been dealing with the beureucrtic county / state system fer a couple weeks…
hours are 06:00 – 18:00, M/T…
so today I get up before O’dark hundred and head out in a full blown blizzard to the county / state offices…
06:06.. and I’m #11 on the list.. sit and wait.. lite up the lap top… watch a movie… cruise the net and BT on their dime… so far so good…
10:20.. My turn…
Here ya go ma’am…
and the “THE EVIL ONE” says….
ah sir you need to “GO GET” a stamp for that.. and you need to “GO GET”… yadda… yadda… why did’t you tell me this last week… we did’t get this far… now “GO GET”….
can you tell me what else I’m lacking and…
you need to correct these short comings before we can proceed… please step aside… next!!!
(I had two days of this with the “THE EVIL ONE” last week)… one something not right and everything comes to “ALL STOP”
so much for so good so far….
10:22… out the door… round up the 2 stamps, 1 certificate, financial / insurance statement.. etc… etc…
think to self… what do they want this stuff for.. the rules change when nobody was watching…
11:15 back at the offices… I’m #47 now… second roll of tape because there dealing with #91… ouch… maybe it’s the 3rd or 4th roll… whimper..
lap top again .. now I got folks helping me watch a movie… (Shriek2 ’cause we watched Shriek1 earlier))
then.. the one we call “THE EVIL ONE” says…
sir ya gotta shut that down or leave… yur creating a disturbance… yadda.. tears me a new one in the process..
13:50… my turn again… got me “THE EVIL ONE”… (I think I’m gonna cry) Sir I can’t clearly read those type written document numbers…
What??? ya wanna borrow my glasses…
clearly not the the thing to say…
“THE EVIL ONE” says that all my “I’s” aren’t dotted and missed crossing some of the “T’s”… you gotta GO GET”… yadda….
Grrrrrrrrrr……
14:00… out the door… out into the raging blizzard again… snag a number on the way out the door… #80… look at the counter.. 4 or or somewhere’s close… awww man or something like that sortta kinda…
I’m back… 14:45… hey the numbers are moving pretty quick… numbers that are being called don’t have a body to go with them… cool…
15:20 I’m up… It’s “THE EVIL ONE” again… I know I’m gonna cry now… (but I got an ace in the pocket.. been randomly snagging numbers… hehehehe)…
yes ma’am.. did you say I was 80???
yes sir, I did…
Well I wasn’t when I came in the door I was only 57….
hear some chuckling and out right laughs from behind “THE EVIL ONE”…
Observe her facial expression and the wild look in her eyes…
UT-OH!!!! note to self: this lady has not got a sense of humor…
now I find I gotta cross the I’s and dot the T’s…
and now we have a smoldering bad attitude brewing here fer some reason…
16:00 out the damn door… more blizzard still… and back in less than 20 minets…
16:50… I’m up again..
New lady… and I’m #00 from the 27th roll…
I’ve either been reborn or I made centurian all in one day…
the lady starts to ROAR!!! big time…
looks over my paper work and proceeds to tell me to uncross the I’s and get rid of the dotted T’s and I don’t need this or that or… or ….or…
but whatser“THEEVILONE” said that…
I’m sorry she put you thru that but…. yadda.. yadda… yadda…
SAYWHAT!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr……
but you do need this one proformence document…. ahhhhh to late today to… are the folks still in the office that provide the documents… maybe.. what’s their phone #… it’s XXX-XXXX…. hello this is “THE COOL LADY” over at.. yaddda…. yadda.. and I need for MR… yaddda… yadda… yadda…. yes please…. the “FAX #” here is… yadda…
sir you will have to bring in a hard copy of those faxed documents by Thursday COB… faxed documents are ony temporily accepted…
could I have had that other documentation that I needed sent over and brought in hard copies tomorrow…
yessir….
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
17:10… out the door..
Have I got a plan for round 12 tomorrow… Hehehehehehehe… burned up – wasted so much of the day I couldn’t get it all done…
But I did stop in at a pretty good German resturant and get the lady and her husband a gift certificate for dinner.. and an anonymous thank you card…
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
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Good God man what kinda permit were you trying to get?
