Moisture accumulation at ridge beam, Solution? ridge vent ?
Hey everyone,
I have an issue on my latest project that baffles me., I can really use your collective thoughts and recommendations on this.
One room in the house, the bedroom is 14 x 13 with ridge beam at center and 12 ft high. The floor is concrete with hydroponic water, heating the slab. thermostat is set at 68. The finish on the ceiling is 1×6 t&g fir directly nailed to the bottom of the rafters. Cathedral style. Between the joists (2×6) is 5″ thick rigid insulation. The rafters are covered with 5/8″ plywood and on top of that is “Tyvek Roof Liner, premium roofing underlayment”. The finish roof surface is standing metal roof and the color is dark bronze. The metal roof has been on for at least six months. We have been through many bad rain storms here in California and not a leek in the place. Last Tuesday I get a call from the client his ridge beam is wet in the bedroom he noticed it at approximately 2:30 in the afternoon. it has never appeared before. I head over yep, about 2 to 3 inches down from the ceiling is moist and is the length of the beam except about the last 3 feet at the north end is dry. the following morning I return to see that it is now dry. I do a short investigation, remove vent cap to notice no moisture entering from the exterior. the client arrives haome later that same day and texts me, ‘It’s staring to get wet up there again, damn.” I reviewed the pictures taken of the project and no water lines are in the vicinity of the beam. There are no roof penetrations. I have posted a video I’ve taken showing what I have done to investigate , but I’m a carpenter and not a film editor so it is not of the best quality but should give hopefully enough information for a possible solution. The video may be viewed here.
http://mox90291.smugmug.com/Construction/construction/9991220_EdCdW#1188065669_U4mx7
The video is to help you with your thoughts and recommendations . After ruling out that no water is entering from the roof, there is no water pipe leaking inside the ceiling cavity. and remember that 3feet of dry beam at the north well there’s a roof from the other part of the house over that area of the bedroom roof. The only possibility I can come up with is atmospheric, the moisture in the ceiling cavity is condensation caused by a closed ceiling cavity. the architect did not specify any ventilation, ridge vent, in addition to lower vents at the bottom of rafters, possibly, as it would deter from the clean architectural look she was after. So now for corrective measures, a ridge vent running the entire length of the ridge is doable. Do I need to have vents at the bottom of the rafters to create a flow of air or does the heat accumulating and rising, exit the roof vent on it’s own .
Thanks in advance, Mox
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Vapor Barrier
I am no expert, but I sure do not like the idea of the ceiling boards nailed directly to the rafters without a vaporbarrier between teh two. Warm moist air will rise TO THE RIDGE. It will work through those boards, up along the beam and condense! SPary foam might have created a tight seal to the beam, but you said ridgid foam. THERE WILL BE GAPS and without a vapor barrier moisture will get in there.
Do you have an air space under the deck and on top of the rigid foam? If so a ridge vent would allow the mositure out, but I would bet some of that moisture working up through there would still condense.
So tear th eceiling out and put a vapor barrier up there???? Ug.
I'm agreeing on the board to rafter detail being the weak link.
And did not look at the video yet, off to the theatre in a short while.
But, are there any can lights in the ceiling? Airtite cans? Ceiling fan with a penetration?
I'm also not familiar with the Tyvek underlay. Is this a water barrier with taped joints (on the topside)? Condensation on a metal roof may be contributing to the problem (tho I would expect it to show up down lower on the roof).
since it's up top, seems like the envelop is allowing warm moist air up above and it's perhaps making it's way to the ridge and condensing there. The sheltered area under the other roof isn't seeing the temps that the rest of the ridge does.
Too bad
you didn't put your post in here with the rest. Now there really are two working threads.
Wonder if his was the auto double post?