I think the Bridge is Revulotionary
I know there are a lot of Dino Haters ,but the guy is obviously a genius
I know there are a lot of Dino Haters ,but the guy is obviously a genius
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Thanks for the link.
I don't know the guy but what's to hate? I'm not sure exactly what I was looking at but just seeing a circular saw with a base plate that runs true on a long rip guide is a wonderful invention. Looked very safe, accurate and efficient. I'll dedicate one of my saws to that purpose, damned tootin'.
I have a typical 9' aluminum straight edge, rip guide. It's hard to clamp, moves when clamped if pushed, flexes so that the saw base can slip under it. In general it's difficult to make a good rip with it and I'd never expect perfection.
I also have a couple of small table saws which I use on trim jobs. To be honest I've been very lucky, not to lose any flesh and bone to table saws. Or an eye, as others have.
Does this guy's invention solve every problem associated with ripping? No, but then what other tool does?
I don't know the guy but what's to hate?
The EZ Challenge?
Dino is challenging people to think.
Many do and many don't... like ...Dino.
If your job is to promote dangerous and outdated ways and tools...You hate Dino.
If you spend thousands of Dollars on dangerous and outdated tools..you hate Dino??
The Bridge is Dino's answer to this:
The ez is the first ( The Best) high quality Universal guide system in the market.
The haters thoughts:
"""It has become increasingly clear over the last 3-4 years that part of certain company's business model is to attack Festool at every opportunity and every level, not just saws and guiderails. Why? While the product of that particular business competes with Festool in only one small area, guiderails, anyone that takes the leap of faith into any aspect of the Festool range will immediately begin to appreciate the systemic approach of Festool and they no longer are a potential customer for you know who. Part of the irony is the minions need to the sing the praises of a third-party product, Hilti, in order to make their case. Every now and then someone posts a rumor about EZ coming out with their own saw that will blow the doors off everything. What a croc. The manufacture of even a cheesy power tool is several orders of magnitude more difficult than a guiderail. To blow the doors off Festool would be a Manhattan project. Not in our lifetimes, guys."""
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We are the target of a guerrilla marketing campaign. The purpose of this campaign is to spread FUD - fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Is this paranoia? Nope. It's just about money.Our "esteemed" competitor is in a bad position. He doesn't have a marketing advantage. Festool as a system makes a far superior solution. If you want the good stuff, Festool is the game. OTOH, if you want to save money, an inexpensive saw plus an inexpensive guide rail from Hartville tool is the best alternative. (That's the opinion of Fine Homebuilding, not me.) So what does he do? He mounts a pathetic marketing campaign to discredit Festool. He sends his marketers over here with silly marketing messages to slam Festool. A key part of that strategy is to pump up a competing saw like the Hilti. OK, it's a pretty good saw. But as part of a complete solution it's fair at best. As an inexpensive alternative, it doesn't make itWhat they are doing is what all high pressure salesmen do when hyping a product which is inferior - they pump the downsides of our product and the upsides of their product. They say, it's cheaper, better, and more flexible. Unfortunately, when you closely examine their arguments, you find that they really mean "It's cheaper OR better OR more flexible!" Everything is out of context... Unfortunately for these characters, Festoolians are a rather intelligent bunch. If you are into Festool, your analytical capacity is much higher than most. You don't accept the "common wisdom". You define your needs, evaluate the alternatives carefully, and go your own way regardless of what others say or do. Even if you buy his stuff, you do it for your reasons not his. Your "bull$hit meter is finely tuned to detect this kind of marketing silliness. That said...I can't speak for everyone, but I believe that our strong emotional reactions to this garbage are based on his disrespect. He keeps spewing out garbage and expects me to swallow it. His marketing methods are insulting! He thinks I'm STUPID! It is an insult to my intelligence for him to treat me this way! So in that vein, I extend my right middle finger to our esteemed competitor and say "#$%^ you and the horse you rode in on!"Now I feel better.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The second post was from the Festool owners forum moderator.
I think we have a "peer pressure war"...to hate Dino.
david
PS
If you see people with Green hats jumping off Bridges... Hate Dino.
Whoa...wuzzup wid dhat? Glad I live in the boonies.
Now that post has me laughing.
Bet one or two fo theose guys might have just discovered how badly they judged the quality and $ they spent on their favorite brand and are needing to cover their embarrasment. ""Unfortunately for these characters, Festoolians are a rather intelligent bunch. If you are into Festool, your analytical capacity is much higher than most. You don't accept the "common wisdom". You define your needs, evaluate the alternatives carefully, and go your own way regardless of what others say or do. Even if you buy his stuff, you do it for your reasons not his. "" That has me roflmao!