Blizzard? Please don't tell me you took the FORD! Did you at least bring O-R-E-O ( singing softly)?
Had a great meeting with some HO tonite on a sweet little kitchen deal.
He is the boss of another HO that recomended me--I just love when that happens-
So nice to walk in and you have some creditials right off the bat instead of starting from some mythacal negative number.
Mike
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
the Ford isn't running... LPC's...
Oreo stayed here... I figured "THE EVIL ONE" would request something she shouldn't and it would really go down hill from there...
'bout time you got a real break....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Edited 4/6/2005 1:23 am ET by IMERC
And I will bet that "The Evil One" had a big-ole wart right in the middle of her chin.. and "The Cool One" was a beautiful nymphet.
I always defer to the next in line when I get the one with a wart... history tells me that the wart is probably from practicing witchcraft !
No, not at all...
the "THE EVIL ONE" was real eye candy.. built like brick house... and the eyes... mmmmmmmmmmm.... even if they were cold...
"THE COOL LADY" seem to be an average looking lady... smiled with her eyes...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Oh you poor soul.... you had the dreaded "Babe Evil One". Doubly dangerous.
She enters the room... you think to yourself "hmmm, good looking lady". Then... the HAMMER drops (directly on your head). You get the attitude of "I'm perfect... you should be too". Ugggh! She shows off her ring (the one that she forced her subservient boyfriend to mortgage his Beamer for) at every chance. She lures you in with the eyes... then they turn black!
Little known fact... she has 6" spike heels back at her desk. The 6" heels are better for stabbing guys in the heart!
You have my sympathies. Did you at least see it coming... or did she pull the "smile and stab" maneuver?
Edited 4/6/2005 2:25 am ET by Rich from Columbus
when she spoke or was that mumbled or uttered her first words to me my thoughts were..
Great.. A box of rocks..
She had enough "glitter" to finance most any small nation fer a couple of years...
very angry and it showed... all is beneath her station..
but her attitude is more like.. "I'm perfect" nobody else is...
now I think she's making that box of rocks look like Mensa material...
I won't have anything to do with her again... she calls my number.. I'll pass to the next.. gotta hit the head... can't wait... go ahead bud.. tahe my turn...
ya know what I mean...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Did you ask her for her membership card from the "I was put on earth to make everyone who comes in contact with me miserable" Club? It is required of all members to produce their membership card when asked !
At least it appears she didn't have a squeaky voice... and mumbled instead. Nothing worse than a "Squeaky Babe Evil One" !! LOL
gotta hit the head... can't wait... go ahead bud.. tahe my turn...Go ahead "bud" ---oh you bad man--how can you say bud when you mean "sucker"Is this a example of " I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy"ROAR---Now I remember you ---I tried to find you in the can to "Thank You" but all I saw was you running down the stairs laughing--
" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
something like that...
gotta share the fun...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Just be careful when talking about her in the indoor out-house... she prolly stands up too!! She just might walk in on ya! ROF
Edited 4/6/2005 3:11 am ET by Rich from Columbus
hers are more than likely polished brass too...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Finally made it into the Tavern--caught the Rez thread--funny stuff--I can only imagine what that is all about--Ah the things we learn...." I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
he started it and now he wants to D&C...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
D&C--Now I know that GI stuff is still in your blood--Right up there with "I'm going in-cover my six"Usally right before disappering into a crawlspace that hasn't seen a human in 15 years--might be one reason I do finish work(G)" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
I remeber the drills from way back when...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
left-right-left-right--Are you haveing flashbacks yet?---right face-left-face-How about now?The DW was teasing me the other day about walking in step with her with out even thinking about it. She would stutter step and see how long it took me to change my stride to match her--Guess I always start with my left too--I don't even notice but she gets a silent giggle out of it.Catch up to you tonite?" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
It's really bad - in the flashback department - when you stand at parade rest while waiting for the light to change so you can cross the street.
