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It does the same thing…

aimless | Posted in General Discussion on July 29, 2009 09:28am

We are sprucing up the kitchen, including painting the ply cabinets. These things are cruddy after 40 years. The biggest problem areas are the edges of the cabinet where the end grains in the barely finished ply soaked up whatever nasty oily stuff the prior owners spilled there. So even though we cleaned with tsp, sanded, and wiped with damp cloth, there are still spots that have this gunk in them.

Went to the local paint store (Kwal-Howells) and told the guy what we are doing as we are standing at the register with Zinsser primer. He holds up their store brand and says it does the same thing but costs less. So we buy it. It did manage to hold back the bleed through until I was polyurethaning a couple of days after the initial primer coat.  Father In Law recommended KILZ, so we went to home depot and got some. It went on much thicker, but still seems to be letting some stuff through.

Maybe I’ll have to go back and get the Zinsser to see if it “does the same thing” as their brand.

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  1. Hudson Valley Carpenter | Jul 29, 2009 10:53am | #1

    Shelf paper with peel off adhesive back.  Covers a multitude of old problems, can be wiped clean and it can be removed and replaced with relative ease.  Cut it to overlap the ends and run up the sides by a half inch or so.

  2. Piffin | Jul 29, 2009 01:15pm | #2

    This is one place where shellac would be a good choice for a sealer

     

     

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      aimless | Jul 29, 2009 08:56pm | #5

      Thanks for the tip. Our finish is latex topped with a coat of polyurethane. Can I put shellac under that?

      I'm surprised Frenchy hasn't chimed in on this :)

      1. Piffin | Jul 30, 2009 01:28pm | #14

        yes 

         

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    SteveInCleveland | Jul 29, 2009 03:28pm | #3

    I've had great success with their BIN primer sealer that has a shellac base......

    http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?productid=10

    Dries super fast, too. 

    Hint:  Get it tinted.

     

     

     

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      aimless | Jul 29, 2009 06:58pm | #4

      So I should have stuck to my guns and bought the Zinsser product. The only thing is the BIN primer they had was not shellac based but water based - I didn't see this one. Maybe the Sherwin Williams will have it.

      1. mike4244 | Jul 29, 2009 11:24pm | #7

        Zinnser makes both, shellac based and water based. Just buy a small can of shellac and brush it on.

        mike

    2. DonCanDo | Jul 30, 2009 04:11am | #9

      I asked about tinting BIN at my local paint store a while ago.  They told me that the tints don't mix in very well.  I assume that means that constant stirring is necessary.  Has that been your experience?

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        SteveInCleveland | Jul 30, 2009 05:28am | #10

        Hadn't really thought about it too much.  I've had no problems getting even coverage, but I do tend to keep a stir stick in the can and stir frequently if I see any separation. 

         

         

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  4. fingersandtoes | Jul 29, 2009 10:41pm | #6

    This spring I refurbished a old kitchen in a resort cabin that takes a lot of abuse. To deal with the nasty bottoms I lined them with thin gauge stainless steel that I rather inexpertly brushed with a wire wheel so it was already scratched. Another poster here  recently tiled the base cabinets of his kitchen. Both pretty drastic solutions, but permanent.

    1. alwaysoverbudget | Jul 30, 2009 02:56am | #8

      i did the interior of some cabinets with formica one time. hate to say it but it looked real good.

      was a pain to fit,finally learned to cut it a 1/8 narrow and run a small bead of caulk.the older i get ,

      the more people tick me off

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      aimless | Jul 30, 2009 06:59am | #11

      Thanks for the suggestions - we put down self-stick floor tiles on the shelves and bottoms of the cabinets. The problems are the cabinet doors where spills have gotten into the end grains, as well as the face frames where stained doors passed their stains on.

      1. fingersandtoes | Jul 30, 2009 08:11am | #13

        Sorry, completely missed that. Don't have any useful suggestions.

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    Dinosaur | Jul 30, 2009 07:09am | #12

    Pop the doors off the cabs and run a sharp low-angle plane over the end grain. You want to take off about a 16th on each edge.

    Now go buy a roll of wood edge-banding and a Freud banding trimmer, and fire up your steam iron dry (no water in it). Iron on the banding, trim, then paint just like you would any new wood.

    Bingo. No more exposed end-grain.

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    Matt | Jul 30, 2009 01:31pm | #15

    Here, they sell the BIN primer at Lowes.

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