Hello All,
We have this garage door on the front of our Victorian house.
Besides it not looking very Victorian its beige plastic. I am looking for ways to disguise the fact that its a modern roll up door.
I’m thinking that if I painted it the house color that would probably do it. The door is plastic is there a good way to paint it?
What I would ideally like is to completely disguise the door. Anybody ever do anything like that for a customer?
Thanks,
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Edited 4/14/2006 2:26 pm by madmadscientist
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Well, Krylon makes that "Fusion" paint that bonds to plastic. I've used it on our city trash cans to make a solid black BG for the numbers. It sticks to the plastic quite well, but unfortunately the oil based spray paint I used for the numbers doesn't stick to the "Fusion" paint, it chips off. The color selection is very limited, but you might just get lucky with their blue. Take a chip of your house color to the store with you.
The all-out make a huge deal out of it approach would be to replace the surface plastic with wood matching the rest of the house. The problem would be making it light enough. Ask your garage door company how much weight you can add safely.
-- J.S.
The all-out make a huge deal out of it approach would be to replace the surface plastic with wood matching the rest of the house. The problem would be making it light enough. Ask your garage door company how much weight you can add safely.
Thanks John I guess that's what I am kinda looking for in approaches. I like to consider the way-out options (I am a mad scientist BTW).
If I could get a primer to stick to the plastic then I could paint it with the house paint.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Ask around for some tromp d'oile ("faux finish") painters--might could look like almost anything else when they are done.
Barring that, there are some companies that specialize in grage door conversions. Like these guys: http://www.carriagedoor.com/?source=AdWords&Campaign=Custom
Barring that, there are some companies that specialize in grage door conversions. Like these guys: http://www.carriagedoor.com/?source=AdWords&Campaign=Custom
Those are some fancy doors alright. I can't tell from looking at the site if they are cleverly disguised roll-up style garage doors or if they are single piece flip up doors. I want to keep the functionality of the roll up automatic garage door.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
I am sure that your door is a sectional door, not a rollup.As are the doors in that link.http://www.carriagedoor.com/aboutdoors.htm
I am sure that your door is a sectional door, not a rollup.
Ah yes sorry for not getting the terminology right. It is a section that slides up and back on a track.
Those doors are amazing in that link. It makes me want to get some 1/8" Luann and try something like that at my house.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
i think the door looks good, its the rest of the house thats ugly
i think the door looks good, its the rest of the house thats ugly
Huh? Am I confused here? Why would you feel the need to bag on my house? Did I piss you off in a different thread or something?
The worlds full of A-holes. I think folks should do what they can to not add to the worlds A-hole burden.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
it was a joke dude.
it was a joke dude.
Gotcha, maybe I'm more stressed out than I thought about my upcoming nuptials this Sunday. Sorry if I snapped at you..
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
"maybe I'm more stressed out than I thought about my upcoming nuptials this Sunday"
That, and the weather! Congratulations! Inside or out? Lots of great places in the Bay Area to get hitched!
That, and the weather! Congratulations! Inside or out? Lots of great places in the Bay Area to get hitched!
Worst possible scenario big fancy ceremony outside with certain 'elements' that are very important to the bride that can't happen inside.
The eating is inside. We are having it at the Dunsmuir Historical Estates in the Oakland Hills.
Thanks wish/pray for warm dry weather...then of course maybe a giant mosquito bloom at our dusk wedding.....
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Having been the father of the bride at 3 weddings over the last decade, I do understand how these things go. But still, Dunsmuir House! You're totally losing your Black Rock alterna cred, dude!
Enjoy the ride!
I'm building some carriage doors right now, foam center with 1/4" hardwood ply on the outside, osb on the inside. all glued together, with 2x4s around the edges. You could do that, or you could just start by gluing and screwing 1/4" ply on the front, and then painting it or adding trim. Do you have the clearance for that when the door is opening?
Seems like painting a ferrari on your garage door in oakland is just asking for a burglary. . .
zak
I checked out the door and I can probably fit 1/8" Luann on the outside I don't think that I have clearance for 1/4". Gluing wood to the outside will be my second choice if I can't get the paint to stick well.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Okay how's this for off the wall- Along the lines of he secret passage thread-Has anyone ever been asked to completely disguise the fact that there is a door there at all? Not sure how you could do it but that might be an interesting job.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Yeah, a big fake boulder should do it.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison
How about a different psychology? Carefully paint a faux scene of the garage door open, showing everything you WISH you had in the garage (i.e., the Ferrari, the Mazak turning center, the 4500-bottle cellar, the hydroponic greenhouse for that stuff, etc).
I think there's some potential here!
Forrest
Great idea McD.
How is the deck business?
Sorry to highjack the thread fellows.
Attached, a pic opf a deck we built on a 2.2 M dollar home a few years ago when we had a landscape / backyard improvements division. The deck surrounds the pool and is a total of 2500 SF.
The structure seen is for a Summer Kitchen, it has an unseen standing seam copper roof. I think it is inadequate for the home and area, but I did not design it, I just buiilt it. The deck is 2 x 6 rounded edge smooth sawn cedar. It was completed with the Summer Kitchen equipement and a wrought iron handrail. The HO had us stain it transparent blue.
Others did the pool. It was 2" out of square and 2" off of parrallel related to the house. We fudge here and there and made it work. The house and deck are on Buffalo Bayou in Bunker Hill (an upscale city within the Houston City limits). The Bayou is about 45 feet down an embankment from the deck level.
