I’m in the process of looking to have a design/firm bump out my 1921 kitchen in Chevy Chase, MD.
To arm myself with as much info as possible, I ran through the exericse in John McLean’s Cost article “How Much Will it Cost”
The number for a kitchen bump out spits out to @ 500/ SqFt.
I know I’ll hear “it’s going to depend” but any input on is this number close, too high, too low.
I respect the Author, just want to get as much feedback as possible.
Thanks,
JNF
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A more accurate/reasonable formula would be A + (B * linear feet of cabinet/counter) + (C * square feet of floor). And of course A, B, and C vary with the quality level of materials and local costs.
Adding square feet without adding cabinets or counter space simply adds to basic structural costs and flooring costs, the same as, say, a bedroom. (Well, that's not quite true -- lighting is also a consideration, but generally lighting costs don't go up in proportion to area for residential-sized rooms.)
I know I'll hear "it's going to depend"....
So, basically what you're saying is.....it's going to depend.
; )
Democrats.The other white meat.
Well, sooner or later we're all going to Depends.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Speak for yourself.
Soiling my drawers is the ultimate payback I have planned for my children.
Democrats.The other white meat.
"I respect the Author, just want to get as much feedback as possible."
Ok.
here's some ...
anyone who would say U can price a kitchen remodel per sq ft is a freaking idiot.
how's that for feedback?
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
$1000 sq ft
I'll see your $1000 sqft and raise you $2000.
Wait, why not cubic feet? Cabinets should be measured by volume, right?
you know they are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard so multiply your $2000 by s7 and the new price is $54,000 per cubic yard
yer a freaking idiot!!!ask jeff...I don't Know what I am doing
But
I am VERY good at it!!
JNF - for your area, and unless you have really extravagant tastes, I would budget $225/SF for construction PLUS the cost of cabinets and appliances.
Jeff
what about the knobs?
it's always about the knobs.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I'm so glad that knobs come LAST in these jobs. They can go flawlessly until that last item....then it's like picking the jewelry she will be buried in....
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Great point, the knobs can be reasonable or they can cost a bloody fortune.
i like your price 12x12= 32k plus cab and appliances. sounds in the ballpak for around here. of course my name says it all.... alwaysoverbudget larryhand me the chainsaw, i need to trim the casing just a hair.
Just having gone through the process of doing an addition and Kitchen remodel on my house I have some insite on this issue.
Your initial quotes are probably ballpark figures throw out by the contractor to make sure you realize how expensive the project is going to be. If you balk, he walks. I got a lot of quotes before choosing a contractor. I was not comfortable with getting one big price with everything included. I chose my contractor because he looked me in the eye when he talked to me and he broke down his quote in a reasonable way:
(1) Cost of addition per square foot - includes shell w/ drywall, standard windows, standard Electrical, standard HVAC. No added plumbing or fixtures.
(2) Cost of additional plumbing - rough plumbing and fixture allowance
(3) Cost of flooring finishes - allowance
(4) Cost of new Kitchen - Cabinet Allowance, Countertop Allowance, Appliance Allowance.
(5) Cost of New Bathroom - Floor allowance, fixture allowance
By breaking down the cost into individual components you can get a better idea of how the total price is calculated. We did some research to make sure the allowances in the contract were reasonable before signing. We exceeded the allowances for Kitchen Cabinets and Ctops, which increased our final price.
We added a 2 Story addition of 500-600 square feet., over a basement. Addition included a new Kitchen, new Bathroom, new laundry Room, new Mud Room. Kitchen cabinets were mid-range cherry cabinets with plywood veneer sides. Bathroom included a walkin shower with ceramic walls/ceiling, ceramic bath floor, new clawfoot tub. Outside of addition was hardie clapboard. Top of the line Marvin DH windows.
The cost per square foot was for the entire project was about $220 per square foot. I believe the per square foot cost of just the plain shell of the addition was around $100 per sq. foot. I'm located in the Chicago suburbs, mid-range market.