Edited 3/29/2007 9:35 pm by dovetail97128
nah, what's to hate about Dino and some of his supporters is that they never have the ability to shut the hell up.
as soon as someone asks about a Festool saw you guys jump in and ralley the troops to overtly pressure his products.
nah, what's to hate about Dino and some of his supporters is that they never have the ability to shut the hell up.
as soon as someone asks about a Festool saw you guys jump in and ralley the troops to overtly pressure his products.
..and to except statements such as:
I can't imagine anything better?
Festool users can talk about F-Superiority and call us minions?
david.
I didn't say that was right either. Fanatacs on both sides of the fence.
What irritates me about Dino and Burt and others like them is that they can't drop it. They have to keep pushing.
I'm sure there are Festool nuts that are the same, I wouldn't like that either.
Different strokes for different folks and all.
I've seen more then a couple discussions around here where the poster says outright he is not interested in the EZ system and the fanatics keep pushing it.
Dino might be the greatest guy in the world, his high pressure sales tactics put a lot of people off.
That's what's irritating.
to me anyway.
I understand.
Do you like the Bridge?
david
OK so someone urinated in somebodys cheerios (sorry cheerios). Must be the slow season!
I'm still trying to fugure out what the "bridge" is!
seriously.
I see a dino-deal across some supports.
what's the big deal?
I'm missing something here.
I can still lay my site made "zero clearance" shoot board across some saw horses and get much the same effect.
is it a "bridge" because it's over some horses ...
or is it a "bridge" because the supports go up and down?
at first ... I thought the "bridge" was a dino-deal rigged for quick cross cutting ...
was surprised to see a vid of ripping.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
what's the big deal?
No big deal. Just another tool that made cutting ,routing,milling safe and easy,fast and accurate, portable and affordable.
I'm missing something here.
Versatility by Simplicity?
I can still lay my site made "zero clearance" shoot board across some saw horses and get much the same effect.
But you still have a "guide system" and a tablesaw.
The Bridge combines both and more.
No measuring...no lifting of the saw with each cut...no lifting of the shooting board...no clamping...no chipping... no large trucks...no big shops...
is it a "bridge" because it's over some horses ...
or is it a "bridge" because the supports go up and down?
Both and more. The Bridge on the link (B-100 / The Spartan) is the #1.
To learn more about the EZ Bridges, search eurekazone at youtube.com
at first ... I thought the "bridge" was a dino-deal rigged for quick cross cutting ...
was surprised to see a vid of ripping.
This one is ez-cool.
A small tapered cut and a matching tapered dado.
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBGzoQGfUNg
david.
ok ... yer gonna have to type slow for me and maybe switch to a crayon.
I'm still lost.
one basic question ...
what exactly is called "the bridge".
in that vid ... I saw an EZ rail laying across 2 supports. Each support had some fancy hardware and moved up and down.
is "the bridge" ... the act of laying the EZ rail across 2 supports ... any supports.
or ... is "the bridge" ... the fancy supports themselves?
like I said ... I read another thread about someone making their own "bridge" ... and it looked to be a cross cut carriage ... for a circular saw to simply ride over the material to be whacked.
he built a copy ... and it looks nothing like what I saw in that vid ... so now I am very confused. I'm not even considering the arguments for or against the thing ...
I just don't know what it is!
Thanks.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I think it is worth noting that he's not clamping the workpiece under the bridge. It looks like the he's counting on the rotation of the blade to hold the work up against the rail.
The other thing about your shooting board is that his saw has a zero clearance insert in the adapter that helps guide it on his guide. With the 0-clnc, the melamine he's cutting is chip free on both sides of the blade.
Send him an email and ask for a video doing that with a 2x4 ;-) I am pretty sure that he can't do that because there is not enough blade depth left on a 7-1/4" saw after you mount the adapter plate.
I really want one of his set ups and will be buying one in the next 6 months. Just too many other things going on right now.
FWIW j,
That of course is only true with a 7 1/4 saw. I seem to recall Dino showing pics of saws up to and including a Bigfoot mounted on the SmartGuide. Every tool has limitations... but the SmartGuide has a lot fewer limitations than most (including Brand F).PaulB
As I understand it the bridge is the EZ rail attached to two brackets that allow it to raise up to move the workpiece and then the assembly clamps or locks down for the cut. Looking at it from the side it is like a hinged parallelogram (sp). Do not think it is just the rotation holding it, there is a reasonable amount of weight with the saw and rail and it looks like the new hardware pulls it down too.
