Need the best diy book on siding a house
Hi.
Anyone recommend the most comprehensive and well written and well illustrated book on siding for a do-it-yourselfer?
Thanks
Hi.
Anyone recommend the most comprehensive and well written and well illustrated book on siding for a do-it-yourselfer?
Thanks
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I called the siding company and they sent me a small book with the details. Georgia-Pacific, I stiil got it and its dated 1989!
pizza, What type of siding are you talking about? While the idea of siding is very similar for all products (shedding water), many are gender specific.
Most companies that supply the different products have a pretty good manual of best practice, along with specifics to retain warranty.
A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Before the No Call list I used to get calls from companies selling siding all the time.I used to drive then crazy. Brick, stucco, B*B, aluminum, FC, etc are all "siding". Of course they where talking about selling vinyl.But when they asked about siding I would tell them that all house have siding. Have not seen one yet with any..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
Brick, stucco, B*B, aluminum, FC, etc are all "siding". Of course they where talking about selling vinyl.
I learned that in UK "siding" is a building where they park trains. I was on another discussion board talking with a guy about siding and he couldn't figure out where the heck I was going to find one made of vinyl!
Also, wondered why the heck I wanted one, if maybe I needed a really huge work shop.
It didn't become clear that we were discussing what to do about the rails.~ Ted W ~
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Best book you'll find covering all the basics.
http://store.taunton.com/onlinestore/item/tauntons-for-pros-by-pros-exterior-siding-trim-and-finishes-070741.html
Translation: For pros, by pros = The right way, not the wrong way.
~ Ted W ~
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Edited 4/9/2009 7:46 pm by Ted W.
And then come back here and ask questions if you get stuck!>G<
Yes, but isn't that just a compilation of articles from Fine Homebuilding?
That is great but sometimes I find that different methods from different people often results in subtle conflicting techniques and methods, subtleties that sometimes matter alot when it comes down to details. Then you're left with deciding on who's right and which is the better method. For instance, some say to start your reference line for the siding by measuring up from the foundation where as some say to measure from the soffit downward.
Does this book this book show well illustrated details? I find that alot of times when a book describes construction techniques they will describe it in copius amounts of verbage and then neglect to actually illustrate it properly whether in photos or drawings. Sometimes there is just one little view or detail I need and it's not there and I'm left scratching my head.
Is this book written in such a way that it takes you from start to finish in all aspects of a siding job. Is it edited correctly that way? Or do these various articles jump around alot?
Also I find that compilations of articles like that often focus on specialty homes and houses and do things that I'm not really going to try because my home is just a simple "blue-collar" Cape style home (considered 1 1/2 story) and not some fancy bungalow or McMansion etc. Or alot of articles will be talking about cedar shake wood or fiber cement siding, in other words things I'm not using, and now I've bought a book half of which I don't need to read.
So what kind of book is the Taunton For Pros by Pros on Siding really like? Anything like what I'm trying to avoid as described above?
I hope that I'm not asking for too much because sometimes I do and never get it. I'm not afraid to say that I have high standards, especially when it comes to building things and doing it right.
To answer the guy who asked about what kind of siding I intend on using- I intend on using a vinyl type product maybe like the Crane Siding products with a foam insulation already behind the siding. I understand that they have some of the thicker wall thickness vinyl siding out there (at least that's what they say).
<<<I hope that I'm not asking for too much because sometimes I do and never get it. I'm not afraid to say that I have high standards, especially when it comes to building things and doing it right.To answer the guy who asked about what kind of siding I intend on using- I intend on using a vinyl type product maybe like the Crane Siding products with a foam insulation already behind the siding. I understand that they have some of the thicker wall thickness vinyl siding out there (at least that's what they say).>>>>>You're contradicting yourself...<G> NTTAWWTDid you try the crane website:
http://www.exteriorportfolio.com/EP/Customer_Care/technical_information.aspxHere is a good install manual from the Vinyl Siding Institute:
http://www.vinylsiding.org/aboutsiding/installation/manual/
Barry E-Remodeler
OK OK I knew that when I wrote that. :-) Vinyl siding for someone who has High standards? HA! My wallet wins in this one.
At least I'd like to get the better quality vinyl siding . Or did you also mean that Crane products are not good?
Nothing wrong with Crane, I've used it with good results.The VSI manual is fairly comprehensive as far as vinyl siding install....what kind of info are you looking for?
Barry E-Remodeler
Since you asked...
You see, I'm getting married this year, and I'm trying to save costs (and have more in my bank account when the wedding bill comes due) by doing this job myself. I consider myself pretty handy and have done alot of home improvement projects on my own with great results I think. Plus we're figuring on selling the place and moving soon.
First off, I want/need my house to have good curb appeal. With the T111 siding on it now, the house is not a "looker". Don't get me wrong, the T111 is in great shape, but it's not really gonna help.
The job isn't too huge because the T111 only covers the front of the first floor of the house and of that, only the upper two thirds of the front, because the lower third is faced with brick. The two dormers projecting from the front of the roof are also T111'd and that will also need siding. The other three sides of the house are stuccoed.
I was going to start a new thread onthis project, but since I'm here, I want to ask if I should just side right over the T111 since it's in great shape already.