It's really bad - in the flashback department When the compressor line lets loose and you drop and yell..." Incoming"The framer is out of nail and you call for more..... "Ammo"" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
I've perfected my own attitude for those types of babes. One that makes them nuts. I can't stand them.
so what is it???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Each situation is different of course and in your case it's the worse kind. You need something from her, and her whole game is to give the poor dolts of the world a hard time and to go out of her way not to accommodate them, (even though she is a civil servent and trained to do the opposite), all the while you're lusting after her hot bod and she knows it. It's a power thing with babes like that, plus they're probably tired of being oogled at even though they continue to dress in tight provocative clothing. Gee, I wonder why? They themselves are little mice caught in their little spinning wire wheel.
My solution for them has always been complete detachment. Ignore them, and if you must come into contact with them, treat them as they treat you with a big old cold shoulder. When they think they have you snared into their web I literally turn my back on them, or walk away, or don't answer them. Show more interest in and be kind and warm to the plain Jane at the next desk. Middle age married guys are the ones they love to torture but if you give back to them what they give out, usually in the end you will get more respect from them. Many guys are such schmucks around babes anyhow. I do extracirricular work with high schoolers and see this type of dynamic all the time and feel sorry for both parties.
I don't condone this type of interaction but this sort of person really bugs me and my solution is to give back to them what they dish out.
Look,
If you choose to live where you have to deal with all this CRAP then it's the way things are. You bought it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, life's a b!tch...
MOVE!
Or quit b!tching
Life is much simpler in many areas..., go there.
Poor baby...
be wise.
Get drunk, laugh it off, move on or move out.
It's your choice to be there.
Lee (keepin' company with Sam Adams, nice guy.)
Bad human!over the top...LeeMontanaFest
human????
missed that part...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yup, human. Before Ruthie would marry me she wanted it checked, seems a few of her friends and relatives planted some seeds of doubt about my ancestry.I'm human, I've got papers.And proud to be descended from pond scum.LeeMontanaFest
went out and found a copy of the Woodshop News...
nice work Lee...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Thanks.LeeMontanaFest
great idea....
the heat is too hot...
just a sec and I'll shut the kitchen down and we'll go fishing..
cooler's stocked
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Watcha building? A nuke silo? Sounds like our dealings with the city of Paducah last month. They love to break out of towners balls. And, well you know me. ;)
My favorite part was when the two city electrical inspectors came to a screaching halt in front of the job and jumped out Starsky and Hutch style (sans hood slide), checking licenses. I love to shut up a big mouth. Total joke. Guy overlooked one major violation. Improperly marked neutral which hadn't been marked yet, snooping and probing for some little obscure violation to gig us on. Total idiots. we
Hey! I sent you a private email in the system. Did you get it? I don't care if you choose to ignore me as long as you let me know you are doing it. :-) DanT
The one about the prison stuff? Yea I got it, then forgot about it, when I realized that your talking about Ohio and I was talking about Illinois. I meant to shoot you an email explaining that as a courtesy but put it off untill I forgot. Sorry.
wait till the one with the strapped on spit shined red hard hat showes up with his pockets stuffed full of flags.. military creases in the white -white shirt ya ever saw... and a god complex..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
military creases in the white -white shirt ya ever saw... and a god complex..
Oh, come on now, some of those are more fun . . .
"Hands in Pockets!?" "Take a Brace When You Speak To Me!" "Eyes in the boat!" "By the Numbers!"
But only some . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Sounds like you moved to luka's neighborhood - except he doesn't get blizzards
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yesteray and today I was back there...
half hour yesterday and 10 min today...
"The Evil One" was running sombody else ragged... I got the lady that helped me the other day...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
You shoulda taken the EVIL ONE a tube of KY !! LOL
Tube of KY... $6.00
Helmet to wear when presenting the "gift"... $35.00
The look on the EVIL ONE's face when receiving a tube of KY... PRICELESS!
do you think her desk woulda fit without the KY???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Helmet to wear when presenting the "gift"... $35.00
shouldn't that be...
double reinforced cup... 49.95...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"I got the lady that helped me the other day..."
Well THAT sounds promising...
(ya gonna finish that or just leave us hanging? stop NOW. I see the wizeazz remark a'comin...stifle it for once please)Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most!
so all of the paper work is in, I think...
not that kind of got.. the other of kind of got... and she figured out where the gift certificate came from...
things are looking more gooder...
