Since there was so much wonderful participation in the last two of these, I thought I might post my own. See the attached.
The room is 9′-6″ x 17′-10″ with a tall 9′-6″ ceiling, and no windows, unless you count the large triple-panel patio door at one end. Approach from entry is as shown.
The challenge is to get a “high end look” kitchen into the R side of the space, and leave sufficient space where Brian is standing for a dining table and six chairs. The dotted line is the considered “division” between the living room and this kitchen/dining space.
A few things seem to be gotta-haves by the clients: a pro-looking range hood, the MW as an under-the-counter drawer (Sharp and Dacor are the only two I know), an apron “farmhouse-type” sink, and a counter-depth fridge, preferably the expensive integrated (read: Sub-Zero) type.
The only way to vent a pro hood is to go out the wall that has the patio door in it. This is a condo, and the 17’10 wall is common with the next one.
Sharpen your mouses (should I have said “mice?”), and begin, now!
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Get a custom floor to ceiling cabinet with a second stove on the bottom, a warming drawer stacked on top of it and a microwave on top of the warming drawer and then cabinet space above that. Place it midway between the kitchen and dining room.
And put a pantry in.
Gene,
It might help if we knew where the plumbing was, the size of the patio door and its spacing off the long wall.
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This is a total gut job, so we can reroute as needed, within reason. The current kitchen is a box-canyon galley, entered in that 39" opening between the wingwall and the column. A halfwall passthru is above the counter, and a wall drop from the top allows some wallcabs above.
Presently, the sink and adjacent DW to its R, are along your left as you progress in the kitchen toward the dead end, where the 30" range is tight against a 36" susan on its R, with a filler of about 9" width to its L.
In my SU view, the plumbing stubs will be in the floor right about where the label "Kitchen" is in the pic. Running the water and drain three or so feet to that far wall will be quite possible, according to our plumber.
The patio door is 8 feet in width, and the distance from its R side casing and the near drywall corner is 26.5 inches.
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Seating for 6. . . .Gene,Any idea on appl. sizing like the range, hood and refrig. I'd hate to work with 30" when they wanted 48" even though it won't work ;-)Seating for six. . .
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30 inch range, electric. 36-width for the fridge.
Seating for six, but I think they will have to retire their present table, which seats six, one each end, two the longer sides, width across short ways is 44 inches. Methinks they will have to go down to the minimum width for dining, which is 38. Length can be a 68.
Here is a snap of Brian close to the corner of a 38x68. Only four chairs, but you can get the picture.
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Which way do the ceiling joist run in that space? My guess would be that are perpendicular to the long wall. If that's the case I would like to move the range to the center of of the long wall to help shorten the run of the venting to the outside. This would also showcase the range and hood from the living room as well.This would in turn put the sink in the dead end and would then also require the moving of the plumbing. Is that something that is doable?http://www.josephfusco.org
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Something along these lines.
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Gene,I'd call this rough concept one with many questions as to type of hood, cabinet style and color, flooring and countertop materials to start with a few.http://www.josephfusco.org
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Thanks for your input and your Chief work, Joe. Your large ELL is what I had in mind as a good solution, but as you can see in the pic called "wife," I did it with the fridge and sink sort of swapped from your layout.
A nearby condo with the same layout underwent an expensive re-do not long ago, and the owners that want the new kitchen have seen the new work a couple units over. She favors the big open ELL, he favors the kitchen layout as done pretty much like the pic attached, called "husband."
I went into that unit today and based my sketch on what I saw there. The two aisle widths are 32.5 and 45 inches, range run and fridge/sink run respectively, and those were taped from face of cabs to face of cabs. Countertop overhangs, the farmer sink, appliance pulls, fridge doors, etc., all intrude a little on those numbers.
The total run along the range side, corner out to end, is 10'-9", and the "island," consisting of a DW, sinkbase, and trashbin pullout, intrudes into the adjacent room just 9.5" beyond where the wall was before. On its 'eat at" bar side, it is extending a couple feet into the adjacent dining table space. That big round post is a white cedar tree log, nicely belled out at bottom, peeled and sanded and varnished.
Both arrangements (cabs complete plus countertops) price within nickels of each other, but the "his" version has a little more countertop. The additional cost due to the countertop is offset by the lower drawerbox count and related hardware costs.
So, it is now time for her and him to decide.
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Your "wife" plan gets my vote so far. I'd also like to see Joe's plan with stove and sink swapped.
Did you like the wife and her bare little midriff, or the kitchen layout? ;-)
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What kitchen layout???
Can you put Sarah Palin in there?
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I vote for wife configuration. I think husband's is too claustrophobic. One thing that bothers me about wife's though is the stove being so close to the table. Not sure if swapping sink and stove would be any better though. What's worse...sink mess or stove mess? I kind of like joe's because it puts the sink and stove a little further away from the table.What about the stove on the diagonal in the corner? I've done a couple of ell layouts that way, and the work flow is nice.Steve
Gene,Some reasons why I laid out my initial design the way I did was to give the person at the sink a better angle to see or speak with other people in the living room. Putting the sink on the long wall would always put the person at the sink with their back to the living room. The range, hood and refrig on the long wall would showcase them for their design and style. I can’t see burying a $7,000 refrig in the corner. Plus most times people take things from the refrig to use at the table and or the range. Where it is makes that very handy. But like I say, that’s why they call it designing . . . ;-)http://www.josephfusco.org
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I like Joe's layout over wife or husband layout.
I like the food prep area in the corner between stove and sink.
Rich
Joe's design sketches are too big for me to open on dial-up. Of yours, the Husband version works; the Wife version does not: Reefer is too far from everything; a cook would need roller skates to get anything done in there.
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See if you can open this version.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Thanks, Steve; that's more better....
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This would work, although the 'golden triangle' (sink-stove-fridge) has been skewed into a very oblique form.
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