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Insulating a concrete block building

ARServices | Posted in Energy, Heating & Insulation on January 1, 2009 03:44am

I’m wondering about ideas for insulating a concrete block building I own, to turn it into a small home. It’s a two story, 800 sg. ft. garage at this point. Should I be thinking about putting the insulation envelope on the outside of the block, to take advantage of all that mass of the blocks being on the inside of the insulation? The downside would be all the detailing needed to ensure a good design at the eaves, footer, windows, etc., plus the need to install some sort of siding. Or should I put the insulation envelope on the interior of the block? That option would be much easier, as well as less costly, with the downside being that thermal mass is on the exterior of the insulation.

Any ideas, comments?

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  1. Dogmeat12 | Jan 01, 2009 04:09am | #1

    What part of the country are you in?

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    xxPaulCPxx | Jan 01, 2009 05:23am | #2

    Fill out your profile with your location.  Best building practices vary WIDELY across the climates of this country - and all the other ones of the international poster here!

    Tu stultus es
    Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
    Also a CRX fanatic!

    Look, just send me to my drawer.  This whole talking-to-you thing is like double punishment.

  3. ARServices | Jan 01, 2009 06:21pm | #3

    This building is located in upstate New York.

  4. Riversong | Jan 01, 2009 08:49pm | #4

    If you want to take advantage of the mass effect, then the insulation needs to be on the outside.

    A block wall needs to be waterproofed, so some kind of weather barrier, whether siding or stucco, is necessary anyway.

     
    Riversong HouseWright
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    Solar & Super-Insulated Healthy Homes
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    CaptainMayhem | Jan 01, 2009 10:32pm | #5

    Over the span of a few years you'd probably make your money back by insulating both sides I would think...Foam and siding outside and a frame w/fiberglass, VB, & sheetrock on the inside...

    All I ever wanted in life was an unfair advantage...

    1. Riversong | Jan 01, 2009 10:46pm | #6

      Over the span of a few years you'd probably make your money back by insulating both sides I would think...Foam and siding outside and a frame w/fiberglass, VB, & sheetrock on the inside...

      Don't put a vapor barrier on the inside of an insulated framed wall interior to a block (or concrete) wall, particularly with foam exterior insulation. This will trap the moisture that wicks up the blocks (or that is already contained in the block) and cause mold and rot problems. 

      Riversong HouseWright

      Design *  * Build *  * Renovate *  * ConsultSolar & Super-Insulated Healthy Homes

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    rjw | Jan 02, 2009 12:13am | #7

    EIFS - aka synthetic stucco.

    This is what the product was originally developed for.


    "Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."

    Howard Thurman

    1. MikeSmith | Jan 02, 2009 04:38am | #8

      ar....
      cement block bldg ?does it have a concrete floor ? what are your plans for the floor ?
      tell me dat and i'll tell you how i'd do itMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

      1. ARServices | Jan 02, 2009 06:24am | #9

        It's a concrete floor. Removing it and redoing it with in-floor radiant heat seems appealing.

        1. MikeSmith | Jan 02, 2009 07:17am | #10

          good answer...

           

          jack hammer the slab....  excavate, grade, & compact to provide 4" of  Performguard eps....   spec a density of 2 lb/cf

          use a two inch  thermal slab break against the wall

           use a pt  shoe and stud the interior wall...  i'd denspak it w/ cells.... your choice.... 2x4  or 2x4 mooney

          on the exterior   i'd fasten  1x3 PT furring vertically use a bronze screen at the bottom  to keep the  bugs out,

           and 3/4 pt trim blocking....  my trim would be Miratec  and my siding would be  Fc clapboards

          reconfigure  your rakes and cornices so you get  nice overhangs

          with all this work , i'd  replace the windows too

          depending on budget, either vinyl replacements, or  say custom sized  andersen Woodwrights

          you can recut your rough openings if you have to

          this would be a great  opportunity for 1st floor rfh

          and you could do  staple-up rfh for the 2d floor

          could be a great, energy efficient home..... good luckMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

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