"The Evil One" seemed to be doing to others what she did to me...
no wonder they won't allow weapons in gubbermint facilities...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
things are looking more gooder...
THAT's good to hear!
no wonder they won't allow weapons in gubbermint facilities...
I'm sorry! I'm still chuckling over that line...cuz you know where I work...so it just struck me as too funny!!!Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most!
real one's.. not those kind..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
U work at the post office now hunh?
Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!
U work at the post office now hunh?
I WISH! Them (*&#%*# civil servants got the BEST dental plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most!
so all of the paper work is in, I think...
So you can go ahead and contruct the tower on top of the house for the double ma-deuce?
jt8
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers
Edited 4/8/2005 12:47 pm ET by JohnT8
double ma-deuce?Nice choice in home protection--" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
there are so many "niccer" mike-mikes" to pick from....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
there are so many "niccer" mike-mikes" to pick from....
I get the strange feeling you're supporting non-Merican companies.
jt8
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers
Such as?M-60, M-249, or maybe a nice 30-30 remington?" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
Vulcan..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Vulcan..Thought they were 4-packs.......Anti-air Right?" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
gatling guns... 20, 25, 30 and 40 mike-mike
anti- anything...
quads were usally 50's...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
gatling guns... 20, 25, 30 and 40 mike-mike
Yeah, I like a gun that if i hold my finger on the trigger more than 10 seconds, I MELT the gun! Lets see at 6k rounds pm, that 10 seconds would burn about 1k rounds. And at $0.50/ea that's only $500 for 10 seconds of fun (plus the price of new barrels).
And I'm thinking it won't have the range of Ma.
But if you wanted to fire a vulcan, you needed to be at that show I posted a link for. I'm sure SOMEONE had one there! They have EVERYTHING there! And its all PRIVATE collectors! How exactly does someone go about legally aquiring a 20mm vulcan? Or a 40 grenade launcher?
jt8
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers
Edited 4/10/2005 11:17 pm ET by JohnT8
discreetly
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the sustain rate of fire for those is usally 72/7600 per minute...
my 20mm is 11 to 35$ a round... 5600 meter effective LOS...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
the sustain rate of fire for those is usally 72/7600 per minute...
my 20mm is 11 to 35$ a round... 5600 meter effective LOS...
But you really don't need depleted uranium rounds to bring down a coyote. :)jt8
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers
we leave the coyotes alone... it's for the pickets and whistle pigs...
we can cover 4 or 5 neighborhoods from one location..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Back to the orginal discussion.http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/10/MNGDHC62EP1.DTLMaybe this is her background."An odd twist for an ex-dominatrix
S&M specialist-turned-bureaucrat says she endured harassment from her superior -- a former client"
maybe...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
we leave the coyotes alone... it's for the pickets and whistle pigs...
OK, I think there's a small, prop airliner called a whistle pig, but I'm going to assume you mean groundhogs. :)
You lost me on the 'pickets'.
jt8
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers
Wyoming Richardson ground squirrel... about the size of 6" long 2x2...
they are always standing up looking like a horse picket..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
prairie dog?
jt8
Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. -- Leo Tolstoy
nope... ground squirrel..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
nope... ground squirrel..
ha ha, I can just imagine what a 20mm cannon round would do to him. 22 is probably about as high I'd waste on a rat. You just need more falcons or coyotes to clean them up.
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Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. -- Leo Tolstoy
John,
Generally speaking, In America, if you can buy a shotgun at Wal*Mart, you can buy any of the weapons being displayed and used at this shoot. There was a ban on manufacture of new machine guns for sale to the general public that took effect on May 19, 1986 and has had the effect of driving the price of these guns into the stratosphere, so you will also need a pile of money, but other then that minor little inconvenience, what the hey :) This has also put quite a few guns into the investment category for quite a few people.
