I like my coffee, but detest the mess it makes on the job if brought in in cups instead of thermoses.
No matter where we place the cans or the bags, the cups just get left around, sometimes part full, and a big part of the mess is all the little creamer thingies, sugar pacs, and stir sticks.
McDonalds in the NE region has started to sell their coffee already prepped, which means all your preferred additives are loaded in it behind the counter, and all you get is the cup (paper) and one piece top. If you like it with Jack Daniels, you need to add that yourself.
Their register system had to get modified with the addition of over 30 new programmed keys to do the sales, while previously sales were done using just a few (reg or decaf, sm, med, lg).
My hat is off to McDs for addressing part of my jobsite coffee mess. Now, if I could get all my people to use thermoses . . .
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"I like my coffee, but detest the mess it makes on the job if brought in in cups instead of thermoses."
"No matter where we place the cans or the bags, the cups just get left around, sometimes part full, and a big part of the mess is all the little creamer thingies, sugar packs, and stir sticks."
You should talk to your crew because they sound like a bunch of animals leaving all that garbage around. I wouldn't tolerate it foe one second. How hard is it to through your sugar pack, creamer, or those little plastic stirring strips in the bag as soon as you get done fixing your coffee?
I had one guy who kept dropping all these things on the ground and I told him to stop and then he did it again, so I picked up everything he threw on the ground and threw it on his front seat of his truck.
This is our jobsite and they should respect the property they're working on and keep it clean and throw the garbage in the garbage.It's that simple.
Once upon a time I worked for a builder who had a fine system. $50 for food trash on the job site. I never saw the subs, or employees ever leave anything. It had to be written into the sub contracts and seemed to work well.
It was $100 for walking on bare finished floors with shoes and there were a few others that I can't remember.
I had one guy who kept dropping all these things on the ground and I told him to stop and then he did it again, so I picked up everything he threw on the ground and threw it on his front seat of his truck.
LOL, you're the best man. I agree, whatever building we're working on is our 'office' and someone else's 'home' and should be treated as such. My pet peeve is the Sani-Kan jobsite toilets. I hate when guys leave the seat up so when I walk in to take a squirt I have to look at that mess. What's so hard about dropping the seat down? I swear some of these clowns are proud of their accomplishments. Same thing goes with aiming for the big hole with the seat and missing instead of turning to their left to hit the smaller one. How some guys even manage to get themselves dressed and off to work in the morning is beyond me.
I once walked into a job toilet once and someone had written in Sharpie,
"Your mother isn't here to clean up after you..... even though she's ugly enough to fit in".
I loved that.
Brian, Eric,Guys who throw garbage on the ground should be thrown on the ground face first or in the dumpster face first into SH!T because there's no reason in the world to do that. I'll say to them that they can throw all the garbage they want in their own house but not on my jobsite.I don't care if I'm framing a new house in the middle of Bumb Fu!k Egypt or an addition on someone's home there's always a garbage bag, can or dumpster or their truck to put their garbage in. You have to respect where you work and not have to be taught as an adult to throw your garbage away. It's that simple.Brian,Next time one of your guys who disrespects the porta jon, when he goes in let him start doing his little tinkle, tinkle real nice and comfy saying ooohh and aaaahh then run from 20' away and smash into the ports jon like a Ram and maybe he'll fall in face first or you know he's coming out with tinkle, tinkle all over himself.......;-)Joe Carola
I've also been known to mistakenly bump into the porta-john with the forklift...... or park it in front of the door....
Wait untill they're comfortably seated and doing their thing and then drop a brick down the vent pipe. This is very "nice" if done when the porta potty is nearly full!
You guys are NASTY!!!
Holy crap. I don't agree with treating the jobsite as a dump, but I would "drop" a hammer from the roof on somebody who did that brick thing ...
I hate when guys leave the seat up so when I walk in to take a squirt I have to look at that mess. What's so hard about dropping the seat down?
