What skills are required in doing a good linoleum job, one with, say, the alternate square colors you see at the Forbo Marmoleum site?
Or like this.
What range might the installation cost be in?
Edited 1/7/2006 11:21 am ET by Stinger
What skills are required in doing a good linoleum job, one with, say, the alternate square colors you see at the Forbo Marmoleum site?
Or like this.
What range might the installation cost be in?
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Stringer,
I'll watch this tread with interest since I'm also considering using the same product for our new kitchen/bath addition. Why are you considering linoleum? For our part, I guess we just liked the vibrant colors and that it has a reputation for being indestructable. What sort of prices are you getting for just the product, itself. Our local flooring dealer is talking about $5.95 per square foot. If I do decide to go with linoleum I'll probably install it myself.
ChipTam
It can be bought on-line for $2.99.
Stringer,
Thanks for that information about the price of linoleum on line. I'll check it out.
JeffBuck,
You may be right that installation is more complicated than I imagine. On the other hand, my neighbor installed linoleum in his kitchen/ mudroom 10 years ago. It still looks fine and and he had never done any floor instalation of any kind previously. Now, he used 12" x 12" tiles in one color. Using 6 foot wide linoleum sheet goods or multiple colors might be more of a challenge.
ChipTam
let us know what ya come up with.
this would also make for an interresting mag article ...
either way ... a hands on ... after the fact review ... would be nice.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
JeffBuck,
Thanks for your confidence. If I actually go ahead with the linoleum floor for the new addition to our summer/ retirement home I'll post something about it next fall. Linoleum would certainly fit in with the style of this house. The original core of the house was built around 1880 and, when we purchased it a few years ago, had 8 layers of sheet flooring. The first layers were canvas cloth, followed by several layers of linoleum and, finally, two layers of vinyl. None were bonded to the previous layer. I guess that the 8 layers provided some additional insulation. Anyway, I'll keep you posted.
ChipTam
Hi Stinger,
A quick search of US on-line retailers for marmoleum didn't turn up much. I wonder if you could save me some time and tell me where you found that $2.99 per sqare foot price on-line? Thanks.
ChipTam
I went looking and couldn't find it in a quick search. But I seem to recall it was Armstrong's product in 12x12 tiles, not Forbo, not sheet.
I'll bet you can find it if you keep Googling, but I doubt you will find roll material for sale on-line.
Have you asked the flooring specialist at a bigbox store if they can order it for you, if it is not stocked?
I am a flooring contractor in Victoria, BC, an you are right that installing the 6 foot sheets of lino takes a bit of doing. Lino is very durable when installed properly, but breaks easily if bent, pushed, or folded to tightly when putting it in. It would simplify things to cut the roll into squares and install them like tiles. If you are planning to try it yourself, just post again and I'll give you some pointers. I don't know what a qualified tradesperson in your neck of the woods charges, but to do a kitchen, if everything is already moved, fairly clean, and does not invovle much work to the sub floor, would take a day, for which I charge around $400. Hope this helps.
Hey Eriktherad,
How would you feel about a quick cross-country jaunt? My linoleum floor is going in our summer home in Trinity, Newfoundland (about three hours north of St. John's). The linoleum floor will be for an addition to the house which includes kitchen, bath, and mudroom. The plan is to use 12 x 12 tiles (probably one color). Right now, there is only a 3/4" plywood subfloor in this space. I plan to put down !/4" luan plywood over that (ring-shank nails?). I'll fill the nail holes with leveling compound before putting down the linoleum tiles. I'll use whatever adhesive and trowel the manufacturer recommends. Does that sound about right? What other factors should I be concerned about? Better yet, I'll just pick you up at the St. John's airport.