Mike K - Old House Remodeler - Aurora, iL
MikeK,Good info and break down there. One question I have is regarding your statement "We added a 2 Story addition of 500-600 square feet., over a basement."What was included in this, especially the basement? Was this a new section of basement (extending a current one) including excavation?Did you have an existing section of basement (for example..under a sunroom or something) that you then used and built straight up above that?I was just curious what $100 a foot (for the shell) gets you out in Chicago?Thanks,
James
<<< What was included in this, especially the basement? Was this a new section of basement (extending a current one) including excavation? >>>
We put a new basement under the addition, full excavation. In our area footings have to be 42" below grade to get below the frost line, so a full basement is not that much more expensive.
<<< Did you have an existing section of basement (for example..under a sunroom or something) that you then used and built straight up above that? >>>
No New Basement.
<<< I was just curious what $100 a foot (for the shell) gets you out in Chicago? >>>
Basic construction including vinyl siding, vinyl windows, finished drywall, subfloor, tract builder (cheap) flooring. Bottom line - contractor broke down pricing into reasonable categories which allowed us to be able to make better decisions about how to spend our money. I attached a few plans and photos so you can get an idea of our project. I designed the addition myself with imput from the contractor.
When you say, "Cost of new kitchen - allowance", for example, do you mean cost of the work for that area broken down by square foot including an allowance for finish materials? Or were you just given A. Kitchen Allowance $x ?Just wondering.I can give anyone a square foot price -- after I look at the job and figure the final cost, just divide it by the square footage. I tell some people this and of course they aren't satisfied, they want the job priced over the frickin' phone or email.
<<< When you say, "Cost of new kitchen - allowance", for example, do you mean cost of the work for that area broken down by square foot including an allowance for finish materials? Or were you just given A. Kitchen Allowance $x ? >>>
The shell of the addition (including framing, standard electrical, drywall, windows, siding, roof) was priced out per sq. foot by the GC.
The cost of the Kitchen was broken down in components: Cabinets, counter tops, appliances, lighting. Each component had an allowance. That made it easy for us to do research and make sure the allowance for each component was adequate for the quality of finish we wanted. If we went over the allowance on one component we tried to save on another component.
We were given a flooring finish allowance for the whole addition. We ended up spending most of the allowance putting in maple floors in the Kitchen and Ceramic in the Bathroom. Family Room got low end home cheapo carpet - kids are going to ruin it anyway. Laundry got cheap vinyl.
From the homeowner's perspective pricing a quote with allowances gives me some control, or the perception of some control, over costs. It also avoids misunderstandings with the contract and arguments over change orders. We knew if we went over our allowances we would be responsible for paying the extra,. If we had a quote with just one big price for the project we may have been less understanding of the cost increases.
For everyone's reference the article does not just give a sq ft pricing for a kitchen.http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/pages/fh_183_062.asp#"How Much Will My Kitchen Cost?
Use an architect's reality checklist to calculate approximate remodeling costs before any design work starts
by John McLeanSan Francisco architect John McLean doesn't like it when his clients are surprised by how much a kitchen project costs. So to keep them firmly rooted in reality from the outset, he developed a checklist that includes 24 categories that influence the cost of a kitchen, from structural changes to selecting appliances. Each category has five levels of complexity, that allow you to tailor a best-guess price for a project. The article includes a method for calculating the regional differences in the cost of construction."It is not ment to give a cost, but rather a ball park figure so that the a person can giveout if it is within their budget..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Edited 3/31/2007 11:23 am by BillHartmann
That's an interesting format for bidding. I wonder if others have had experience using that. I know many here like 1 number price contracts using change orders as needed. Does this format mean upgrades to the original bid must be supplied thru the GC. Otherwise how does he deal with markups on changed items.
<<< That's an interesting format for bidding. I wonder if others have had experience using that. I know many here like 1 number price contracts using change orders as needed. Does this format mean upgrades to the original bid must be supplied thru the GC. Otherwise how does he deal with markups on changed items. >>>
Not sure what your question is. We had allowances for rough plumbing, plumbing fixtures, Kitchen Cabinets, Kitchen Counter tops, etc.. If we went over the allowance we signed a change order with the GC and paid in cash. We had a construction loan to cover the original contract price.
Funny thing is we got some bids for other contractors with just one number that we thought were too high. We didn't understand the pricing. The GC we went with broke down the pricing which helped us to better understand the cost involved, so we were more comfortable with the price.