Depending on which 7 1/4" saw you have you can cut a 2x4 (1 1/2"). Most will not, Hilti 267, several Makitas, will.
But do not pay any attention to me, I am a member of the cult, kool-aid picture is full. (;-)
I think it is worth noting that he's not clamping the workpiece under the bridge. It looks like the he's counting on the rotation of the blade to hold the work up against the rail.
The antisplintering edges are flexable. The weight of the rail and saw applying the clamping pressure . The blade rotation helps. The blade lifts the wood against the flex edges. Perfect clamping without clamps.
Send him an email and ask for a video doing that with a 2x4 ;-) I am pretty sure that he can't do that because there is not enough blade depth left on a 7-1/4" saw after you mount the adapter plate.
I think some of the 7-1/4" saws on the ez cut thru a 2x. Some Makitas-Dewalts-Bosch-Hitachi-Ridgid-Hilti E267.
david
I have the ez system and after using a similar guide rail/saw sled system from Progripper - which cost me probably about $200 for a 30"/60"/100" setup - I can honestly say the Ez rails system is much better and allows for much better cutting of melamine board materials.However - it will not ever replace my Bosch table saw for me. And this Bidge deal - Jeff is right! I can't really figure out exactly what the setup is and what it intends to do.Those videos are a joke - they show someone cutting a bunch crap shims 1/187" thick and say see! Look how great this is...Seriously though - they need to get some better promo materials out there. And the web site is crap as well in terms of trying to figure out the system componants.I spent $500 with Dino last year getting a setup and have been trying to get an itemized invoice from him since with no luck.I like the basic rails but don't care for the crazy "Repeater" setup - seems like there's too much play at the stops that would allow inconsistant cuts. Too big and bulky for my uses - Dino said I could return it at any time for refund or credit.I'd much rather have a Festool setup - but the Ez allows for sheet goods cutting with Ease and was only $160 or so.The smart table setup which consists of sliding plastic channels that you mount to a 2'x4' sheet of plywood to make an expandable cutting table on a set of saw horses is a great idea and really works great in every day practice.The square that you attach to the guid rails for no clamping square saw cuts is worth the money as well.I saw someone said that they were going to sell their miter saw cause of one of the "Bridge" setups - what a load of crap - who could believe that one of those bridge setups could ever be as simple and easy as a miter saw?They haven't turned me off yet - but Burt's posts are annoying at times.Those utube videos could use some serious help.JT
I saw someone said that they were going to sell their miter saw cause of one of the "Bridge" setups - what a load of crap - who could believe that one of those bridge setups could ever be as simple and easy as a miter saw?
Julian.
Simple and easy some times is dangerous, limited. heavy and not good enough for Burt.
If you connect a miter gauge to the table, under the Bridge, you have accuracy because the wood and miter gauge don't move.
Trying to hold a large crown molding steady and make a perfect cut is not so easy and some times dangerous.
The Bridge on the other hand offers unlimited cross rip and miter capacity.
You need to see all the videos to get a better idea about the Bridge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZScA15bl-A
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=eurekazone
david
Edited 3/31/2007 12:21 am ET by davidwood
Edited 3/31/2007 12:24 am ET by davidwood
Ok,Looks like he's got a few better videos than the first one's he was touting a few weeks (months?) back regarding the bridge setup.But I've not seen any video that shows the bridge setup being effective used as a (better) replacement for a miter saw.I'll admit that there are times that you do make some cuts with a miter saw which can get a bit iffy safety-wise, but those situations are probably 3% of the overall uses. It's not like comparing the ez to a table saw where you are closer to 90% of the time you are performing an act which is potentially dangerous.Don't get me wrong - I'm an EZ user. I'm just not an EZ promoter. I have to return the cabinet maker repeater set anyways, so I may use the credit towards a bridge or a router sled, etc.JT
I agree that it will not replace my mitre saws but it does give capacity larger than even the biggest slider or radial arm.
I haven't seen a good video yet that really showed it it other than for ripping.Is the miterguage a EZ built in? Or are they just holding a miter guage to the wood in relation to the fence.Like I said - I'm already an EZ user, so they're preaching to the choir with me.Once I get a better handle on the way it's structured and the componants and cost - may get one just cause I'm halfway there anyways.I'll continue to cut my crown and base on my Dewalt slider though.JT
I do not think Dino has shown one. Burt has a picture of his setup (smaller scale version). Cut slot in table and put mitre guage in track. This slide show also shows the bridge concept rather well! And no kool aid was spilled. (;-)
http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=drgivcf.bo63ly9j&Uy=-qs5q8e&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1
Edited 3/31/2007 12:07 pm ET by rasconc
Talking about miters.
http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?p=558557#post558557
david.