So, have you and the lovely Mrs. Dieselpig ever had the same discussion? Why can't you put the seat down after you pee, Brian? If you've never heard that you're marraige is made in heaven and you're one of the lucky ones.
I leave the seat up at home, but always close it in the portajohn. If the lid's closed, more of the stink goes out the vent instead of inside the john. Also, I'm like Gunner - I got a low gag reflex - I'd be unpopular in prison.
BTW - I got a frameable pic of the 'Pig and Grant from Blodgett. My wife think's you're cute.................Birth, school, work, death.....................
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My wife pretty much had me retrained with the toilet seat thing by the time we got married. An 18 month engagement while living together will do that. I was tough to break though... grew up in a house with three boys and my mom. I didn't even know people thought about stuff like that until I had my first girlfriend.
Blodgett sent me one of those pics too..... nice guy he is.
Oh yeah.... and your wife is right. ;)
The project I just finished (37,000' warehouse conversioni) was a test of my patience to say the least. But I had one man who's sole responsibility was to keep walkways open (700'+ of hallways alone) and who did a great job. The worst was the sheetrock crew who couldn't hit a trashcan if you put it on their head. They couldn't even flush their toilet paper down the toilet. Their foreman got quite a snootful when my helper led him into the toilet and told him in Spanish (with me standing behind him) to get someone in there and clean it up in the middle of their day one day.
We had everything oriented to wheels on the job. With all the work Frank did to keep the place in order, the job cruised smoothly but without him, it would have foundered miserably. It didn't go unnoticed either. All the subs who spoke English complimented me on how clean the site was and how smoothly the job was running. I'd always tell them to say it to Frank because he was 'the man' on the job responsible. It was money well spent!
On regular jobs, I'll set up trash cans at strategic points and let anyone on site know where they are and if need be, 'show' how to use them. Under the chopsaw station for the cutoffs along with enough space to toss usable leftovers for later use, next to the tool station where blade packaging etc can go, and off to the side at the actual work area. Periodic pick up through the day makes the end of the day clean-up a short easy process. I just let everyone know I EXPECT a clean site All the time for safety and efficiency reasons. This includes honey bun packages...
I did that with one of the guys I work with.
I come out of the house and see a butt on the ground. Huh??
Before you know it I have close to a dozen.
I tossed them in his van all over everything.
He still won't talk to me.
He has since been affectionately named PigPen.
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I hate sloppy pigs and inconsiderate A holes. I live near Wake Forest University and am amazed by the kids that just throw trash on the ground and keep on truckin'. The favorite thing is to leave plastic cups on the ground after a party. I walk my dogs early in the morning, and when I find a mess like that, I pick it up. Of course I have to put it somewhere, so I turn the cups upside down on the hood of the most expensive car at the address. There are a lot of very expensive cars with beer stains on 'em. They usualy make the connection and stop littering.
On job sites, I just throw away any unattened drinks.
I am also amazed at how young adults and kids are littering again. When I grew up it was pounded into me DON"T LITTER.
Truly disgusting to see fastfood containers thrown out the window of a passing car.
Almost want to cry, like the Indian in that old TV commercial Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
A lot of times I will buy a "Box Of Joe" from Dunkin Donuts which includes 10 cups of coffee with all the cups, creamers, sugars and the little stirring things with a dozen donuts.I will then watch as some guys will put the empty packages of sugar down and watch the wind blow them off onto the ground and when I say pick them up they will say well the wind did it and then I will say put the empty packages in the bag and put the box of coffee on top so the wind doesn't blow them off.But why the hell do I have to even say that or have to be the only one to think about how on a windy day that stuff blows around and figure out a way to throw the garbage out so that the wind doesn't blow it all over the place and into the neighbors yard also.Sometimes I sit there amazed at what goes on and I just rub my temples because some guys just look at me like I'm the jerkof# and then I'll tell them to stop given me that dumb look and I wont buy them coffee anymore.Joe Carola
I wish all ya'll were the guys working on our new house. Total slobs. Butts everywhere, empty (or not-so-empty) soda cans, spilled coffee cups, leftover lunches, you name it. Inside and out. Disgusting. I found one bag of food in the summer that had been sitting around for awhile and had maggots crawling in it.
