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   stinger | Dec 03, 2005 11:37pm | #1

   You titled the thread "labor contract."

   Gonna get paid by the hour by your client?  No materials furnished by you?

   Sounds like you are looking to be an "employee" rather than a "contractor."

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   Framer | Dec 03, 2005 11:53pm | #2

   "You titled the thread "labor contract.""Gonna get paid by the hour by your client? No materials furnished by you?""Sounds like you are looking to be an "employee" rather than a "contractor."Why does it sound like he's looking to be an employee? I've done many jobs with just a labor price.Joe Carola

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   DummyAccount | Dec 04, 2005 12:15am | #3

   "Why does it sound like he's looking to be an employee? I've done many jobs with just a labor price."Yes, but the contract should not be a "labor's" contract, but rather a construction contract where the project scope calls out "doing xxx to be charged at $yy per hour". In general you would supply tools and determine how to best do xxxx.A labor's contract would say what pay and benfits that the employeer was paying and in general the employeer would specify and direct what is being done. IE how many nails of what size per stud.

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   Framer | Dec 04, 2005 12:58am | #5

   "Yes, but the contract should not be a "labor's" contract, but rather a construction contract where the project scope calls out "doing xxx to be charged at $yy per hour".I'm not talking about per hour. I'm talking about a price for labor only. I'll frame/sheath/install exteriopr trim and set windows for your addition, Labor Only, $20,000.00. Not by the hour.Joe Carola

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   dieselpig | Dec 04, 2005 12:24am | #4

   Full time framer here Stinger.  Only time I supply materials is when I'm working for an owner/builder with no experience and a nervous twitch.  I contract every job and 90% of them are labor only arrangements.  And yes, I'm an independant subcontractor who works for about 6 different GC's a year.

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   5150 | Dec 05, 2005 04:54am | #9

   Sounds like you do not know what the legal definition of a contractor is. For example, a journeyman plumber is a plumbing mechanic who follows a completely different occupation than a master plumber who follows the occupation of plumbing contractor. The right to make contracts in your occupation is constitutionally protected. In Arizona where I live, a person can follow the occupation of plumbing contractor as an employee.

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   stinger | Dec 05, 2005 05:12am | #10

   I know the definition.  But I see a lot of guys that think they are "subbing" by accepting a straight hourly wage paid in cash or by check, no withholding, no 1099, and they are in fact an employee.

   Told what hours to work, what to do and how to do it, and to whom to report.

   Contractors that hire and pay like that are shysters.  They know exactly what they are doing and why.  Homeowners that do it probably don't know any better.

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   davidmeiland | Dec 04, 2005 04:56am | #6

   I'm not sure, but I think you might be referring to an article in JLC about a one-page contract that a handyman uses to write up his jobs. Is that possible? It was maybe 6 months ago. I have the back issues and could find it. I don't get FHB, maybe they had something similar.

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   ElegantSolution | Dec 04, 2005 06:51pm | #7

   Thanks.  Maybe I did see this in the JLC.  I had just a few issues.  If you ever run across that, I would appreciate a reference.

   Joe Mirenna,

   [email protected]

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   davidmeiland | Dec 04, 2005 06:55pm | #8

   It's JLC, March 2005, in the Business column, P61, author Leland Stone.