Not too long ago we got into recycling in this town. Now its like activists as they are taking a foot where we gave an inch.
It shall be unlawful to burn trash of any description.
You may however burn lawn trimmings if it is in an approved burner with a mesh screen. You may not burn on any city property or right of way. So burning ditches is out. This actually means we will be transporting things that burn out side the city. No cold morning fires on the job site amoung other things.
I know Im in Arkansas , but does the rest of the world live this way? It sucks.
Tim Mooney
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Louisville and Jefferson County, KY have been that way for years. the only exception allowed is a small fire for roating hot dogs, marshmellows, etc. Big fine if you have to large a fire and not enough hot dogs :)
They acctually have to pay extra for yard waste pickup in most of the county. That is even after the city/county merged into one government. The old city government area still gets one pickup a week for yard waste is it meets the right requirements for size of bundle and number of bags, I think. But then they get to pay for recycling tubs for glass, alum., and paper if they want.
I am far enough out in the boonies now, that I only have to obey they state laws for the "no burn" months. The coons, possums and skunks live big out here <G>
Dave
DaveI don't remember anything about trash burning, but Jefferson County (I think it was in the county at the time, but I am not sure) had a visible smoke law for a long long time.I remember by uncles complaining about it back in the early 50's.This was a coal fired boiler for greenhouse. I don't remember what they had to do but something they did released extra smoke.so they learned to do it at night. The inspector saw it one night and stopped in and they told him it was just steam. Do dark to tell the difference.This at what is now Taylorsville Rd and the Watterson interchange.
Edited 5/14/2005 9:12 pm ET by Bill Hartmann
Bill, they went to the total outdoor burn ban in the early seventies. It wasn't so much a pollution concern as the cost involved in fire department runs for out of control leaf burning.
I can remember going down Southern or Eastern Parkway and seeing house after house with small leaf burning fires being fed every weekend. After the ban, people just raked their leaves out into the gutter at the street edge. A Bern of leaves would stretch for block, and the resulting mesh of ground leaves made it like driving on ice. The city used a large vac. truck to suck the piles up once a week. It got so bad on those two tree line parkways, that the local radio station would issue traffic alerts for slick road conditions. Then they ban that practice.
I think people are now allowed to put out three bags of yard waste a week in the city. The limits in the county are dependent on the private haulers rules. The disposal is handled a site operated by Waste Management Co. for the city/co. All of the yard waste is recycled at that location, and sold back to anyone that wants it as mulch and organic amendments for planting beds. During the fall of the years there are satellite collection areas scattered throughout the county, for free leaf disposal. all of that is collected and recycled also.
It all works pretty well. The recycling part of it is really catching on because the mixed mulch and organic compost sold is a lot cheaper than what is sold at garden centers and the big box stores. In fact, the Louisville Zoo is now getting into the act by selling "Zoo Poop" as natural fertilizer.
Construction waste is handle by on site dumpster from everything that I have seen. Inspection and enforcement has really improved over the past 5 or 6 years. Erosion control has also improved, but has a way to go.
The environmental impact of building overall has improved around here, during the actual construction phase. It the lack of good long term planning that is lagging behind.
Dave
MO banned yard waste in the waste a few years ago.And I remember with it first came out there was a letter to the editor from some one complaining that Kansas City would not pick up where garage because there was the top of a pineaple in it.The HOA used to do limb and branch pick and piled it behind the dam and run it through a chipper once in a while. But the state dam inspector where afraid that a leak could develope and not be seen.And there where problems with people blowing leafs into the lake.So the next contract the city added leaf and branch pickup.But about 3 years ago we had a major ice storm with many trees and branches down. So the opened the are below the dam (but on next to it like it was) and used that for limbs. The pile was big enough that they had a dozer to help work the pile.They where going to do a controlled burn with the FD. But the night before some one got an early start on the fire.
I think jeff buck is doing a slow burn.
...all I need is the air that I breathe...
I left Louisville and moved to Atlanta. I REALLY took that burn ban for granted. We moved into a great, expensive community in Marietta, GA that allowed burning about three miles from our house.
Now I'm back in Jersey, where the air is CLEAN! The south stinks!!!!
That does suck. We are on the edge of a national forest and have some restraints or requests to not burn during the dry times.
