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is all cellulose the same?

RedfordHenry | Posted in Energy, Heating & Insulation on October 10, 2009 02:34am

Are all brands of cellulose pretty much the same in terms of raw material content?  Are they all treated with borates?  I was reading the packaging recently at a big box and it didn’t mention anything about being treated. 

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  1. rez | Oct 17, 2009 08:37pm | #1

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  2. DanH | Oct 17, 2009 08:40pm | #2

    Does the packaging state that the insulation meets, say, some ASTM standard? If so, you can look up the standard and see what it says about treating. (If there's no statement as to standards or testing, OTOH, I'd be a little reluctant to use the stuff, not that I looked at the packages they blew into our attic a couple of years ago.)

    As I stood before the gates I realized that I never want to be as certain about anything as were the people who built this place. --Rabbi Sheila Peltz, on her visit to Auschwitz
  3. renosteinke | Oct 17, 2009 08:44pm | #3

    I would not assume any similarity at all.

    "Cellulose" is a type of material, not any speciffic material at all. While it usually refers to paper-based insulation, that material could be from nearly any sort of plant material, either new or recycled. Cotton seeds and corn cobs have both been used as 'cellulose-based' insulation ... you can see how they differ from each other greatly.

    Likewise, "borates" are a family of salts. They are usually added to provide some fire resistance. What kind, how much, and how applied have a tremendous influence in how well they perform.

    Other compounds may be added to resist mildew and mold.

    What it comes down to is: Look for the UL lable. That's at least a minor assurance that there is some manner of quality control.

    1. DanH | Oct 17, 2009 08:51pm | #4

      The UL label only assures that it won't catch fire or electrocute you. You'd want to see a standard reference from ASTM or some industry organization to be reasonably confident that it's properly bug-proofed and attains the stated insulating effectiveness.
      As I stood before the gates I realized that I never want to be as certain about anything as were the people who built this place. --Rabbi Sheila Peltz, on her visit to Auschwitz

      1. renosteinke | Oct 17, 2009 09:13pm | #5

        True enough .... but I'd have to add that if the company has it's act together to survive the regular UL testing of samples drawn by the UL rep, and tested at UL's facilities, and otherwise has it's documentation in order ... they probably got the rest of it right as well.

        This would be by contrast to some non-listed no-name product, where even the guys on the shop floor have no idea what's in the bag.

        1. DanH | Oct 17, 2009 09:16pm | #6

          Certainly some truth to that.
          As I stood before the gates I realized that I never want to be as certain about anything as were the people who built this place. --Rabbi Sheila Peltz, on her visit to Auschwitz

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