First let me state , THIS IS NOT FUNNY ,
it is DANGEROUS,
the house sold for 1.2mil. but the owners figured out how to save a few bucks on the old wiring. This could fool a three prong tester
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Where's Inspector Bob when we need him?
How did you find that?
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
that's what I was saying,
that little trick could fool a plug-in tester ! The inspector isn't going to take things apart if his test reads OKand now, anything metallic in the system could be energized the pics about three years old,"
I always wonder what's out there I've not seen yet, and yet here is one more example. Amazing.
You've never seen this???
That trick must've been in some DIY'er mag or book or something long ago, or every half-wit Hardware store "expert" told people how to do this. You know, the same ones who sold people 30A fuses because the 15A ones were blowing.
I see this all the time.
If you walk into a house that is older than...say forty years, and there is no evidence of updating in the home except for the three wire receptacles, then they are either wired like that or there is nothing on the ground.If you haven't drawn blood today, you haven't done anything.
just to double check something....in a house wired in BX (metal sheathed cable), is it ok to install the outlets that self ground (the ones with the spring tab on the frame that bonds the mounting screw to the (metal) box....
well, no ground wire .......no ground !you may think its grounded, you may want it to be grounded,
is you BX new back to the panel?
You can do anything you want........the receptacles just need to be identified as not having a ground ....that is all there is ..tuit
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true, no green wire ground, but some of the old BX has a ground wire in it, & in any case the metal sheath is bonded to ground....so, are those outlets ok, or is it "not right"?
if your old BX is installed ...properly...and there is a bare wire inside the jacket that is in intimate contact with the armor throughout its entire length, .......I would say yes. However , when you remove a device from a box ,you no longer have a bond.Personally ,I have installed conduit
(romex in two houses,.....NEVER again)
as long as I have been an electrician, along with everything else,
and there is no substitute for a ground wire in every box"
maddog
My ex-FIL used to do that trick to fool the leased housing inspectors on his rental property!
He always maintained that it couldn't hurt anything. Another of his tricks was to run that wire from the ground nut to a metal box.
Doug
Edited 9/18/2005 9:21 pm ET by DougU
.......was your x-FIL a "qualified person" ??? I
I started this discussion parallel with that
"what does a electrician $" BS that has turned into a pissing contest about everything electrical.The setup in the picture was done by an electrician who did exacty what the "knowledgable" HO told him to do , and everybody involved should be fined or banned or lose their Real Estate license !"
.......was your x-FIL a "qualified person" ???
As a matter of fact, yes he was. I dont know why he did the stuff he did other then he was trying to milk the rental property for all its worth.
He knew the difference between right and wrong, just didnt like to apply it when it hit him in the pocket book.
Doug
.....of course, and he probably screamed the loudest whenever someone TOLD him to do something like that on a job"