I had lived in Pa. and they did the same as what you are seeing..no more heating up lunch on the burn barrel...frozen ham and cheese.
In NC we just got a burn permit and anything goes , that too was on the edge of national forest but the permit was free and good for 14 days.
Maybe they could implement something like that?
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Yup, I really bought this place, wanna shoot me? Please?
You need to get a permit here for big fires, every time.
burning barrels are in recreational fire classification... they cant touch it, as long as there isnt any tar paper or tire chunks.
-zen
Well, it doesn't suck as much as being the poor guy down wind of a moron burning pressure treated lumber!
As usual, these laws are created to protect us and the environment from the few idiots out there who abused the right to burn.
I was actually grateful when the "no garbage burning" law was implemented near me. Now I can keep my windows open during the fall and spring and not gag from everyone's leaves and old deck boards burning.
Sorry, man, no sympathy here. Why on earth would anyone want to smell and breathe your burning trash, plastic grocery bags, bleach bottles, old furniture, tires, and styrofoam packaging?? Take it to the dump. It's the 21st century and ya know, there have been some minor concerns raised about air quality... globally. I'm sure you want to do your part.... right?
Around here you can burn tree trimmings, yard waste, and other stuff like that. No construction debris... but all the contractors burn their scrap wood, plywood, pallets, and PT cutoffs. The county and the fire chief look the other way so as to not interfere with the largest industry in the county. There's some talk about getting a stump grinder so that guys can take their scrap wood in and have it chipped rather than being forced to choose between burning it and trucking it off the island ($$).
I've heard plenty of stories about things like guys getting out their backhoe and burying an old car rather than scrapping it. Just find a place out in the woods and start digging. A guy told me at dinner once that he processed an entire 28-foot cabin cruiser thru his burn barrel... took two years.
Im not asking for sympathy. In fact I figgured there would be some supporters.
You did say you lived on an island ,.............
I suspect theres a place for it and not a place for it. Take the city dump for example . They will be in violation of the order Monday by burning trees that are brought to them along with branches and grass clippings. To be in order they will have to bury all those things or recycle. Im waiting on which they do.
Im right along with you on burning household garbage. It belongs at the dump.
I however "process" remodels in trash barrells. I also burn out stumps just that way. I burned 100 sq of cedar shakes for example through three barrells.
Now , Ill have to create my own landfill. Ill bury and burn. Its just unhandy is all.
Tim Mooney
Sounds like they'll be shouting down outdoor woodfurnaces next.
...all I need is the air that I breathe...
Actually fireplaces are illegal if they dont have a screen on the chimney cap. They just made the law and they dont know what they are doing . There will have to be exceptions or it wont work at all. So right now fireplaces are illegal with out a screen . I cant wait till winter!!!!!! This is gonna be good.
Tim Mooney
hey! - - did ya know that if ya pour 2.5 gals of used oil over a good tight bale of straw, that puppy will burn for 3+ hours? That iffen you put a bale about every 40 feet down a row of fruit trees and light 'em off, it'll raise the temperature of the area a small but potentually signifigant amount? That it smells like hell (literally, I'd guess), but doesn't leave much mess (at least on the ground)?
watched the neighbor farmer get a new set of tractor tires last season - the tire service left the old ones in the field - watched him burn them this spring to get rid of them - saved him $20 each disposal - nasty looking fire tho...bought 2 new rears in the last month, got another flat from yesterday sitting out here, the tire store is gonna own this farm next month - but I pay the disposal fee....
"there's enough for everyone"
TIM-
California has required those screen caps on chimneys for several years now and they're no problem at all. Shake roofing (usually redwood) used to be THE roofing material around here and there were some major fire issues.
A re-roof job now typically includes the screen cap or you can buy one for $25 - $30 and put it on yourself in about 10 minutes.
They can't decide what they want to do here. One month they want to ban leaf and trash burning. Then a bunch of people get all bent out of shape, and they allow it every other weekend.
Then someone else complains, and they switch to the first 7 days of the month.
For a while the city decided they would haul off leaves for everyone. But they couldn't figure out what to do with them. So they took them out in the country, dumped 'em in a pile, and set it on fire.
We just got a new Mayor last month, so who knows what will happen now.
Can you burn anything when a professional sports team wins a championship? Cars, mattresses? ;)
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