Hey guys - the miter saw is available - Makita LS1212 - about 3 years old - good condition - $275 - will not ship. Primary use was in the shop to cut cabinet parts - about a kitchen per month. It is being replaced by an EZ Smart bridge set and the EZ Square - depending on the task at hand.
The bridge setup is the best tool that I have ever owned. Nothing is so flexible. Nothing does so much. Nothing does it so safely.
I've been called a promoter and some other names that weren't nearly as nice. Above all else in the world of EZ Smart I am a satisified customer. I discovered EZ Smart while I was in the going thru some health challanges - surgery for cancer, heart valve repair and by passes. Also I hit 60 on Monday. It is an easier way to do things. Using a version of the bridge, we cut time spent cutting plywood for the latest kitchen by 30 percent. To me it is a lot easier to put a sheet of plywood on a table and remove cabinet parts than it is to put plywood thru a cabinet saw - I have a 5 horse unisaw with a 52" unisaw fence that sets idle while we use the EZ System. - Yes, I'll be selling it soon. It takes a little while to get the EZ fully implemented into a commerical setting. When push comes to shove and the job has to move, you go with what you are accustomed to doing. You learn the new system as time permits.
Burt
Hope you did not think I was taking you to task. I am on the EZ side. Kidding about the kool-aide but believe in the product. For a lot of what I do I can not see the EZ line replacing the mitre saws. For a lot of other things it rocks. A lot of my use is basically chopsaw use on site. My DW 705 seems easier for alot of this.
Bob (Robert Smith 656 on SMC-ez)
Bob,
At this point, I'm not ready to do all that I do without a miter saw. Until I at least learn the multiple setting angles used for setting compound miters I will keep a miter saw for crown installlation. The Slider that I have in the shop was used for cutting for wall cabinets - ends, shelves, etc to length, Cutting pieces for glue-up of door panels, cutting parts for door frames and face frames and similiar tasks. I have found that the bridge is doing a better job in these areas. I have one that will handle a 54" cross cut.
I have a dw 706 that I use for crown installation.
The EZ tools are like any other in that you choose which is best for your use. As I've said before, I bought the EZ set just to break down plywood. Now it is slowly taking over the shop.
I could tell by your writing that you were on the EZ side of this issue.
If you are in the Sumter area, stop in and I'll show you what we're up to with the EZ equipment in my shop.
Burt
I'd still like to know ...
what exactly "the bridge" is!
specifically.
not what "it" can do ... just what the hell is it!
I know I must sound dumb as a stump here ... but I am 100% serious.
I have no freaking idea what U kids are trying to sell me.
btw ... I've met Dino at a Fest or two and he's as nice a guy as they come.
This is no dig ... I truely have no idea what "the bridge" ...
is ... or bridges.
Thanks,
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Jeff,
I'll try to explain it to you by talking about the concept a little and how it works.
The concept (Now this from Burt - not official Eurakazone) Is to suspend a rail above a cutting surface, put a board in place to be cut, lower the rail onto the board and do your cut. The combination of the weight of the rail and the saw will hold the board in place so no clamping is necessary. Example: Saturday morning a good friend stopped by the shop - like you he had never heard of the bridge. I raised the rail, put a piece of 5/16" x 3/4" red oak about 15" long under the edge of the rail (the 5/16" direction was being ripped). Saw was a Makita 5007 with the original equipment (24 tooth blade. He did the rip - just held the saw and pushed - the plastic edge of the rail was all that held the oak - it wasn't against anything at the end. He got a nice clean rip.
Also this allows the same rail and table to be used for both ripping and crosscutting - Stops can be set parallel to the rail for ripping and at 90 degrees to the rail for cross cutting.
Back to what is the bridge - As Dino will be selling the bridge - the bridge is the support brackets that hold the guide rail. In my opinion, the bridge is actually a combination of the support brackets and the guide rail. Also the bridge could be considered as the "concept" in general. See why on one else would try to give you a straight answer?
I believe that Dino is making the brackets from UHMW. I've made them out of UHMW and I have also used baltic birch.
And Jeff, if that didn't answer your question, I'll try again.
Burt
Edited 4/1/2007 2:03 am ET by Burts
Edited 4/1/2007 2:06 am ET by Burts
best answer I've gotten.
Thanks
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Brother man...I have all the goodies from Dino, but truth be told..it can't help me replace a disposable HF Sliding chopsaw up there on the scaffold..I bought a 99.oo saw, and sometimes remember to cover it with a bucket or a wally bag..other than that, I do cut out some shheet goods in my own home.