One small detail that I need help on, too, is how to deal with the small drip channel that currently is installed right where the T111 meets the top of the brick. IMO it is a place just wicking up/in water because of how it was installed, just jammed and bent in under the T111. Plus wouldn't it get in the way when I go to install the siding over that?
Also my third question is when I get to the corner of the house, where it makes the transition from T111 to stucco, how do I trim that correctly and nicely?
Thanks
I want to ask if I should just side right over the T111 since it's in great shape already.>>>>>>>>>>..
yes
One small detail that I need help on, too, is how to deal with the small drip channel that currently is installed right where the T111 meets the top of the brick.>>>>>>...
I like to bend a pice of aluminun L shaped with less than a 90 degree bend. Up 3" out 2"
Also my third question is when I get to the corner of the house, where it makes the transition from T111 to stucco, how do I trim that correctly and nicely?>>>>>>>>>.
J channel, using same color caulk as the siding against the back of J channel.
See how easy? Wait until you do the doghouse dormers!
Thanks BTW. I already visited those sites and have that manual.
One point to make. The thicker is better is not accurate at all. It all is in the installlation.
I personally in my younger years have installed 1000's of squares of siding, from the thinest recycled product to the thickest Royal products. At the time it was 50thousan thick. The only advantage to having the siding with the insulation attached it to actually make it hang a little better, negliable at best. There is almost virtually no insulation value in the product.
You can buy the least expensive product, as all new home builders do, and have it properly installed and have the same look as the most expensive. I personally thing that vinyl siding is now a commodity and you should pay the least you can, and to get your favorite shade.
As fare as installation of the vinyl, if you have VSI handbook for installers, it will cover most everything to know. Like I said before, start the project, and if you run into questions about specific problems, come back and ask. We will help you.
Hadrie and its clones is really good stuff. wears well too- wont crack in the sun eventually like vinyl
Wow, you guys are awesome thanks for the offer to help with some advice!
I've posted a pic of my house in my reply to Barry also with some questions I have.
Thanks again!
Pizza, You are going to need to concentrate on that siding to brick connection so you don't have problems down the line. Any metal was to try and flash the transition. It justs sits down to the brick, going up behind the T-111. There's very little slope on that brick cap.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
I dunno. I think at $150+ a square just for materials, Craneboard (or Alcoa's Structure, which I put on my place) is about as high a standard as vinyl can get. Sure as hell feels like it when you're writing the checks. : )
Nice exposure width (I have double 6"), pretty solid, good insulation properties. Looks as much like a real wood lap as vinyl possibly can.
Jason
good insulation properties.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Too many gaps and not a consistant r value as it ranges in width. If you want insulation, buy insulation, if you want siding, buy siding!!!
Edited 4/11/2009 9:35 am ET by frammer52
I said in the next post that there's nothing wrong with Crane products...as far as vinyl siding goesI've used it and been happy with it, I like the solid backing of the foam...not so sure about the insulative properties, I guess a little better than none
Barry E-Remodeler
We're happy with it too, and for the same reasons you were.
We didn't want to fark around with Hardie or the like, and this was the next best to either that or wood, which absolutely nobody uses around here. Nebraska is not a very wood-friendly climate (though where is?), and I couldn't afford wood anyway, and even if I could the maintenance is a deal-killer for me.
As for its insulative properties, that was largely an ancillary concern. I was more interested in the fact that it's the least artificial-looking vinyl out there, quite a bit sturdier than the unbacked stuff, and it was easy to install. I've got 2x6 walls with dense-packed fiberglass in them (another compromise - no sub I spoke to had ever heard of dense-pack cellulose), so I've got decent wall r-value.
The other product we looked at was Nichiha fibercement ( http://www.nichiha.com ) , but finding a distributor halfway close was problematic at the time.
Jason
For a couple grand you can get a great book... printed in the mind of someone that knows how to do it.
I refuse to accept that there are limitations to what we can accomplish. Pete Draganic
Take life as a test and shoot for a better score each day. Matt Garcia
Find a few books or instructions from the company but the best thing you can do along with that is ask your siding supply house to recommend one good sider that may be slow for work these days. Pay him to work next to you and teach you as you go.
Real life experience is by far the best way to learn. Might cost you a few hundred dollars more but you'll be sure to get things done right and have help doing it.
Might just need his help for only 2-3 days...how much would that run ya after allz said n done?
http://www.cliffordrenovations.com
http://www.ramdass.org
Pizza
Have you considered using cedar Shake? Looking at the picture of your house you have a lot of openings for the little amount of wall space.
Lots of window and door heads to reconcile which can be a pain with vinyl siding.
With cedar shake you can work a section at a time by yourself at your own speed. The ends would be 5/4 X 4 cedar cut to meet your stucco which would be fairly easy to do. Layout to adjust for difference in head heights easy to do and as the transition to existing soffit can be a single piece of cedar ripped to the right width.
Tar paper over the texture 1/11; proper flashing at the brick transition with good coil stock. Good caulking all the way around and no special tools needed. Paint or stain or nothing since you are selling so no further maintenance.
Excellent curb appeal. Dormers could be Shake or cedar lap siding or any composition siding which ever would be easier.
Just a different opinion.........