These guns are all regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) (enacted April 16, 1934). This act was created in response to the St. Valentines day massacre and mob violence spawed by prohibition and was the first legislation regulating firearms ownership in the U.S. Prior to this act, you could purchase machine guns (Thompsons) via the mail or make your own sawed off shotgun without having to answer to anyone. That NFA covers machine guns, suppressors (silencers), short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, destructive devices (bigger then 50 cal), and any other weapons (sawed off shotguns with pistol grips). Interestingly enough, when it was passed, that act also applied to handguns, but that requirement was quickly dropped. The act puts a $200 transfer tax on all of these weapons, except for a $5 tax on any other weapons (AOW).
Another thing to remember is that although these guns are legal at the federal level, they might not be legal in your state.
James Bardwell has an excellent FAQ on acquiring these weapons on the subguns.com website. He mentions that the only case of a legally owned machine gun being used in a crime (that is in the press or know about anyhow) happened in Dayton, OH and it was a cop who shot a drug informant with his (the cop's) personal machine gun. Bardwell cites the appropriate cases in the FAQ. He also has a table showing what is legal in the different states, but I don't know how up to date that information is.
For people who want these type of guns, the process is to go to a local class 3 firearms dealer or another local individual with the weapon. You must go through a class 3 dealer if the weapon is not in your state. After you have found a weapon of your choosing and gone through the appropriate negotiation, you go to your local law enforcement officials and get signoff on a set of form 4's for the particular weapon you are buying. After the LEO signs off that you are not a criminal, you send the paperwork with $200 to ATF and wait somewhere between 90 and 180 days for ATF to approve the transfer. After that, the gun is yours.
BTW, the $200 is a one time transfer tax that is paid when the gun changes ownership. This was the way congress got around that pesky little wording about not infringing on the right to keep and bear arms that our founding fathers put into the constitution. You can leave the gun to you heirs without them paying the tax.
If you ever get the chance to go to a machine gun shoot, you should avail yourself of the opportunity. The people there are always willing to talk about guns and bring someone new into the fold. You would be amazed how many guys will hand you a $20,000 Thompson or even a $75,000 M-240 and tell you to knock yourself out (following all of the range safety roles of course). I have yet to have someone shoot one of my guns and not go away with a huge grin.
Steve
How exactly does someone go about legally aquiring
Find a dealer who has what you want for sale at a price you will pay (full auto M2 is about $5-10k);
$200 "transfer tax" payable to the Treasury Dept, by way of BATFE;
A Form 4, complete, no abbreviations;
A Set of fingerprints by a recognised agency (like the Co Sherrif's Ofc.);
Two passport photographs;
A letter from CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) in your residence's jurisdiction granting permission;
and,
4-6 weeks wait
Will generally do the trick. There's some additional complexity for AOW and "Destructive Devices," but that covers it, IIRC.
"Discrete" also applies.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
If you have an incorporation, it will bypass the LEO letter. Also, it has to be legal in your states. Most states it is, some not.BTW, it usually takes alot more than than 4-6 weeks.Also, they can come in and inspect your home at anytime they want with an appointment of course. There are other stipulations as well after you have it. Too much to explain here.I'm planning on getting a silencer (AOW) this summer.>>>>There's some additional complexity for AOW and "Destructive Devices,"Actually the DD's is the worst. You have to account for every round. AOW is not too bad. The quickest too in alot of experiences.
As a preface, IMERC, Sorry to further hijack your thread, I feel for your situation with the less then average crowd.
ACI, I would like to expand on your assertion that "they can come into your home and search at any time". This statement has gotten quite a bit of press over time, but it is not quite correct. The truth here is that if you got though the process of getting an Federal Firearms License, ATF can come into your place of business and search that premises unannounced. It doesn't matter if you sell only regular firearms, or get an SOT (special occupational tax stamp that allows you to sell NFA firearms or destructive devices). If your place of business is your home, then ATF can basically come in anytime and search for anything without a warrant, although the courts have held in limited cases that busting down the door at 3 A.M. to inspect your transfer logs is probably not appropriate.
As a private Joe Blow citizen, you don't give up your rights to search and seizure when you buy a machine gun or any other firearm regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934.
Also, it usually takes somewhere between 90 and 150 days to do a transfer to an individual. Corporate transfers typically go through in about 30 - 45 days.