This whole debate, is about Trade specific use..I can't imagine toting that set up on a boom lift, at 60' extension, with wind.
I snap a line, I rip, and I bet I can nail a 1/16th of an inch from straight on..or better.
I have been working in sheet copper, it deforms, it don't like dull snips, nor inventive ways to cut it cleanly..you are at the mercy of the material..MDF for a shop situ. it is the deal, site work , like I do...........?????????it is useless.
Btw..yer a .........nah, I can't say it out loud..love ya , ya putz.Parolee # 40835
you are at the mercy of the material..MDF for a shop situ. it is the deal, site work , like I do...........?????????it is useless.
Most of us are not working 20 -30 - 40 feet in the air.
I use my EZ at work all the time but of course I'm standing on tera-firma!
Doug
Thanks, will keep it in mind. Was is Columbia for Kansas USC basketball game but on very tight schedule. My kids and g'kids live in Augusta, might run over some time.
It is a shame that some of these folks take the enthusiasm for the equipment and think it is being rammed down their throats. I look at it as trying to make sure all available info is presented for an informed decision.
Bob
Bob,
We've all been conditioned to believe that if something sounds like it is to good to be true, it is worthless. The EZ smart is one of those things that is really as good as it sounds and that is hard for most people to believe. I know that I passed up the EZ System the first time I looked at it - it just couldn't do all of that.
Many people on these forums think that I am a paid employee of EZ Smart. I've never received a cent from EZ Smart and I can show you receipts on where my tools come from. Like you, I support what I believe in.
Burt
You guys have got me all confused. I saw the title and was thinking about this
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wow !... where is that one ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
It's the Millau bridge, highest piers and bridge structure in the world, ~1000 ft at topmost point of the masts. Crosses the River Tarn in southern France, about 2.5 km long.
millau bridge
>>> Dino might be the greatest guy in the world, his high pressure sales tactics put a lot of people off.
That's what's irritating. to me anyway.
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>>> Dino might be the greatest guy in the world, his high pressure sales tactics put a lot of people off.
That's what's irritating. to me anyway
...But we don't have any records of Dino's high pressure sales tactics.
david
unhunh...
That's why he's pretty much been black listed from here and JLC?
I am astounded at the attacks on Festool owners.I own a bunch of their stuff and have been very happy with them.The less expensive EZ stuff in no way causes any regrets about my choices.Although it's an obvious ripoff of the basic concept of the Festo rail system and the safety it offers vs. using a table saw, it's a viable alternative for folks who need such a setup.What irritates me is the incessant plugging of this stuff and the baiting of Festool owners as if we feel bad about paying so much for the tools.And for the record, I don't recall a thread discussing Festools where there was any tone of smugness or arrogance.
The stuff works and yes, they are expensive.
But owning them doesn't make someone a snob any more than buying a Fein vaccuum instead of less expensive brand.
ahneed.... what is this if it isn't smugness ?.....
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Although it's an obvious ripoff of the basic concept of the Festo rail system and the safety it offers vs. using a table saw, it's a viable alternative for folks who need such a setup.>>>>>>
what do you base that statement on ?... sounds pretty smug to meMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I agree with you Mike.
Both are improvements on separate saw guides that have been available for many years (and home built before that).
I am astounded at the attacks on Festool owners.
I own a bunch of their stuff and have been very happy with them.
The less expensive EZ stuff in no way causes any regrets about my choices.
The less expensive ez smart...regrets about your choices...
Although it's an obvious ripoff of the basic concept of the Festo rail system
... to this point, you're correct.
and the safety it offers vs. using a table saw, it's a viable alternative for folks who need such a setup.
Can you explaint the safety of the Festool system vs, the tablesaw?
I thought the Festool System includes a Festool tablesaw.
The real viable alterniative to the tablesaw is the "less expensive' ez smart.
What irritates me is the incessant plugging of this stuff and the baiting of Festool owners as if we feel bad about paying so much for the tools.
Why the Festool "owners" coming to this thread ...complaining for baiting?
And for the record, I don't recall a thread discussing Festools where there was any tone of smugness or arrogance.The stuff works and yes, they are expensive.
This is smart marketeing. "The stuff works and yes, they are expensive."
You must think that some of us are slow or something.
