I just replaced my computer system. The old one was destroyed by lightining. The new system is running windows vista.
I am now finding out that windows vista will not support my version of autocad 2000i with architectural desktop . Autodesk does not support their older software either. My cad program worked fine for me. It would be a considerable expense to upgrade to a new comparable cad program.
HP has informed me that all their new computers are only shipped with windows vista including mine.
Does anybody know if there is a software patch to let me run autocad 2000i on windows vista ?
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There's a way to make Vista think it's XP for indivdual prgrams but I'm foggy on it (Vista is on the laptop and shut down right now). IIRC find the .exe file for the program you have issues with and right click on it. There should be something for compatability. Chose a system that you used to run it on and see if that works. Maybe do a restart after the change.
I think we'll be fighting this battle for a long time.
I tried a few of those tricks, I got as far as being able to see a drawing file,but that's about all I could do.
I'm not a Autocad guy but with Sketchup I had to make a new model that had no data and open SU from the blank. For some reason the straight forward .exe for the SU application won't work (locks up even after the update to recognize vista) but it opens fine when I open a blank model (or any other model).
Good luck. We're on a long & crappy road with Vista.
I was able to open a blank drawing but I could not get any of the arch. desktop features to work. I was able to draw a line.
leaning to say no...
I haven't been able to find a patch or a working system (Vista/AutoCad) in 2 months or so...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
what??
You use autocad to map out fishin spots or sumthin???.
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I am not wearing any Pants....
topo's and plot plans for...
eddys...
back waters...
sand bars...
sunken structures...
and honey holes.......
why let all that money go to waste...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Oreo uses it to map where her bones are burried....
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I am not wearing any Pants....
that too...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
if you install XP on yur machine you'll find that there isn't much in the line of drivers to let XP do it's thing...
all of the most important ones won't exist...
like so...
Base System Device PCIVEN_1180&DEV_0843&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_014&3A3249AB&0&2A80 This device is not configured correctly.
Base System Device PCIVEN_1180&DEV_0592&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_0A4&3A3249AB&0&2B80 This device is not configured correctly.
Base System Device PCIVEN_1180&DEV_0852&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_054&3A3249AB&0&2C80 This device is not configured correctly.
Coprocessor PCIVEN_10DE&DEV_0271&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_A33&13C0B0C5&0&53 This device is not configured correctly.
Network Controller PCIVEN_14E4&DEV_4311&SUBSYS_1363103C&REV_014&14C5F9B7&0&0018 This device is not configured correctly.
Other PCI Bridge Device PCIVEN_10DE&DEV_0269&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_A33&13C0B0C5&0&A0 This device is not configured correctly.
PCI Device PCIVEN_10DE&DEV_026C&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_A23&13C0B0C5&0&81 This device is not configured correctly.
SM Bus Controller PCIVEN_10DE&DEV_0264&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_A33&13C0B0C5&0&51 This device is not configured correctly.
Video Controller (VGA Compatible) PCIVEN_10DE&DEV_0244&SUBSYS_30B7103C&REV_A23&13C0B0C5&0&28 This device is not configured correctly.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Edited 7/10/2007 11:21 pm by IMERC
My insurance may cover the cost for the new version of autocad. They asked me to get a quote to them.
that would be nice...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
may cover the cost for the new version of autocad. They asked me to get a quote to them
Tell 'em $4000, just like all the other 2000-era versions (except DeskTops, which are $800-900 more).
Be very prepared for a huge re-learning curve, too. All of my ACAD boards have tales of woe of not finding features where they used to be, or finding features that don't "play nice," and the like. The wandering, pop-up, Command Line is among my least favorites. Even better, for 2008, they disable the command line (so the product "looks" more like other, lamer, cad s/w; and is less frightening to PHB). That means you (or the custom lisp code you own/used until now) have to use AbCdGetObject, GetAcadSession, GetCmdLine-something or the other, and flip the command line on, or you get errors galore.
But, I'm also firmly convinces that the last "good" version was 2000 or 2000i, and it really peaked just after R14. But, I'm just a customer, and a developer, not a Chief Information Officer; don't bother autodesk with facts unless you will slavishly order 1200-1500 copies every release cycle needed or not . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
I told them it was about $4,500, they sounded suprised but they said get them some hard numbers.
I was happy with my 2000i architectural desktop version I have been using since day one. Changes can be a pain.
Cheaper to buy a pro version of the previous Windows OS, wipe Vista off your Hd and install the one you bought. You would also have it for the next computor.SamT
I could buy an additional computer with xp pro for less than the new software. But I will keep my fingers crossed on the software reimbursement.
but they said get them some hard numbers.
Pretty sure the autodesk site quotes MSRP of 3750 & 4750 for ADT.
If they are not putting MSRP's up (again), check the Avatech site, they almost always have a "list" price (and do deals for whatever quantity of seats ordered). Not a bad deal, that. When the place I was working for years ago went from R11 to R12, I asked the dealer (avatech) if they could add one more on, but invoice me for it. Answer: No sweat.
That was then, this is now. Be glad you're not in a networked situation. Seems the worst possible case is to add one vista machine to a satisfactorily-running Novell network with ACAD2006 workstations running just fine. Just don't do it. autodesk blames MS, and vice versa--both tell you the only answer is wholesale replacement with whatever is latest product out the door, period.