Also, a silencer is technically called a suppressor and is not an any other weapon. The transfer tax on an AOW is $5. The tax on machine guns, suppressors, short barrel shotguns, short barrel rifles, and destructive devices are all $200. Getting local signoff for these might be easier for AOW's, but once the paperwork goes to BATFE, they are all treated identically.
The definition of an AOW is kind of detailed, but it boils down to a pistol configuration of a short barrel shotgun with the barrel length between 12 and 18 inches. As a side note, you can't take a shotgun that has had a butt stock on it, saw off the barrel, put on a pistol grip and call it an AOW. You need to find a shotgun receiver that has never had a stock on it to make an AOW. I don't have any form 4's in front of me right now, but I think that a pen gun might also fall into the AOW category, although it is more likely to be regulated just like machine guns.
The destructive devices such as 20 MM anti-tank weapons are no different then the other NFA weapons in that you can buy and posses the ammo without any paperwork. I think what you guys are referring to is that for some of the DD's, the ammo is also a DD - think M-209 grenade launcher. In this case, you need to do a transfer for each round of ammo that you buy and when you shoot these toys, you have to send in paperwork to show that the ammo was destroyed. At $200/transfer for each round of ammo, it gets kind of expensive to go out and shoot your mortar all afternoon.
On searching your home, you are correct that you give up no search and seizure rights. Didn't mean to word it quite that way. But, they can schedule an appointment to inspect I do believe and you do have to let them in with an appointment, where without one, the only way they are coming in my house is with a warrant. From what I understand however, that hasn't really happened to anyone. They usually don't inspect.>>>>Also, a silencer is technically called a suppressor and is not an any other weapon. The transfer tax on an AOW is $5. The tax on machine guns, suppressors, short barrel shotguns, short barrel rifles, and destructive devices are all $200. You are correct. My bad. What I meant was that I wanted to get an AR w/11" barrel too (plus the suppressor). Don't know how I missed typing that in. No argument from what you posted. I was pretty vague and left things out when I posted....My bad;)
Also, they can come in and inspect your home at anytime they want with an appointment of course.
Now, my understanding of the Federal Law is that only a Class III dealer has to submit to home inspection if NFA items are stored there. Seems like this was a topic in a recent Small Arms Review. Now, state-to-state, that could vary. Also, at least in Texas, having a corporation is no improvement on the process (you need a willing Sherriff more than anything else).
I'm planning on getting a silencer (AOW) this summer.
Both the AOW and the Silencer? (It's my understanding that those are separate excepting integral to firearm). Cool. There's a pretty sweet Walther P-22 package out there that is very tempting. Although, I do have to admit, that if a windfall comes my way, I'm more likely to take advantage of the SBR deals out there.
AOW is not too bad. The quickest too in alot of experiences.
Well, yeah, about the only thing easier is a C&R transaction. I've just never really found an AOW I wanted--a personal preference thing, nothing against a Krinkov or a coach gun.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
>>>>Also, they can come in and inspect your home at anytime they want with an appointment of course.>>>>Now, my understanding of the Federal Law is that only a Class III dealer has to submit to home inspection if NFA items are stored there. Seems like this was a topic in a recent Small Arms Review. Now, state-to-state, that could vary. Read above. I explained to bear what I meant.>>>>I'm planning on getting a silencer (AOW) this summer.>>>>Both the AOW and the Silencer? (It's my understanding that those are separate excepting integral to firearm). Cool. There's a pretty sweet Walther P-22 package out there that is very tempting. Although, I do have to admit, that if a windfall comes my way, I'm more likely to take advantage of the SBR deals out there.Same thing...read above...I musta been somewhere else while typing as my intent got totally FUBARed.>>>> Also, at least in Texas, having a corporation is no improvement on the process (you need a willing Sherriff more than anything else).Well, that part of the law is Federal. Not state. A corp. will negate the signature evrywhere it is legal to own one. I can back that up pretty easily. Even in Texas. HOWEVER, when the Corp. gets the weapon, It is the Corporations, not your specifically. If the Corporation is no longer, you have to get rid of the weapon. That's the downside. Plus afew more details but I'm kinda tired right now.
musta been somewhere else while typing
Tha's ok, we've all been there (and stayed that extra hour in the Tavern <G>
Who're you looking at for the can? I'll admit to some bias in liking the Gemtechs--but have looked at some others with more than a passing glance.