From another festool "user"
"""It has become increasingly clear over the last 3-4 years that part of certain company's business model is to attack Festool at every opportunity and every level, not just saws and guiderails. Why? While the product of that particular business competes with Festool in only one small area, guiderails, anyone that takes the leap of faith into any aspect of the Festool range will immediately begin to appreciate the systemic approach of Festool and they no longer are a potential customer for you know who. Part of the irony is the minions need to the sing the praises of a third-party product, Hilti, in order to make their case. Every now and then someone posts a rumor about EZ coming out with their own saw that will blow the doors off everything. What a croc. The manufacture of even a cheesy power tool is several orders of magnitude more difficult than a guiderail. To blow the doors off Festool would be a Manhattan project. Not in our lifetimes, guys."""
But owning them doesn't make someone a snob any more than buying a Fein vaccuum instead of less expensive brand.
Nice try. I can see why "some people" hate Dino.
david
ps
Do you like the Bridge?
too bad ...
all that fancy typing and it sounds like ya don't knbow what the festool is.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Learning every day.
david
not a tablesaw.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
...and not an ez or a Bridge.
Great marketing, service and support.
david.
c'mon Jeff...
you of all people should know...You don't need to know what you are talking about to argue on the internet...;)I don't Know what I am doing
But
I am VERY good at it!!
yer right ...
what was I thinking?
maybe this is a bad time to mention that I have neither the Festool or the EZ ...
but do have plans for the Festool set up in a coupla months.
anyone can make a straight piece of aluminum ... I want a better saw along with it.
only thing that bug's me about their system ... those stupid boxes.
they're freaking square boxes ... no need for a fancy name.
wow ... they "stack" ... what? those people never been to a beer distributor?
cardboard stacks too ... no fancy names there ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I gotta agree with you ther. I would have a hard time bringing myself to call a box of sandpaper a systainer of sandpaper. Silly.
although. . .
there might be an argument for calling a cardboard box full of beer a systainer.
if you call them "Systainers" you get to charge 100$$
for 5 $ worth of plasticI don't Know what I am doing
But
I am VERY good at it!!
i love you guys...
so what'll it be tonight ?
fords vs. chevy's
Tyvek vs. felt
or..
do ya wanna do some more EZ vs. Festool ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
just watching the evening news... they closed with a piece about a coyote walking into a starbucks in downtown Chicago..
showed him sitting in the milk cooler..
kept waiting for the punchlineMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
maybe getting juiced to chase the roadrunner?
any boxes from acme in the background?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
i bet we could get a good arguement errr... discussion going over pickin boogers vs. blowin yer nose...I don't Know what I am doing
But
I am VERY good at it!!
anyone can make a straight piece of aluminum ...
Jeff.
1000 extrusion factories can make straight extrusions.
If you think that the ez system is just another straight piece of aluminum...
You may like to read this:
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Hey, wanted to register and point out that I was quoted in the article as well. I'm the hobbyist and hardcore DIYer.After nearly destroying a $100 sheet of mahogany ply for my first project, a desk, by using an off the shelf straight edge guide from a retail giant I immediately began searching for a solution online and eventually tracked down the EZ system. ALL I was asking for was a straight and perpendicular cut line while breaking down sheet goods. Upon setting it up I realized I had something that amounted to much more.I actually detailed it much better in other parts of that thread, but my ultimate point was that I wish somebody would have brought up this tool when I began getting into woodworking a year and a half ago. The ease and precision and flexibility really points to this being a tool with a lot of experience and thought behind it.I actually just sold my cabinet saw and a bunch of accessories and have reclaimed a lot of money and space from my shop. The irony is that I bought the Smart Guide in part to build an outfeed table for my table saw.
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From the SMC-ez forum.
http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=55467
david
Edited 4/6/2007 11:26 pm ET by davidwood
a DIY'er was afraid of his table saw ...
what's your point?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
The guy above sold his tablesaw and the guy bellow (a pro) found a solution.
Guys,We're coming to the end of a large basement project. One small area developed into an interesting recess due to earlier framing parameters for a water meter closet, foundation contour and bath framing. The recess deserves something nice that won't cost much. In the past, that would have meant maybe a trimmed out panel or a mediocre prefabed nook, neither being very spectacular.This evening, however, after a few quick earlier measurements of the space, I made the parts for a decorative and functional shelving unit. The customers love the idea. It took about 2 hours, at home, while I was being constantly interrupted by my kids who wanted me to throw them a few pitches now that baseball season has started. I made a deal with them trading time for throws with time for cuts. I used a PC 325 and a 3 hp Dewalt router on the SRK. It was simple. A year ago, the shelving unit wouldn't have even occured to me because we would have had to outsource it and wait forever only to over pay.The most important thing I learned this evening is that my kids are getting older and the ball now comes back at me off the bat a lot faster than I can pitch it.
http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=55501
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Burt reported 30% time savings on cabinet jobs.
Many other pros are reporting similar results. Here is a flooring contractor.