ChipTam
Sorry about the long delay responding, got a little too busy. Floor prep is key for lino, because it shows everything. Make sure the subfloor is smooth, patch the nail holes and dents, and the seams in the plywood. Use Forbo Linotack 414 adhesive, its the best, but make sure not to glue out to big of an area, because if it starts going hard, it will show as bumps and ridges under the lino. The only other big concern is makeing sure the edges of the squares are really straight and actually square. Lino is normally welded along the seams, or scribed in tight, so if the tiles are not true the lines are going to show up and fill with dirt. Hope this helps, because I'm not big on going to the east coast in winter, sorry.
Eriktherad,
Many thanks for your reply. If we actually go ahead with linoleum on these floors I'll be sure to purchase the Forbo Linotack 414 adhesive. It's beginning to sound a bit more complicated than I imagined. When you say that "lino is normally welded along the seams or scribed in tight" do you mean that the 12" x 12" pieces are frequently out of square? Do you need to hand fit every piece? Forbo makes what they call "welding rod strips" in the same color as the floor. Do you need these strips between each piece of flooring?
By the way, our year-round home is in the Detroit area. We won't return to Nfld until late May. So, no excuse. I'll pick you up at the St. John's airport in early June. Oh, one last question. Do you know of an on-line retailer for Forbo products? If not, does $5.39 per square foot (US) sound about right for this product? Thanks again.
ChipTam
Stringer,
Yes, same here, I couldn't find any on-line retailers for Forbo products. At the Forbo site, they'll direct you to a local retailer but I already have a local retailer ($5.39 per square foot). I'll inquire at a big box store. In the meantime, if you find an on-line retailer drop me a line. Thanks.
ChipTam
all I know is the skill set is way more than vinly.
still waiting for the job ... better find one soon ... so I can bring my Dad out of retirement.
He learned from my grandfather ... his father in law ... who was the best in this area.
I've never done leno ... but to hear my Dad tell the story ... it ain't just laying down a sheet of vinyl.
of course .. the house I grew up in ... lino entry ... had the compass rose set in lino.
so gramps did a bit of "detail work" to say the least.
Good luck on your search ... and I'd not suggest take the cheapest bid or first guy that says ... Sure, just like vinyl, I'll get right on it..."
I'm actually hoping our next house will be in need of a floor ... looking to teach myself and get Dad's guidance at the same time.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
it's just VCT right? comes in tons of colors... I've never paid more than 70cents sf for the high end "designer" colors and pay 48 to 62 cents a sf for basic commerical colors...
as for install.... it's not hard but it ain't fun... the floor has to be clean & smooth i use a ton of it in my shopping center rehabs... every flaw over 1/8" will transfer... takes very little glue fine small notch and alot of pressure spread'n it.... best to rent a vct cutter... i usually use standard or close out colors and add a few different colors for accent... if i have em around...
cost to install depends alot on the floor.... no filling on a smooth floor big area not much to work around... u supply the glue & materials... somewhere around $1 a ft labor... if it's a one day job and you have a min of 350sf.... last time i paid a guy it was for a clean ready to tile area 2400sf and i paid him 1500.00 but it was a clean 40x60 room with one post in the center... 2 guys had it done & cleaned up in about 9-10 hrs good deal for me & them
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that was just my point ...
No, it's not "just vct" ...
unless I've bought the line ... hook, line and sinker ...
real lino ain't "just vct" ...
I've done a ton of vct. My Dad's done a ton of vct ... plus a good bit of lino ...
and he's told me time and time again ... a good lino install ain't "just vct".
Never got a good handle on what a good lino install entails ...
Have you GC'd or laid actual lino? If so ... I'm curious ... am I overly cautious?
Curious.
and thanks.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
a good friend of mine owns BPI i don't know if they are in your area... but they are big distributors of all things flooring countertops and some finishes... from what i understand and i'm sure you know more from your dad... there are "high end products" in every line... and some really r worth the $$... they are putting "just vct" in some pretty nice places around here and even have custom lazer cut inlays... I would think with your skill sets and knowing detail I think you like anyone who takes their time and has good basic skills can do most things well... u might be slower at it to get the same quality level... but learning planning and take'n your time will get you a pretty good job in whatever you do...
just my opinion... hasn't always helped me in poker
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