Home inspectors don’t like adjustable posts only concrete filled posts. why? Any alternatives, pressure treated 6×6 or are adjustable acceptable?
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Home inspectors huh?
Those who can build do. Those who can't inspect other peoples' work....
>>Those who can build do. Those who can't inspect other peoples' work....
My experience is that some builders make good HI's becasue they know stuff and can communicate it, others don't and/or can't
Some HI's make good builders, others don't.
And some builders can build, others can't -- some HI's can inspect, others can't
Your mileage may vary
"Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
Howard Thurman
PS - I can say that.... I had a HI license... let it expire.
Banks don't lend money without their reports, very subjective? I have adjustable posts, suggested they are inapproprate. Not looking to spend alot to make "repair".
Since you are not wanting to spend a lot to make a repair, I'd recommend checking with your local building inspection department and see if adjustable lallys are acceptable - or even if they were acceptable at the time the home was built. If so, ask for documentation or a paragraph number in the code book and provide that as your response. Regarding HI reports, I probably fix about 80% of what is noted. The other 20 or so % comes under the category of N/A. Adjustable Lally columns are fine here, but I don't live in MA so I don't know what is acceptable there. We normally concrete around the bottom.
Regarding HIs, you gotta understand they they have to find something wrong with the house so that the person who hired them will feel like they got their money's worth. For example, I get a lotta "front porch light is non-functional and needs to be checked by a licensed electrician" translation: burned out light bulb. :-)
wrap it with 1x.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Because they can be removed by morons.
Jeff
My other thought would be that they can be placed anywhere, like places where there are no footings, only a 2" floor.
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
just because they can be used wrong doesn't mean that all are.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I'm with you. But i've seen homeowners do some crazy things.
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
weld the pin in and weld the threads. That makes it no longer adjustable.
"Any alternatives"
You mean like an HI with some common sense?
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I thought Lolly's were pops and Lally's were columns?
Man I'm confused now. Don't lick a lally.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"Lolly", as in lollygagging.
I've been lollygag most my life. Not sure of the origin. Irish?
lol·ly·gag
(lŏl'ç-gâg') Pronunciation Key intr.v. lol·ly·gagged also lal·ly·gagged, lol·ly·gag·ging also lal·ly·gag·ging, lol·ly·gags also lal·ly·gags
To waste time by puttering aimlessly; dawdle.
To fool around; to spend time aimlessly; to dawdle or dally.
Its main meaning today is of purposeless activity. Many American veterans will remember it, since it is part of the standard repertoire of insults used by NCOs to verbally chastise new recruits — in this case to accuse them of fooling around or wasting time. To American civilians, however, it sometimes has a subsidiary meaning of “to indulge in kisses and caresses”, not a sense ever encountered in the military.
It first appeared in the US about the middle of the nineteenth century. A wonderful citation from an Iowan newspaper, the Northern Vindicator, in 1868 suggests that a lovemaking implication was around even in its early days:
“The lascivious lolly-gagging lumps of licentiousness who disgrace the common decencies of life by their love-sick fawnings at our public dances”.
Jonathon Green, in his Cassell Dictionary of Slang, suggests it may come from a dialect word lolly, meaning “tongue”. If it is, then it’s a close relative of lollipop, which is also thought to come from the same source. Another spelling of the word is lallygag.
'xactly. Thats wht its a Lally, column.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"The term lally column, strictly speaking, was a proprietary name for the concrete filled steel column invented by John Lally. A lally column has no adjusting screw. "
I always called 'em "Lallys", but I've heard both.
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
lol·ly·gag (lŏl'ç-gâg') Pronunciation Key intr.v. lol·ly·gagged also lal·ly·gagged, lol·ly·gag·ging also lal·ly·gag·ging, lol·ly·gags also lal·ly·gags
To waste time by puttering aimlessly at BT....
;-)
I sure wouldn't enjoy a lolly filled with cement.
jt8
lotsa worse things happen to better people than me every day. --Snort
They are code compliant, have published load ratings and are used extensively in new construction, especially multi-unit wood frame. Did he say what the objection was?
Not as good as cement filled. Posts not original to house, 1880 home needed beam and support to reduce sag in middle of floor, 35 yrs ago. No problem in that time span except metal deterioration of post due to cellar seasonal dampness.
Not as good as cement filled
Why that is an objective statement!
Being paid to detect problems or potential promblems. I've been told that often which HI you get determines the issues. Son had house inspected by certified inspector who failed to discover 21 fixtures on 1 15 amp curcuit. so my intention is to be vocal about perceived problems and replace with same type collumn as needed.
replace with same type collumn as needed
If the lally column is showing evidence of rotting out replace, otherwise, too bad, an adjustible lally column is fine. if anyone is stupid enough to try to raise or lower, they deserve what they get!
You do realize that the cement was put into Lally columns to impart fire protection, right?Jeff
I don't think you meant to direct that to me. I aint said duthing about cement.
>>Home inspectors don't like adjustable posts only concrete filled posts. why? Any alternatives, pressure treated 6x6 or are adjustable acceptable?
Some do, some don't.
"Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
Howard Thurman
Since nobody asked yet, is it possible that you have a temporary floor jack instead of a lally?
You need to ask the home inspector why.
Make them prove to you the why.
My understanding of adjustables is that the bottom needs to be filled in with non shrink grout or concrete so that it is affixed and perhaps the manufacturer requires it for structure reasons, but otherwise I am pretty sure the home inspector is not the code official in your jurisdiction.
Research (read the label on your column if it is still there), call the municipal authority, and get your hands on code book to find out what is legal.
Then go educate those that need it.
If we are all talking about the same thing - I've always called them Teleposts - the top and bottom have plates with holes for securing to wood or concrete. There is no grout or cement involved.
Yes, we are talking the same thing.
I vaguely remember from years ago (probably new jersey) that the inspector had an issue with the adjustable 3" round column that was not buried in concrete.
(normally we had the column pad 1" below footing height and then poured the slab up and over)
I am going off memory so dont quote me but I thought the adjustable portion needed to be buried in concrete or solidified so that the adjustable steel all thread was not supporting the load, and that the pier bottom was encased in concrete.
I dont remember any details just recollections from long time ago
Check out this link
http://www.ashireporter.org/articles/articles.aspx?id=228
I dont know if he is right but he certainly researched them well.
Interesting. As the article says I guess we have different rules governing their use up here. I've used them for permanent support not only in basements but throughout multi-unit condos in 2"x4" walls.
here is something I found on the web.
Helps you make sure you comply with ICC (international code council) and then you can do battle as necessary with the home inspector.
Dont change for someone who doesnt know what they are looking at unless it is a client and the affect on you is minimal
http://www.ashireporter.org/articles/articles.aspx?id=228