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Originally Posted by tracy thibodeau
I was clamping each piece to the rails one clamp per end, it went failly quick, about 20min. per piece. probably twice as fast as useing the table saw and twice as acurate.After getting everyones input, i think i found a faster way, i would explain but it would take me a month to type, hpofully i can post a picture up.http://www.flickr.com/photos/25171117@N00/419615136/http://www.flickr.com/photos/25171117@N00/419615129/hope this works
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david
'Would you like to comment?'
yeah, it's not fair, the guy's got a concrete floor and paved driveway to play in.
Parolee # 53804
Edited 4/7/2007 11:00 am ET by rez
Ya see Dave ...
this is why people hate you guys.
always trying to sell someone something they ain't buying.
so what .. some idiot can't figure how to cut boards for build in shelves?
what's that prove aside from the fact the guy's an idiot?
I got a tip for ya ...
pencil ... a sharp one ...
something straight ... or a chalk line ...
and a circular saw.
there's yer inpossible to build shelving unit.
while a straight edge is nice to have around ...
with practice ... most carpenters can cut a straight line with nothing other than a circular saw.
It was simple. A year ago, the shelving unit wouldn't have even occured to me because we would have had to outsource it and wait forever only to over pay.
yeah .. a real "Pro" there ....
outsource cutting a freaking board ....
Now I'm gonna speed up the purchase of the Festool just to piss U all off!
and I don't even need a straight edge!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Don't be so sure about that Jeff.
You're trying so hard ...not to think and now you found the easy answer.
this is why people hate you guys
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always trying to sell someone something they ain't buying.
Nobody is trying to sell you anything. You're trying so hard to downgrade a system to a shootingboard and now complaining about it.
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so what .. some idiot can't figure how to cut boards for build in shelves?
what's that prove aside from the fact the guy's an idiot?
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After all that and you're starting the name calling??? I think that your intention was just that. To come in and attack anyone who trhinks different than you.
Read this thread started by the Idiot.
http://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=52143
I've attached pictures of one of the most helpful little EZ tasks yet.I mis-measured shelf depths by about 3/16" large. When dry-fitting in dados in sides and back, they stuck out but we were in a huge rush. I decided to glue them and come up with an EZ solution later.I ended up placing 2 rails on the face of the verticals, one on either side of the shelf and paralell to the shelf. I then pulled the router off the SRK arm and installed a sharp straight bit (Freud 1"). I placed the router on the rails and zeroed the bit with the vertical sides of the shelf unit. I then ran the router over the shelf and ended up with shelves and sides in exactly the same plane ready for face frames.After the experience, I believe that fitting shelves a little large at the face and fixing them later is much more accurate, much easier and much faster. I was thinking of starting a thread called something like, "My Dopey Bridge Aint So Dopey."It's the little things that make EZ so great.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now I'm gonna speed up the purchase of the Festool just to piss U all off!
and I don't even need a straight edge!
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If you think of festool as a straight edge ....and you don't even need one... why buy one? anyone can make a straight piece of aluminum.
david.
Edited 4/8/2007 9:12 am ET by davidwood
Can't we all just get along!Festool, EZ, and shooting boards all have their place in the tool universe. Nothing wrong with any of them.I don't understand any of the hype.
I agree with you.
The problem is that each tool is different and with unique features.
I have no clue why we even talk about shootingboards and Festool on this thread.
This thread was about the Bridge.
A new invention-tool-new design shootingboard? but nothing similar to Festool.
Imagine ez users going into Domino threads and trying to convert others to the SRK.
Even if the SRK is 100 times more versatile that the Domino...
there is no comparison to be made. The Domino is a different tool.
Same with the ez and Festool systems.
Not shootingboards and not the same systems.
david
Ok now, let's be serious.The EZ guide rail system is very similar to the Festool system. In it's basic form, they are both guide rail systems. Obviously, you guys have figured out a bunch of newfangled uses and setups, but that doesn't change the fact of what it is.Saying that you'd sooner compare the Domino to the SRK router sled is absurd. And of course you couldn't help throwing in the whole "100 times more versatile..."You'd be better off comparing the Domino to the Leigh FMT mortiser - that would be a much better comparison.Can you imagine the setup times and working times of assembling a small table with the Domino compared to using a router sled for the M&T work? Apple and oranges.When I got my EZ setup, I must of missed out on the fancy koolaid pack that came with it.Next thing you'll tell us is that the Ez system is better than a dedicated lathe and can be set up to do all of your Decking screw driving better than a screw gun. When's the EZ drill press getting invented?...Every post is more propaganda and to back it up - a few posts by more believers and a few movies that are as cloudy as your rhetoric.I'm already an EZ customer, but this stuff you and Burt spout comes close to sounding almost cult-like. Don't get me wrong, I may get an SRK and the Bridge setup to go with my EZ rails, but all of the EZ staff and pushers could use some good basic PR lesson's.JT
kind of sound like one of those infomercials.... Roncco comes to mind...