We even put big garbage cans with liners strategically around the house, but only a few are using them. Fortunately, the house is almost complete.
Construction waste is one thing--this is just garbage. Makes me wonder how they treat their own homes.
Leigh
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Makes me wonder how they treat their own homes
Sadly, I think they live with women that clean up their mess. Wives, or mothers...
Stacy's mom has got it going on.
Makes ya wonder where they pee........? Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
If the wet spots near my garbage cans are any indication, I think the answer to that one is, "wherever". This weekend I'm getting a 2-day, hands-on wiring class and then I'm installing a camera to see who's hanging around our house leaving scraps of ribs on the ground, eating the seeds off the sunflowers, and peeing next to our garbage cans. I'm not sure whether I hope it's my fiance's friends who leave beer cans all over when they visit, or whether I hope its the neighborhood bums.
LOL..
Ribs= can afford them
Sunflowerseeds = birds or MLB players
Peeing next to cans= dogs or someone who desires a modicum of pivacy, probly a smart person
That might get ya close..
Here is my next "strike" from BT...I'd look for a well dressed "identified" minority, with a bladder problem, with a decidely short path from kidney to the ground..
The shells in the teethm and baseball mud might be a clue
and also the rib sauce..
DO NOT sniff the rib sauce..and remember, the ribs could be from the affoermentioned dog..that started this whole thing
CSI Kentucky here, we got ya covered. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
Makes ya wonder where they pee........?
Did I mention there's no onsite porta-john? Pee is one thing, the other is another. We are in the woods, sorta, but all in all that is not something I want to think about.
Leigh
I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers)! I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers)! I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers). . .
I'm wondering why there isn't an onsite porta-john?
I actually write it into my contracts (I'm a framer) that the owner or GC is to provide one and that if they don't, I will... and pass the cost along... plus a little for office overhead and the aggravation factor.
Personally, I find it really insulting when I show up to a job and there aren't any facilities. What are we, animals? Around here a porta-john runs $105 a month with weekly stocking and cleaning. I want to spit when I see a job with a Sub Zero fridge, granite countertops... and not enough money in the budget for the workers to have a decent place to 'go'. Give me a break.
In a situation like that I wouldn't blame the workers for taking one in a box. Only thing they forgot was to leave it in the GC's front seat when they were done. The GC set the precedent by not providing facilities.....you get what you pay for.
Edited 11/15/2005 5:42 pm ET by dieselpig
Jobsite in rural Arkansas. I was surprised there wasn't one, but the GC's office is less than a mile from the jobsite (unusual for him), so maybe they're using his. I haven't figured out a way to ask where they go without embarassing myself, but DH could.
Is it the homeowner's responsibility to provide it? I wouldn't think so, I'd think it was the GC's.
edited to say that contracts with the subs are pretty loosey goosey here, too. It's a handshake kind of place.
Leigh
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Edited 11/15/2005 5:48 pm by Aberwacky
No, Leigh, I wouldn't say it was your responsibility to provide one.... but if you don't like seeing those boxes around or would like a little piece of mind... it'd be a well spent $100, no?
It would also send a message to your tightwad GC that, IMO, needs to be sent. His office being right down the street doesn't hold water with me. Who's paying the help to jump in the truck and run down to his shop? The GC, or the helper's boss? We both know that answer.
If I were you I'd relocate that box to the GC's front seat. All right... that's harsh, I know. I do think you should call him on the carpet and inquire about it though. If not for you, for the guys working at your house. It's just not right. Imagine if you showed up at your new job and found that there wasn't a bathroom... but you could use the one at your boss's house.... right down the street. How would that fly?
