Need info on making multibeaded trim.
We are remodeling our house and I saw some trim I liked that is approximately 3.5″ wide by about 3/4 thick, with the center 1/3 being convex with multi-beading about it(see attached pic1 & pic2). I have been looking at the profile and trying to find a router bit that is concave with multi-beads that could make this profile, but to no avail. I found a full bead bit in a catalog(see pic3) showing that it can do the profile, but how would you go about it with that bit, Jigs? I’d just buy the trim but they can no longer get it. It would also be kind of self satisfying to make this trim myself. I looked into getting the trim done by a mill shop but it would be prohibitive for the amount I need.
Any ideas or suggestion would be appreciated.
Also, any ideas for a window stool look on a casement window that are not made for a stool(see pic4).
Thanks,
Calhoun
Replies
I wouldn't dream of making something that detailed with a router or router table.
But then, I have a Williams and Hussey moulding machine.
The profile you show is called reeding or reeded - as opposed to fluted.
The base piece is more common but the reeded center is the hard part. Keep looking.
Som e google words to try -
White river hardwoods
Dykes Lumber
Architectural millwork
Also "They can't get it anymore" is a way overused term that means "we decided that it is too much trouble for us to bother with anymore."
If you can find the manufactureers name, you can find somone to retail it to you or order online directly from the manufacturer. I refuse to accept that a profile like that is being taken off the market. The architectural millwork segment of the industry is a growing sector. I think it is your local.
Somebody else here may have to connection you need.
Good luck.
Excellence is its own reward!
Might cost you up front but if you have a need now or see yourself doing custom moulding in the future you should invest in a planer/shaper. You can grind your own knives to any profile. Williams and Hussy has a nice unit and some of the posters here have it. The mill shop I frequent has an OLD, OLD stationary machine but they must have a couple hundred different knife sets. Develop a good relationship with one of your local, smaller mill shops and I'll bet you can get a very good rate on even short runs.
I have a couple of short sticks of that beaded profile but I just hang on to them because they're different. I'll bet you could order that beading bit and the the vender would tell you how to set up your run.
For the stool, I would experiment with a couple of different bits to get a pleasing profile. Use 5/4 or 6/4 material or glue up a couple of 1 bys to whatever thickness. You can then cut off (rip) the profile, joint it and glue it to the edge of the bottom jamb. Sand off the glue line and presto, instant stool.
Yeah, Ralph, I forgot about the stool question. There's nothing wrong with that casement for a stool. The profile piece just gets glued to the base piece that is there now. Open the window and a couple of quick clamps for an hour while you work on another window and voila!.
Excellence is its own reward!
We put stools on casements all the time, and there's no "viola" about it. Biscuits and trim screws, add the returns, then bondo and sand But hey, it's worth the effort, even you don't speak French<G> EliphIno!
do you have a shaper? if you do, have the knife ground or find a local guy to run the molding on a williams hussey planer or shaper. Call 1-800-cut-rite (Ballew saw) I think they still charge $15 per inch per knife for grinding. There is a grinder machine made by Viel that costs around $700(I think). You can find them advertised in Fine Woodworking. I bought one 5 years ago for $600(I think) and have nevered regretted it. One job paid for the machine. I believe that I have seen one of the mdf molding companies that has the same/similar profile. I don't remeber where and I am in Calif. White River suplied a similar molding for a job out here 8-10 years ago, but it was alot thicker. What are the measurements of the molding and what lenghts do you need?
you were looking at Ferche mouldings, why don't you see how much they run a foot?
i think running your own mouldings is the acme of endeavor, for an heirloom piece. but for casings, why not just buy it and cut it to fit.
i remember acquiring about a hundred feet of the shell profile from your pix and it was about 3.50/ foot. well worth it for a trim job.
just my .02. rg
Biscuits, schmiscuits. What you need there are a few pocket screws to attach that sill - no glue, no muss, no fuss. Pocket screws I tell ya, best thing since...since...well, they're not as good as ice cream...or cold beer...or pneumatic nailers...or a good woman making those sweet little sleeping sounds next to you...or when the customer walks up as you're loading your truck with their checkbook and a big smile...or staying up late Friday night because you don't have to work Saturday...hmmm, lets' see here...
Well, they're pretty danged handy. How's that?
<g>
Is that a rocket in your pocket, or are you just glad to see us? EliphIno!
hehehehehehe. Hey! Bar be que weather in these parts. Just today a customer handed me a bag full of trimmings from his apple tree after telling me how much they enjoy throwing a few on the coals.
I got an unexpected free day tomorrow. Just might have to marinade some pork shoulders and fire up old Smokey Brinkmann...yeah, that might be a plan...maybe some orange and yellow bell peppers in olive oil...a few shrimps for appetizer...goll, I think I'll go to bed early, just so tomorrow will get here faster.
Jim,
Ever tried asparagus on the grill?
If you like asparagus mmmmm goooder on the grill.
Either flat on the grill and basted in butter....or because I love butter
on one of those vegetable things for a grill, (kinda like a cookie sheet but different) a 1/2 stick of butter melted and let them sizzle in there with some salt fresh lemon juice.
Love veggies off a grill.
NeilView ImageGo Jayhawks..............Next Year
Stop - Oh Stop!
Torture of this kind is not approved here.
I've gotta go fing something else to eat now - and I was doing so good....
Excellence is its own reward!
Wha, so the little Brinkman only smokes when the weather's jus right? Webers don't care what time of the year it is, or, who's using' them (lucky for me)...I'm still nursin' that alder, thought about you last week when I split a l'il slab off to smoke some salmon. Hey, just a dab 'll do ya.
Now, after I pocket screwy my sills on, you gonna come by and fill those gol danged holes? We'll have hickory smoked bluefish after you're done.... EliphIno!
Screw 'em from the bottom and we can skip the jobsite and head right for the portch.
Gonna use about 1/3 hickry, 2/3 apple for smoke. Might even make some jerky for the missus. She lets me sleep up on the bed when I do that.
Good dog<G> EliphIno!