"BUT WAIT THERE"S MORE!!!"
"BUT WAIT THERE"S MORE!!!"....... Imagination???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAkWQjVL-Rw
Imagine if we stop dreaming and inventing?
david.
Edited 4/9/2007 9:00 pm ET by davidwood
To come in and attack anyone who trhinks different than you.
get a grip.
I asked what "the bridge" is ...
if it was "the part that goes across" ...
or "the part that supports" what goes across.
no one answered btw ...
now ... pretty sure I don't care.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Jeff.
"Anyone can make a straight edge"
Give some credit to this guy. He just made woodworking safe for once.
Ans easy and accurate and affordable and portable....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMvynCo8c4
I know that "some of us" don't need a straight edge.
david
Edited 4/9/2007 7:47 pm ET by davidwood
Dave ...
I was done 3 ... maybe 4 posts ago.
let it go dude.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I've seen more then a couple discussions around here where the poster says outright he is not interested in the EZ system and the fanatics keep pushing it.
Dino might be the greatest guy in the world, his high pressure sales tactics put a lot of people off.
That's what's irritating.
to me anyway.
Show me one thread that supports your statement.
Here, JLC or any other forum.
david.
You know as well as I do most of them have been deleted here, I'm not sure if JLC deletes them as well.
The last one I recall was a few months ago. I believe you were part of it, short term memory problems are do you prefer to just skew reality in your mind?
Ive got a ez I like it I like Dino I don't dislike festool I don't dislike those that use itother than wanting to see Dino stay in business so he can keep innovating and supply me with support I could care less what anyone else uses .(maybe theres a untapped market here for Calvin peeing on ez / festool truck stickers )
got a pic?
Parolee # 53804
YOU got all the pics of peeps coming outta the porta pee @ Calvins!To bad Cal got to use the house..THIS IS A JOB FOR:PHOTO-SHOP-MAN!!!DA-TA DA-DAHHH!!!I don't Know what I am doing
But
I am VERY good at it!!
Some may have thought he was talking about Calvin here on BT. Around here you see the little white cutout stickers with Calvin ( Calvin and Hobbes cartoon character) hosing the logo of whichever brand car/truck you dislike. The state of SC was going to make it a fineable offence. I think they recut them making it look like a garden hose providing the water.
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Parolee # 53804
Cool, I figured you knew the score but was afraid some might get wrong impression.
Bob
I remember the thread.
First time poster from Germany?
The ez is just a guide...
david
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=87332.1
Somebody here hates Dino?
Where are they? I'll run them off!
Welcome to the
Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime.
where ...
Excellence is its own reward!
I don't think they are on this side of the fence so much as the lifted pinkie side...PaulB
http://www.finecontracting.com
I'm thinking I'll wait a couple years before I buy anything more from Dino.
By then I should be able to sit on the other side of the room and watch the saw cut by itself.
be no shid
I never had a problem with character,
people've been telling me I was one ever since I was a kid.
You'll probably still have to point.
Joe H
Interesting how that thing clamps the work. Nice rips too.
Having followed the 'controversies', read the threads, and seen the videos to do with the EZ product line, I've concluded that the marketing ought to be left to a professional.
Seldom does an inventor - no matter how clever - also have the skills and knowledge to effectively market his product. Or mass produce and distribute it for that matter.
Dino is up against a well financed company. Either he finds a backer, or Festool will wear him down and out. He needs real visibility in the marketplace.
I've been reading these Dino / Festool threads for a while now thinking that I'll get one or the other at some point.
It looks to me as if both tools will do the job without problems.
Dino has a solution that has you bring your favorite saw/router/cutting tool and connect it to his rail system.
Festool has a monolithic system.
They both work!
There is room in the marketplace for both!
One of the reasons I moved over to Breaktime from Knots is that I got tired of the fights over "This tool manufacturer sold me a POS and I'm going to scream it from every watchtower for the rest of my life".
I don't see any of the players in this game getting into big fights over different brands of sidewinders that are on the market.
prosecho.
The latest from the making of the bridge...with a shootingboard.
an X-Y and auto plunge shootingboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jW2CSATdRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpR6PqC6uQ&mode=related&search=
david
Edited 4/8/2007 9:40 am ET by davidwood