That was the most comprehensive way to price a project I have ever heard. I am in the process of bidding out my kitchen addition and two bath renos and have dismissed contractors who will not give me a breakdown. As was mentioned, it gives me the ability to control what I want to spend on what.
I am insisting that my project be bid exactly this way and have no time to deal with anyone who won't do it! I am so glad this was mentioned! I was beginning to think it was just me. I would not expect a contractor to be able to bid on a job without knowing every detail up front. In lieu of attempting that, why not give allowances? Seems like it would save a contractor a lot of time up front. The home owner's would not have to have every product selected just to get a bid, either.
"I am insisting that my project be bid exactly this way and have no time to deal with anyone who won't "Good luck!You will automatically eliminate some of the best people in your area. There are good reasons for contractors NOT breaking things down too much.I'll give you an example that will be a bit on the rediculous side, just for point of discussion. Suppose the est shows a line item of baseboard at $3/LF for sixty feet.The kind of HOs who really insist on this kind of detail in the first place tend to be overly involved and often too penny pinching.So they decide unilaterally to tell the contractor that they have decided to eliminate the baseboard. They ASSUME that this will also eliminate the line item cost for caulking and painting it.What they don't think of is that there is a very functional purpose to that piece of moulding and that eliminating it adds cost to another portion of the project that could very well be more expensive than the item they just eliminated.Yes, it is silly and rediculous, but the line item shoppers try to do things just as silly every time they show up. A home design is a tapestry with all the parts woven together. Pull on a snag and the whole thing can come apart!
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Piffin,You're right, it will automatically eliminate some contractors that do not want to work that way...and that's their right to decline that kind of work.I'm not sure if I'm not completely understanding AcCable's view on this or not.1) I would never give a customer a 100% breakdown of all my costs... price of plywood, nails, glues, lumber, insulation, etc.2) I would not tell them what I pay my guys (by the hour, day, etc).3) I would not tell them what my overhead is, and what I expect to make on the job (although by breaking down every little detail (as some customers would like)....you've basically just told them what you want to make on the job. Personally, what I make is none of their business as long as we come to a mutually beneficial agreement that everyone's happy with. They get a good product and good service, and I make a fair profit.However...I do believe there has to be some kind of balance in the bidding, estimating, selection (materials, finishes,etc) process. For a contractor to go in from day 1 and say it's going to cost you $20,000 to do a bathroom without gving any options, upgrades, allowances, etc....I think that's too "set in stone".That also requires the customer to know every detail about every option they want BEFORE you give them a bid.... OR on the flip side...to protect yourself as a contractor...you need to jack your bid way up to cover any possible "upgrades" the customer decides they want while the project is going on.Let's take a bathroom remodel for example....I'd have no problem in saying.... look......it's going to cost you X amount of dollars for the gutting, rough plumbing, re-framing (of bath and/or shower if changes are made), electrical, getting sheetrock work done, floor prep, tile work, vanities installed, basic faucets, lighting, etc.Now....you want options and/or to change stuff during the job??I'm going to give you an allowance of $500 for your shower and bathtub faucets, showerheads, handles, etc which will probably cover your basic Delta, Price Fister, etc. Wait...now you want Groe faucets, shower systems, etc? That's extra, and I better ....both...know about it in advance, and have them here in advance. IF this new shower system requires extra work...you will pay for it. They want to know how much more? Tell them to call a plumber and ask what going rates are...(that was a joke...) Did this change possibly create a delay in the project? If it does....that costs me time and money..and that will cost you time and money in the end.You want a tile floor? Well I'm going to give you an allowance of $x per square foot for material. You want to change the tile selection as the project is progressing? Well that's going to cost you extra (if you go with a more expensive tile or if the new tile requires additional prep work, different istall method, etc). Now you've been looking at fancy bathroom magazines and decide you want to run your tiles diagonally instead of a normal East-West/North-South pattern? Well that was NOT included in my original bid....so my tile guy wants more now, so that's going to cost you extra. Wait....but now my tile guy says he was planning on being in and out of this job in 2 days....now you want a more detailed layout which might take 3 to 4 days? Now you either pay a LOT extra...or we have a problem if he cannot fit it into his schedule. That delay costs me time and money and costs you time and money!Those are just a couple thoughts off the top of my head (maybe since those happened (changes I mean) on our last job...ha ha. With some customers...you can get by with saying....look...here's what I offer...you will get this....that....etc...and that's it. Your options include picking out paint colors, tile colors, etc..as long as nothing is special order. Many customers are happy with that type of system as they just want to get the job done, maybe they don't know too much about what's out there (option wise) and they trust you.Other customers want the option of knowing...what will this "optional" shower system cost to have installed versus that "standard" one. Hey, they're paying the bill, they should have that opportunity IMO.Ok, time to get some coffee...lol
You and I are pretty much in agreement, but I was trying to open the HOs eyes that he may hurt himself by the way he DEMANDS certain things in his estimate. My presentation does show some breakdown and it is an estimate only, subject to change according to their desires and job conditions.