I'm not picking on you, and don't think any of this is your fault. But I've got your ear and thought you might want to hear the other side of the story.
I appreciate the information--getting the other side of the story is one of the reasons I visit Breaktime.
Breaktime University is the other. From time spent here I've been able to somewhat intelligently discuss details of the house construction with the GC and his subs, even if I am a girl (G). Even earned their (grudging) respect.
So, thanks, ya'll.
Leigh
I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers)! I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers)! I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers). . .
Agreed. When my DW was my helper/driver ( I lost my privledge to drive in NC for a spell)...and there wasn't a porta pot on site..I was actually steamed ( no pun..lol) that she'd have to find a wooded spot away from other workers and do the squat..that just ain't right.....
wimmen seem to need to pee a lot more than men, or I am just too conscious of the TIME she used to cost me.."hold this end of the tape" .."wait, I gotta peee.." over and over again. LOL
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
Personally, I find it really insulting when I show up to a job and there aren't any facilities.
Yup. I've solved that problem by taking a shyte in a bucket and putting it where the person with the check book has to deal with it. The honey wagon will be there the next day.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Having been subjected to flying for the USN, I can't fathomn that scenario ( well, once after a bad eggamuffin )..on site.
Around most parts o' the country, I think a porta pot is required when the scope of work reaches 5 bodies and no sanitary facilities are available in a certain radius..been too long to remember ........... Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
HOW ABOUT THAT REZ GUY? UH HUH? ...He ain't Silesien I bet....wimp
This is in rural Arkansas, outside any city limits. Only permits required to pull were for the septic system.
Come to think of it, the jobsite next door didn't have one either (different builder). Maybe it's not the norm here--I don't know.
Still doesn't excuse the slobness, in my opinion. How much trouble is it to throw your garbage in the trashcan instead of dropping it on the floor 5 feet away?
Leigh
I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers)! I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers)! I am a domestic goddess! I deserve three ovens (and two dishwashers). . .
"Did I mention there's no onsite porta-john? "
That is totally disgusting. It wouldn't surprise me if you have odors in your home for years to come because the workers didn't have facilities. It is the GC's responsibility, but it is your house. I'm just a homeowner, so I could be wrong, but I'd think at least some of those workers will take the lack of a toilet out on the project. And frankly part of me doesn't blame them - they are there to do a job, not be treated like animals. Their opposable thumbs entitle them to more than a bush. If I was building a home, I would not want that kind of fertilizer in my garden - it can carry all sorts of disease that is harmful to humans if not properly composted.
Whenever people come to my house to do work that takes more than an hour I always make it clear that the bathroom is available.
>>>I had one guy who kept dropping all these things on the ground and I told him to stop and then he did it again, so I picked up everything he threw on the ground and threw it on his front seat of his truck.<<<I did that to my 15 year old daughter with her dinner plates.Every time I made her dinner and she ate by herself in front of the TV she'd "always" leave everything there.
Put em' all under her blanket on her bed. Made her do the laundry as well as the plates.
Be dinner in bed
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
I'd probably have cut off the TV too. Better to have a conversation over dinner anyway. Our TV is on a different floor from the kitchen, so pizza/movie night is an event. All other dinners are eaten as a family as much as schedules allow.
As I said...I let her watch when she eats alone like when we're still working.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Since I moved away to go to college, that is one of th things that I miss the most. Its weird, I didnt much care when I had it , but know I miss it.
And I'm sure your family misses you at the table.
I used to do yhat with my stepsons - dirty dishes left around...in their beds! "Forgot" to vacuum...in their beds. After about a month, they started to act like responsible human beings.
I think its the same concept as training a dog...lol. You just have to keep repeating yourself till they understand....but I thing a dog learns quicker.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
you need tim hortons coffee!!, way better than mcd's
More than one site has a coffee urn. Best way, IMHO, is no additives and no cups provided.
