I did a search for no-coat and got some hits, but nothing that told a lot of info.
I received a sales brochure today on no-coat DW corner bead. The brochure is glosses over the product well as you might imagine, but it doesn’t speak to real live use in the field. If you use no-coat, do you like it? How much more expensive is it? Should it only be used for “problem” area whatever they may be, or is it just as well to use it on any corner? I also heard it can be used for inside corners?? Not sure why anyone would use it on an inside corner, but I’m looking to be educated here on it. In short, is it worth it, is it hard to work with, can it be cut easily, and what do they mean that it forms a “structural corner?” When I think “structural” I’m thinking an essential componet to keeping ones house from falling down.
Thanks for the info.
Rich
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I might also that I been using metal bead for years on my house and others peoples houses. I never once seen my metal bead crack. The website and brochure talks about metal bead as if it's an evil thing that is absolutely gonna crack. Well I haven't seen it do it with my installations, although I readily admit that I've seen cracked corners in homes, but it wasn't my work for whatever that matters. '
No coat is expensive, but if you want to finish a drywall project in a day, you can with setting compounds. Since you only have to coat the outer edges you can do both sides of a joint at the same time. It's also good for weird angles in attic remodels. The Narrow No-coat retails for $.21.ft, tg, while the wide is $.32/ft. (Those are Cincinnati prices.) If you can add it to your bid, and you're a remodeler not a pro drywall guy, it's worth it. The corners are crisp and it finishes fast...
Edited 6/30/2005 1:15 am ET by Jack
No-coat is all we've used for several years now. I would hate to go back to metal bead. I sub out all my large drywall jobs but my guys do the small ones. No=coat and setting compound make it easy for us to knock out small jobs in less than a day and still have them look nice. A 10' stick of NC costs about 50 cents more than metal but saves me more than thta just in the time it takes to coat it versus metal.
My whole house is done in No-Coat. It's the greatest thing since Braves night baseball coupled w/ noon time sex! Saved the crew that did the job great gobs of time. Tougher than a chicken fried up 5 min after being killed! Follow on crews cannot chip it, dent it or mangle it short of taking a hammer to it. My dealer had a wall done in it & kept a softball bat handy to let prospective users beat on it. I did. Couldn't resist. It is everything they say. Every corner is absolutely straight & even. Also - the walls are flatter at the corners - not as much buildup to get the bead & its metal wings covered.
Run, don't walk, to the nearest dealer & buy it!
Don,
Getting back to you late on this, but....I tried no-coat this week. I will never ever ever use metal bead again, or any cheap imitation otherwise. This no-coat product is definitely the greatest thing since sliced bread. It went up so dang easy. Not only that, I put up a 12ft piece horizontally and I got the most perfect straight corner you could get. Usually I'm fussing to get a straight corner period, horizontal or vertical. I did verticals with no-coat as well and the stuff is just amazing. No learning curve, it just naturally goes on and naturally straightens itself out as you knife it into the mud.
I"m usually a skeptic on new stuff, but this stuff is it. No coat is ultimately a timesaver, I like it, I"m sold on it, never use metal again. No way. If at first you don't succeed, try using a hammer next time...everything needs some extra persuasion from time to time. -ME
I used it on my house and really like it. While I don't do drywall on a regular basis, I could get nice crisp edges. It is easy to work with. A nice tip is to thin the mud a bit when initially setting in the corner bed.
If you want to start having fun with drywall take a look at some of the trim-tex products. I used some of the bull nose corner bead in my basement and it looks great.
Love it. Fantastic stuff!
I saw a demo of it shortly after starting to use it, and learned a lot about how to apply it.
The demo master ( It was at a JLC live in RI) used it to make an outside corner and while the mud was still weet, he asked iof we doubted that it could be sup[er strong. Then he hauled off and whacked it with a mop or broom handle - a FG one. He suprised himself when the head of the tool went flying off and onlookers were scurrying and ducking. He had broken the FG handle and never made a ding in the nocoat, or if he did, it bounced back out immediately. I looked close. There was only a dark mark where he hit - from dirt, I 'd guess.
For inside corners, When I am remodeling, sometimes a new wall intersect will leave a gap. Rather than open wall and pel back old SR to fill in with a stud or deadwood for nailer and then patch ne SR in, a gap of an inch or so can be covered with the nocoat.
I think it is too ex[pensive for everwhere used everyday. The most valuable place is with our Cape style houses where an angled cieling meets flat cieling and kneewalls. That angled joint is hard to tape straight, but with the no-coat, it is a dream! Saves its cost in labout on that joint.
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