We work togeteher. But it reflects the way I work, think, and do business. To change my estimating style to satisfy a customers whim or demands will gaurantee inaccuracy which helps nobody.
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I agree with you 100%. I will however gladly take the time out and break down everything if you .................pay me. $65 an hour. That way if I don't get the job it really is ok because at least I can pay myself and make a profit for the time spent. Of course that all hinges on whether I have 4 other quotes to do traditionally and in that case all bets are off. DanT
Wanna guess what I have been getting paid for this week?
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Piffin, that was a brilliant example!
Reminds me of the time a homeowner was told by the electrician that each outlet cost $X and each light fixture cost $Y... so they went through the house and told us that they wanted to remove "this outlet, and this outlet, and that light"....etc. actually thinking that their final bill would reflect a discount of $X times the number of outlets that had to be removed, wireing re-routed, etc. They were LIVID when they were informed that that boondoggle was actually going to be a substantial upcharge rather than the discount that they were expecting. Personally I felt that part of the blame did indeed fall upon the contractor, (my boss at the time) since even I, a lowly carpenter, knew exactly what was going through the home owners head at the time.
I think that pricing any sort of remodel by the sq foot is akin to trying to price a car by the pound.
This has been discussed in a few other threads but any customer that would want you to give them a line - item breakdown of everything in your bid is not someone that you ever would want to have anything to do with in any sort of a business arrangement. It's impossible to come out of any sort of a deal with a control freak like this without everyone involved being angry and feeling like they got screwed." If I were a carpenter"
Had something else similar with a floor replacement that was planned for hardwood. We had torn up the old one and already ordered the new flooring - need advance planning to get the good stuff and it has to aclimate, etc - while we did all the other stuff in house. Meantime, the HO decided off th ecuff that ceramic tile would be nicer, since they could get it at HD and install it themselves for less money than laying the hardwood and finishing it, or so they thought.No consideration for underlayment given that this was a diag run 1x10 subfloor, or for deflection, or for the fact that they had already paid for the flooring order...it seems that no matter how many times I do this or how many times they sign each page of the estimate as having reviewed it with me - or how much we go over these things in design phase - it always turns out that somebody wasn't listening in class....
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You may be right that I will eliminate some good contractors. But I had a bid with one lump sum that included items that were not what I had in mind such as a laminate tile floor instead of ceramic or wood or mid grade oak cabinets instead of maple. I gave the guy a budget figure which is why the less expensive items were included.
When I realized what my budget was going to cover, I decided to up the ante. That is when I inquired about allowances and couldn't get an answer. If $_______ was included for oak cabinets and maple cost $_______ much more, than I would know how much the contract price would increase. In the end, it would be my decision if I wanted to spend the extra money. I was actually trying to save the man time by asking that he just include an allowance figure for cabinets, flooring, lighting and faucets and what quality the allowance included. My whole aim was to decide if I wanted to upgrade them and at how much.
This would all be done at the initial bidding. In my mind, I am saving the contractor time of not having to break out each item especially if, at the time, I really hadn't decided what cabinetry or flooring I wanted. Now, of course, by this time, I have pretty much decided almost every product I WANT. My wants will be supplied to the contractors, hopefully to save them time in the bidding process by giving them as much detail as I can to get as accurate a bid as I can.
I do not want to know the cost + markup on every door, piece of molding, window, etc. I do not want to know what his subs make either. Square foot pricing makes no sense to me. I just want the choice to be mine of what I am spending my money on. If the quote is high
I think jja28 stated it perfectly. Give me $10,000 allowance for cabinets, this includes mid grade oak. Of course, if I state maple at the onset, include the price for that. If I decide later, that cherry would be nice, all I want is a figure on how that effects the end total.