People rapidly learn to bring their own cups. Most regular coffee drinkers have a mug in their vehicle. The plastic ones sold with their coffee at gas stations are best as they are durable, large and cheap. Most do a fair job of keeping the coffee hot as well. Also eliminates a lot of trash and people leaving their half finished drinks laying around.
If anyone wants to doctor their coffee up they learn to bring their own additives. Which usually get rapidly consumed by others. In the end most end up drinking their coffee as nature intended, black and hot.
My wife and daughter make fun of it, but I've been using the same insulated coffee mug for 10+ years. The company represented in the logo on it has been out of business for 8 years. Costs $.63 to get it refilled. I drink a lot of coffee, but very liitle gets tipped out of styrofoam.Birth, school, work, death.....................
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Working in Chicago(near UIC).
Garbage on the site brings out the rats!
They are there always but, you see them more when the site is unkempt.
Seen a few that were as big as cats!
Always have a box or garbage can at the break and lunch site and empty it after each.
It's not the job that irks me, it's my truck! I have one guy (great help BTW) that whenever he rides with me, he insists on throwing his Honey Bun wrapper out of the truck.
Now I've got $100 plastic Husky floor mats that hold a gallon of whatever you spill, and it's taken me months to get him to just throw it onto the floor (where it normally stays until I clean it out!) Not to mention 90% of the time we have a dump trailer on site that all my boxes/longnecks/trash I forgot to put out goes!
I cleaned out the truck box today and guess what I found!?! A Honey Bun wrapper, stuck to my new Ridgid gun!
Is it vacation time yet?Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
Jason,Come on man! You don't have to put up with that SH!T."I cleaned out the truck box today and guess what I found!?! A Honey Bun wrapper, stuck to my new Ridgid gun!"I would take that Honey Bun wrapper and stick it right on his face first thing in the morning right after he says good morning to you."Good morning Jason"... BAM!!! Honey Bun wrapper right in his F!CKIN face......F!CK him............that Dirtbag................Joe Carola
Edited 11/14/2005 12:04 am ET by Framer
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the BED of the truck...thank God for spray-in bedliner!Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
Jason, the first time anyone tossed anything out of my truck, would probably be their last time. Most likely, I'd immediately pull over and tell him to go find it if he wanted to ride the rest of the way.
Here in Michigan, the driver gets the ticket for littering. Even if they didn't, I wouldn't/dont allow anyone to litter out side of the truck, or inside. When I find their trash in my truck, I pick it up and walk it over to them and confront them. It's funny, but I've never had it happen twice by the same person.
blue
Yeah, I really do hate people who litter out of vehicles, mainly because every Sat and Sun AM I find a Bud Light box/can/bottle in my front yard from the idiot kids. I throw my crap into the floorboards until I get to somewhere I can properly dispose of it.
Of course, I've always been a neat freak.Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
Blue----not exactly littering but,
A couple years or so ago I was driving down the street with a helper in my company truck.
Helper leans out the window oggling some hot girls---might have said some stuff---I can't recall.
I told him----- " Don't ever do that in my truck again"----- Helper says---awww , Steve--- I'm young---you forget what it's like---you're old and dried up"
I told him----" If the day ever comes that we are driving down the street in a truck with YOUR name on the side----THEN we can act that way----but as long as MY name is on the door we aren't gonna behave that way."
A couple weeks later---same helper shows up to work wearing one of the company shirts I gave him---he has cut the sleeves off. I told him---" ya know--- I spent good money on those shirts so you WOULDN"T look like that."
A couple days after that ( we are roofing my parish church BTW )---he shows up wearing one of HIS ratty old shirts---not a company shirt.
I told him " Tommorrow , when you come to work---either wear the company shirt---or don't come at all "---- He actually had to fight back real tears--- " Steve---you just don't understand what it's like being poor and not having the money to do laundry, and my sisters clothes were in the washing machine---" boo hoo hoo
Of course---he had money for beer and cigarettes every day---just not laundry.
some of these guys just make me laugh----covered in tatoos---and wondering why they can't sell on their own.