I'd be inclined to get a can that would work with a regular upper as well as the 11" SBR--but that's me, I'm not exactly sold on the M4-length barrel in 5.56mm.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
I like the Gemtech HALO because it is able to quickly attach securely to a 22 mm standard NATO specification flash hider without the use of tools.Not set in stone though. I would like one that works w/both the shorty and 16"-20" though.>>>>I'm not exactly sold on the M4-length barrel in 5.56mmMe either. Only because I don't like the ballistics. BUT, it will only be used for shorter range target practice and a secondary home defense weapon. (First defense is my Springfield Armory 1911). I hope I end up being happy with it. Especially after the process I'll have to go through (which I'm dreading).
I don't like the ballistics
I know that feeling. Or. maybe it's just the muzzle flash.
Now, in the world of very tempting would be a Halo put on the .22LR M4 upper (which has correct profile). Much, much easier to get ammunition matched to the task that way. Of course, reality spoils these things.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
One of toughest decisions I made in service was giving up the M-60 for corp. stripes--and a fire team leader slot--But this paid off 2 years later when I got my E-5 and a APC commander slot cause it came with a turret and a mount for a -----can you guess---M-2 .50cal. Oh yeah thems were the days--Split trained with an Air unit and got a turn in (what I thought was a Vulcan) a Quad 50 on a ball swival were you sat in the middle of it all and aimed skyward--Towable on a trailer chassis if IRC.You have no idea how many memories have come back to me latetly--I enjoyed my time in service but with a young family and all I don't think I would enjoy it as much now.Mike" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
double ma-deuce?
Nice choice in home protection--
Friend is heading down to West Point, KY tomorrow for a gun show. Can't remember what the thing is called, but it specializes on automatics, flame throwers, explosives and such. Kind of amazing some of the items which are privately owned!
[edit] OK, I found it:
http://www.machinegunshoot.com/
jt8
Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers
Edited 4/9/2005 12:51 am ET by JohnT8
Ya can't beat a M-2 for that "reach out and touch someone" kinda range--When you can split an engine block at 1800 M. you know you are king of the neighborhoodNow before I get all knida flack for liking guns the only thing I own is a 22 rifle and even that is 75 years old and hasn't see a round in more than 20 years.Being a vetern has some bennies--if only in experience" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
Adam Savage---Mythbusters
Hey ! I was there this weekend! I only live 30 minutes away. I posted about it in the tavern I guess we missed each others threads.
56803.1
"A problem cannot be solved by the same thinking that created it." Albert Einstein
tomorrow for a gun show
That's no mere show, that's the Knob Creek shoot. "EmmaGees" from all over, with some of the coolest toys, too.
It's on my list of cool things to go do.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
(pppsssstttt - buddy...just a little quick inquiry here...HOW GOES THE WAR WITH THE BUREAUCRAZIES?)
Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most!
wish it could be better..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Edited 4/13/2005 2:30 am ET by IMERC
Roh Roh.
Doesn't sound too encouraging...
(Shoot me an email - will ya?)Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most!
IDFCAM....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
the engineer says..... yadda....
tired of it...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I thought you were living in the boondocks. Whats with permits?! You wanna put a new building up, they'll never know ;)
jt8
Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. -- John R. Wooden
it's all about money.... no more ... no less... and those that want to play god, think they can and will...
spent almost 74k (not my money) so far and nothing to show for it... other than a migraine...
like last week, there was what seemed a time consortium ripple in the flow and of course me and the Engineer seem to be the only ones that noticed... PO'd the Engineer big time and now she's about torn all of her hair out and has gone on a head hunt...
besides this county does routine airial fly overs and monitors the building materials leaving the yard... you just won't get away with anything...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Don't suppose you could explain to them that you don't believe in governmental agencies and refuse to acknowledge the authority of said agencies?
Oh wait a minute, you're in the wrong state.
;)
jt8
Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out. -- John R. Wooden
or become an atmosphere installer...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!