Come the great catyclysm, the comet, the stellar gamma-ray plasma strike--it's hitting the computer people first, and I'm going to laugh until the oxygen bleeds (or sublimes) away.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
you do autocad...
what say you
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
what say you
What I've already said about Vista.
And AutoCAD, too.
Neither company cares about any one individual customer.
Both are run by "information management" types (CIO, CIS, etc.) who do not actually do any work on or with the software, beyond, maybe the magazine reviewer, here, I'll push a few buttons for 10-15 minutes stage. Instead they take meetings on how to leverage millions in budgets and find new ways to sell bigger orders to bigger clients. (And, the all-too-usual palace parlor games of whose fiefdom is bigger, larger, more prominent, what have you.)
Vista probably has months yet to become a "mature" product (meaning, patches, drivers, etc.) And, I fear that previous "logo compliance" will never be dealt with (like those legacy programs that check for a swap file)--unless the marketplace creates them (like mozilla, AVG, etc.)
But, I'm not having a sun-shiny day, either.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Hmmm, another reason not to upgrade to Vista. And from what I have seen, Autocad 2006 isn't supported in Vista as well. What a crock. Almost makes sense to have a second machine (or dual boot) around with XP on it and a KVM switch to run you CAD.
In retrospect, how much has Autocad really changed from rel. 9.0 to current? Okay, that was all dos based, but Rel 14.0 was Windows based and other than the icon, there really isn't much difference. You still have access to the keyboard hot commands as well as the pull down menus, although they keep shifting somethings around, but still, where is the benefit?
Back when I was teaching Autocad, I found that if you followed the course of Autocad and their marketing strategy, they would come out approximately ever 18 months with a new product. This was primarily to keep market share, but also to keep upgrade $ coming in. And now that they are pushing people to their subscription service.... screw that. I know that I can run my Autocad Lt on an old machine and it works/plots fine.
If anything, Autodesk is screwing themselves, and rightly so. My 2006 Lt version is probably my last upgrade. :/
Buy A Mac!!
you wont have ANY of these problems
"HP has informed me that all their new computers are only shipped with windows vista including mine."
I'd return the machine. Dell got the message when people stopped buying Dells when Vista came out.
Worst case: Get an XP machine built locally...
I just ordered 2 new computers from Gateway. A desktop and notebook. I had to pay $49.00 extra to get XP installed instead of Vista but I didnt want to deal with all those problems everyone is talking about.
Wow, that's marketing, putting out a crappy new product so that people will pay more for the old product.
Win/win for Bill Gates.
sad part is XP on a Vista machine just doesn't want to work...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
ArrowPov
If you still have the install disks for Windows XP, you can use Virtual PC to run a virtual instance of XP under Windows Vista. In essence XP becomes a second "guest" OS under Vista. You'll suffer a bit of performance overhead running in a virtual instance but it might help over come not being able to run it at all. Virtual PC is offered as a free download. You can then install XP in the virtual PC and install AutoCAD. Here's a link that you get more info.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx
Only caveat is it's going to depend on the amount of RAM you have installed.
Diane
The last os I had was windows 2000.
This adventure is getting complicated.
You can run pretty much any older OS as a virtual PC including Windows 2000. Yea, somewhat different approach but it'll allow you to continue to run your older programs that are not compatible with Vista.Diane
I still run AutoCad R14! A couple years ago I had to get a new computer and had to get Windows 98 on it.
I'm going to dedicate that machine to autocad sometime in the future and just hope it'll go forever, or until i decide to go to Softplan.
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I found autocad worked better with windows 2000 than 98. I got no more blue screens after switching operating systems.
Blue Screens??
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I was using 2000i with architectural desktop. It never locked up with windows 2000.
I got no more blue screens after switching operating systems
Yeah, well, some of that was MS cheating, too.
Under either 98 or 2000, your best bet is to create a drive partition 2.5X RAM (rounded up to a neat number), and move the windows swap file there.
This will take much wailing anr reading pointless "error" messages, but it can be done. Restart the computer as soon as you do this (sets the recovery point). That one step will prevent about 95-96% of all blue-screen-of-death events (since the swap file can't step on any saved info, or just endlessly fragement all the free space on the HDD).
To make ACAD behave better, go into Preferences, and under file path, set the TEMP directories to point at a C:temp directory. All of them, even the xref temp that is almost never used. Then, set the autosave to 600 to 800 minutes, and the save percentage to 100--this disables the autosave, which is a pointless feature that locks the machine up without actually saving any useful work. Oh, and a better video card is twice as important as doubling the ram or processor clock speed. Period. Better to have a dinky amount, 256, 512MB of RAM with a AGP 3D video card than the stock svga card and 2GB of RAM (2gb RAM is bit like putting a blower on an untuned 1.6l four-banger--truck, tires, suspension won't be able to use 30-40 of boost . . . )Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
See my post 92285.3
I am fed up with these clowns and will be happy to live with XP-PRO in my retirement. BTW, as I left work in 2005 I noticed major architectural firms in the north east dropping auto cad. The bookeepers win again---NOT. Paddy