I hope I am getting by point across and all this makes sense. I am a single female who is looking to spend a lot of money (well, a lot to me) and just want the choice to spend more on items that are important to me and less on items that aren't. I hope this doesn't sound like a control issue but maybe in a way it is. To me, this is a huge undertaking and to be comfortable in the process maybe I need to feel I have control over something and that would be the product choices.
Profit is not a dirty word to me. If the contractor is not comfortable and making money, my job is not going to go well. I am looking for quality at a FAIR price, nothing more.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention.....I even have the knobs picked out.
When I bid a kitchen job, I want to know what you want. It needs to be a bit more detailed than a new kitchen.
I will bid according to your specs. Type of cabinets and countertop, all plumbing fixtures, floor material, electric fixtures. Any changes to existing structure. The result will be a real price. Bids with allowances are to me like those lure you in sales at the mall. Great if you want that, worthless if you want something else.
However, this from a dumb carpenter.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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From what I read on this board you are anything BUT a dump carpenter and anytime you want to drive a couple hours east, my house has plenty of work!! :)
The difference in the giving of prices may be, is the HO actually getting bids on a real job.....in this case more of the specs may be known. Or is he just trying to get a ball park number to see if the project is financially possible.........then he may not have decided any of details.
Thank you for the complement.
2 hrs east?
Cleve?
Get opening day tickets and clean out the cupboards.
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Oh, if only I could, you would have them!
Actually did have the cupboards cleaned out and ready to sign the papers but the contractor chose not to call me back. Never heard from him again. Boy was that frustrating!
Isn't opening day tomorrow?
Edited 4/1/2007 5:01 pm ET by AcCable
Season opener-tomorrow in Chicago.
Home opener-Friday-Seattle.
So, email me through here and we'll try to help out.
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It seems as though you needed an estimate based on your loosely identified desires in order to determine feasibility.
After that the heart of the issue is the identification of specs for non structural desires, before you ask for bids If these are well spelled out on the plans or request for bids, then the bid can accurately reflect your desires. Then you and the contractor have a common starting point for change orders or "over allowances". A request for bid for a generalized project is bound to get you a bid with a lot of cushion for the uncertanties.
Exactly!
I do not see how a contractor can spend a lot of time bidding, with all the details involved, for just tire kickers.
The tire kickers need to get a pretty close estimate on the job to determine the feasibility but at this point has not worked out all the details. Isn't it better for the contractor to just price out average allowances until the job becomes a reality?
Between you and me and the cast iron knob, that all makes sense, if you are as straight shooting as you sound, but customers like to yank us around a lot and play games to much too.Like the budget thing. If your budget ia a hundred grand then for God's sake, tell me. Don't let me wates a lot of my time and your money figuring how to get the job done for 8oK and then later slip in in that you might as well go ahead and spend 120K to get what you want. If you do that I am frustrated with you and only half trusting you before I ever start the job.
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Piffin,
I am as straight shooting as I sound so I tend to forget how some people can not be that way. And I'm sure you guys do get jerked around alot. But I have a job I want/need done and need a qualified person to do it. The only stipulation is that the work is quality work and the price is fair.....no gouging.....no undercutting.
The budget thing still has me confused. If I told you I had $80,000 and gave you a list of specs how can you "make it happen"? Or are you saying the specs have not been determined and you are determining them based upon the budget amount?
I think I just answered my own question. Now it makes sense. If I told you my budget was $100,000 AND I supplied the specs, then you could tell me if it was or wasn't going to happen. Duh!
But on the other hand, if I tell you my budget is $100,000 and I have way over estimated the scope of the project, what happens then? The contractor may be rubbing his hands together in glee because he will be getting a $100,000 job that could have sold for only $50,000. That sentence sounds like I think of contractors as money grubbing opportunists and I don't mean it to. It just goes back to wanting a FAIR price and in this case it may not be fair. At least, to me. ;)
In that later case, you haven't done your homework to begin with. You are wasting your time talking to a contractor or tradesman you can't turust when you turn him loose in your home. There are a dozen ways to screw the chicken
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It depends!
