' had nothing to do with it--I just know how that shack is built from having worked on it a few times before and seen others do the same over the years. It's owners generously describe the framing as 'interesting'...when in fact Boss Hog would probably go into terminal cataplectic paroxysmal laughter were he able to see the so-called trusses in the attic....
Here: look at this--note the elegant wave in the ceiling; that's not easy to do, you know, LOL....
The kids that own this place are really nice people. I like 'em a lot and couldn't figure out how to tell them their cabin isn't worth the money a pro would charge to do that particular job right--not without hurting their feelings, anyway. That shack is their pride and joy, and I had one as bad as that myself years ago, so I know the feeling. Problem is, they have just a little bit too much money--which is to say enough to waste on cosmetic work but not enough to really fix the place correctly so they'll have something valuable down the road.
I need money, just like anybody else. Hell, maybe more than anybody else...but that young couple is only making the same damned mistake I would have made had I been able to afford it at the same age--so if I can tweak things so they spend the dough on their new baby instead of me, why the heck not?
I doubled the estimate, then regretfully refused to break down the price into its components without charging them 2 hours for the work to do so.
Who knows? Maybe I'll get some karmic points for that. Never hurts....Dinosaur
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Just finished a 1400 sq. foot basement with 5 rooms and a stairwell. total time to rock and finish ready for paint 14 hour.
Now the break down. 6 guys (2 hours) humped the rock into the basement, just after they started 8 more guys (full day)started installing sheets, over the next 3 days for two hours at a time 8 guys taped and finished. used 165 sheets of 1/2" 4x8.
I think thats 39 mins a sheet!!
This is a pro crew so 30 mins a sheet is really moving!!!!
not bad at all.......
eight guys in a basement ? for two hours a day ? how do all of these people get to and from the job ? isn't that a lot of traveling time ? do you guys sand and vac when you are done ?
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Remember this basement is 1400 sq feet. They would arrive with spackel blobs on them and mud in the pan!
How'd you get all those guys in a 5x8 bathroom at the same time? <g>Pete Duffy, Handyman
We took a tip from the last olympics, as in synchronized swimming. Synchronized hanging and spackling!!
Rodale's statement about the time to drywall a bathroom is similar to asking how deep is a lake. It depends. I used to hang sheetrock for a living and it is probably reasonable to say that 3 hours of labor are involved in hanging, taping, and texturing a simple 5' x 8' bath, well framed, in new construction, with rock, tape, mud, fasteners, texture, etc. stocked on the job. This is assuming that the whole house is being drywalled and we are just looking at the fraction of hours spent on the bath. Remodeling a bathroom is a completely different situation. You might also point out that at $50/hr times 3 hours times 60%, Rodale is saying the savings will be 90 bucks for diy.
"Found a bump near a box and dug a bit to check it out. Found that wire looped in front of the box (Bad Sparky! Bad!) and pinched between the rock and the box itself."
that reminds me of the rock job in the workshop out back of the house we bought a couple years ago. since it was only on a pair of 15a breakers run off the house panel we decided to put in a separate 200a service. so i'm pulling new romex to the junction box in the shop wall and i need to cut back some drywall around it. i'm running my utility knife down the wall along a stud and after i'm almost all the way thru i hit a couple lumps. hmmmm? i pull away the rock and there is a loose loop of hot 14/2 going across the edge of the stud and back! the lazy a$$ rockers just hung a sheet right over a friggin wire that was not stuffed back into the stud bay. i couldn't believe it- and was damn glad i didn't get zapped.
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Perhaps it'd be quicker to remove the fixtures, install the drywall, then reinstall everything.
I'm a DIY. I've worked with drywall maybe 3-4 times in my life. I think it would take me a weekend, working full days both days, and into the evenings to do a small bathroom.
However, my estimates are always overly optimistic. So in reality, it would take me 3 weekends to do that bathroom. But I won't admit it. :-)
Run the other way. Sounds like you will be justifying every minute of your time, every screw, etc.
Average person? No. One of us could do it with a whip on our back. Obviously a typo
FWIW, two guys hung 30 sheets in my house by noon. But the tape and texture (level 5) took a week... Then it took 4 weeks for the "clouds" to settle. Talk about dust!