I had to backfill some areas with my skid loader on the enbankment, and woke up two or three times that night, dreaming that I was falling down the embankment in the loader.
During breaks we had fun throwing rocks at the large turtles that were daily sunbathing in the bayou.
This ~12 x 15' gets started Monday week -
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Forrest (- sorry about the hijack; I'm trying to learn to post stuff from AutoCAD!)
And your picture is where?
Forrest
Sorry guys, not much to see anyway.
Very nice. How'd you get to be invisible like that?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison
Buy some material that will survive outside and can be painted on. Flag type nylon, canvas, etc.
Cut it to match the folding sections.
Lay it out to match the door.
Paint with oil based paints.
Glue to door.
Spray with clear poly coat.I would use a picture of roses growing up wood trellises on a Vic.If you're adventurous, try lions and tigers.If you can't draw, go across the bay and find somebody.Good Luck
Tigger
Yeah, I think I'd consider having it painted as a faux carriage door. If there's enough "texture" is the paint job the "panels" in the plastic won't be particularly visible. Or , worst case, you could attach aluminum sheet to the door sections to flatten them.
Crazy Home Owner,
Your are in Califirnia where the suggested pic example may be more acceptable. You are a Crazy Homeowner and madmadscientist.
Why not do something like the attached pic?
I couldn't find the link to that pic <g>
Then I could not find anything "Victorian" <g>
Glad you found that.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Very cool picture..
Plant shrubery in front of it in movable planters. When you click the door opener, it engages to also pull the planters out of the way.
Kinda like the Bat Cave. You remember.
Frankie
There he goes—one of God's own prototypes—a high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.
—Hunter S. Thompson
from Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
why not just park a Lamborghini in front of it....I guarantee that no one will ever see the garage door....LOL
Where in Oakland? Are all the local "street artists" off work until the rain stops? Go away for a weekend.........they'll take care of your door for you - lol.
Just joshin', Dan.
By the way, can you say Fremont A's??? (giggle)
just paint the door the same color as the house.
just paint the door the same color as the house.
That was pretty much my original plan all along but I thought I would see if anybody had any creative ideas (serious ones that is)
Do you have any advice on how to get the paint to actually stick to the plastic door? Do you know of any good primers I could use and then use the same paint that I used on the house?
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Go to an RPS (real paint store) such as Sherwin Willies or Benny Mores and see if they have any suggestions.
Go to an RPS...
Can I use that... A LOT......Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Generally a 100% acrylic paint should work. No primer, just clean real well.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison
John Sprung gave you the best answer in the first reply to your question--did you miss it? Use Krylon Fusion paint--it is made to bond to plastic.
No I didn't miss it I was just looking for addiontial sources of info. Such as maybe someone else who had already done the exact same thing-I don't like reinventing the wheel. I checked consumer reports web site and they had this to say about painting plastic.
These paints stick on plastic
One of the toughest materials to paint is plastic. Paint often peels and flakes right off the plastic’s slick surface.
Krylon Fusion, a much-ballyhooed new spray paint, claims to be specifically formulated for plastic, to stick in one coat without sanding. We paid about $5 for a 12-ounce can. We also tested another new product, Rust-Oleum Plastic Primer, also formulated for plastic. We paid $3.50 for 12 ounces.
Both products can adhere to plastic, our tests show, but you can’t just spray away. The plastic must first be cleaned and wiped with paint thinner or, if weathered, ammonia. Instructions aside, a light sanding helps--especially with slick, “waxy” plastics known as HDPE and polypropylene. (They’re identified with a recycling symbol containing a 2 or 5, respectively.) Paints that didn’t make claims about coating plastic had trouble doing so.
We also found cheaper alternatives for painting plastic that stick as well: ColorSpray Premium Enamel Primer and ColorSpray Premium Enamel, in 11.75-ounce cans, which we bought at Wal-Mart for less than $2 a can.
In our tests, the Krylon, Rust-Oleum, and ColorSpray products adhered to plastics such as PVC, ABS, HDPE, and polypropylene. Those plastics are used for patio furniture, storage boxes, flower pots, and the like. With HDPE, none of the paints adhered unless we sanded the surface first.
Because Krylon Fusion is a one-step product, it wins on convenience although your color choice is limited. The Rust-Oleum and ColorSpray primers need a finish coat, but you may use any paint for that.
Do they hold up? We’re testing now and will report back in a future issue.
dI'll probably get shot by the consumer reports police for posting that....
It looks like the ColorSpray stuff is just what the doctor ordered. Scuffing the surface and cleaning with amonia makes sense also.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
You'd go trough about 20 cans of spray paint on that door.Folks successfully paint vinyl siding all the time, with acrylic paint.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison
You'd go trough about 20 cans of spray paint on that door.
Folks successfully paint vinyl siding all the time, with acrylic paint.
Yea I was hoping to find it in liquid form to be able to apply it with my HVLP gun.
I'll check out the acrylic paint also.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner
Oh, okay--and I see DanH had a good point--take many cans of spray paint to do the door. My bad.
Where in Oakland? Are all the local "street artists" off work until the rain stops? Go away for a weekend.........they'll take care of your door for you - lol.
We don't really have any graffiti here in this section of West O not sure why-but I'm glad for it.
You can have the A's but you have to take the Raiders too. The owner of the Raiders is such a crooked scumbag...arrgh.
Daniel Neuman
Oakland CA
Crazy Home Owner