Stephen
Amen on the general intransigence of many younger workers. Many times it has struck me how frequently it comes up that people supporting optional and expensive lifestyle choices like cigs, alcohol, barfly status, recreational drugs and video games think these diversions are entitlements guaranteed by some higher power. Suggest that they could do without a few cigs or beers or a bit less weed for a week so they would be able to afford to fix the car, or keep their clothes clean or buy basic hand tools and you would think I had suggested they pimp out their wife or sell a kidney. From what I can tell the first option wouldn't be out of the question.LOL.
4 lorn1,
a couple years ago I had the low level employee of a sub ( this guy was employed primarily to throw old shingles in a dump truck)
watch me standing in the shade---come over and state---kind of confrontationally---" YOU have the job I want to have"
What I thought was " should have thought about that before you covered yourself in tatoos"
what I SAID was " Well---you better be able to sell jobs then "
a lot of these kids---just do not grasp at age 20---that some of the decisions they make---some of the attitudes they form RIGHT NOW--- TODAY---will effect what they can do 5-10-25 years from now. some of the older ones---at age 30 are living the same life they lead at age 20---but they realize they are screwed----those are the dangerous ones.
Talking last week to a spouting sub---he asked me about a roofing sub I used to do business with---then mentioned another of the roofing subs employees " you know "tom" killed himself---jumped off the y bridge last year ". " tom" had a shaved head with a crown of thorns tatooed on his skull.
My wife says my problem is I am always trying to save these guys ( help)
but some of them-----what can I do ?
Stephen
" should have thought about that before you covered yourself in tatoos"
Reminds me of all the young women I see (yup, here in conservative SLC) with facial tattoos. Are they expecting to waitress in a coffee shop the rest of their lives? Did future employment opportunities even enter into their minds?
being poor and not having the money to do laundry, and my sisters clothes were in the washing machine---" boo hoo hoo
Of course---he had money for beer and cigarettes every day
Stephen, I know why you prefer to work without employees! I've always been amazed that these guys can afford beer, cigarettes and they can buy a lunch every day too. They also have a lot of extra time ontheir hands at night to drink the beer too! Then, they are always amazed that they are poor! LOL!
For many years, I simply refused to let anyone get in my truck and ride anywhere with me. LOL, I just remembered something! I took the passenger's seat out of a dodge work van that I had LOL! It was great. No one could ride with me. Ladders and lumber fit in quite nicely. It was the best work van that I ever owned!
blue
I occasionally work with with my brother, good carpenter but an absolute slob! Always littering clients laws with cigarette butts, food wrappers etc.. drives me out of my mind! What I have found is that it is incredibly hard to de-program someone like that. But this industry seems filled with slobs, which just contributes to the stereo types against us.But all this talk of food wrappers,coffee cups pales in comparison to the drywall crew that, would Oh, lets say " Drop a duce" in empty mud boxes! Has anyone else experienced this special treat?
I worked for a remodeler once who gave each of us a week's supply of company t-shirts with a breast pocket on each. He said the pocket was to hold your butts until you got home.Jason Pharez Construction
Framing & Exterior Remodeling
All reasons I work alone.
I was working today, and I had to move about 15 half empty coffee cups/Pepsi bottles. I was trimming a window sill that had become the coffee table.
I like my coffee as much as anyone. The maker starts percolating at 5am, I fix my travel cup for the ride in, the rest goes in the thermos. No fuss, no muss.
Stacy's mom has got it going on.
Edited 11/12/2005 7:58 pm ET by dustinf
Tim's chargers less for refills too, take your own mug ..
As other posters say - provide the urn. And a bowl of sugar. And creamo. I mean, we're missing a lot of ritual from the jobsite these days - what happened to the ceremony of "chaining the spoon to the counter", eh?
All the best...
To those who know - this may be obvious. To those who don't - I hope I've helped.