Design and planning costs depend on:
Bumpout costs depend on:
Cabinet costs depend on:
Appliance prices can depend on a gazillion matters of:
I'm a cabinetmaker, but sometimes excercise my general contractors license, although rarely anymore. I now use a computer program called CabnetWare, to layout and draw, price, and come up with cutlists for cabinets. It's a real complicated program, almost as complicated as the MS Excel spreadsheets I used to use. I've learned that two identical rooms of cabinets might vary in cost by 100% or more, depending on.....
The point I'm making, is that it does depend on a myriad of variables. And I learned long ago to never, I mean NEVER give out off-the-cuff prices to customers that inquire. It'd either be too high - and scare them away; or it'd be too low - and they'd count on it. If they insist, I politly dismiss them. Listen, you wouldn't go into a car dealer and ask, "How much is a car?" First you'd know what you can afford, then you'd find the right dealer, and then the car that fits your needs and pocketbook.
So determine your budget, and then and only then get it designed by an architect/designer who knows how to work within your budget. Then take his real plans to a general contractor or two or three, and get some realistic prices. And don't even ask for off-the-cuff prices, because they probably won't be realistic.
Gary W
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Edited 3/31/2007 11:52 am by GaryW
Edited 3/31/2007 11:52 am by GaryW
U forgot the knobs ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Jeff & Piffin,
That's funny! I guess I didn't include the knobs, because they depend also on the client's last minute choice, and they can vary from $0.50 to $50.00. Unless initially specified, I offer them in my contract as an extra: at my cost; with installation at $105/hour.Gary W
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"and they can vary from $0.50 to $50.00."
that's why I get a lick outta "kitchen by the sq ft" pricing ...
everything is different ... each and every time!
even with the same stuff and same layout ...
just too many personal choices.
crown ... no crown ... 3 layers of crown ... scribe ... under cab lights ... light rail ... no light rail ... skinned bottoms with light rail and lights ... no lights .... puck lights ... rope lights ... rope lights above too ... all lighting switches all seperate ...
glass doors with interior lighting ... switched together ot seperate ...
appliances .... stainless steel ... skinned and paneled ...
build in fridge ... cab depth built in ... again ... U want that stainless or panels ...
build around the 2 yr old fridge or build around a pair of Sub 700's ...
then ... what about the freaking knobs!
Yeah ... sq ft ... that'll get ya close!
just need an "average" ...
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
You know, I think one of our most important jobs is educating our clients, which is especially true if we plan to stay in business. One of the most difficult clients I've had was an architect building her own home. It was her first residential project after serving in a firm that designed only very big, commercial projects. She began with the opinion that if she could draw it, it could be so..... at no added cost. Although her ideas were creative and artistically inspired, she hadn't a clue how much extra labor they'd cost. The added cost to me included the time it took to explain the reality of her ideas, as well as building them, and her education included change order line items for design changes and discussion time. By the end of the project, she'd learned that her education was still costing her. I learned that she'd be one of those that'd cause me to rewrite portions of my contract. Gary W
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jn -- just did mine on e-w hwy in cc -- would have cost $812.50 a sf -- cabinets delivered to garage was 63 -- granite another 8 - floor (not installed) 3 -- it adds up - figure you are doing something that is going to last 3-40 yrs might as well do it right
A $63,000 cabinet order! Wow! Got pics?
Gene -- yes -- posted soem in the gallery a while back -- I'll see if I can't post more
that 500/ft does not sound unreasonable to me for quality work in your location, but you say almost nothing about what would be included in that and how much of this kitchen will be in teh bump out and how much will be inside the existing shell.
Anyway for compaison, I have done kitchen spaces within existing shell for up to $450/ft.
I am just now finishing an estimate for a job where I have separated various phases. This is in my thinking a budget job. Decent factory stock cabinets with laminate finish tops and a BB Maple on the island. Sheet vinyl floor covering. On existing foundation - no roof included because theere is a master Bdrm above priced out separate. No special electrical fixtures and basic appliances only. Nice, functional, but no glitz.
It is coming up to about $187/SF My last kitchen spent almost that much just for appliances.
Do a decent floor covering, granite tops, and some options in customizing the cabs and you could get way over five hundred easy
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That is kind of like asking how much does a car cost.
Call a contractor tell him what you want. Estimates are free. To many verribles