not going to have his fingers for long
and mabey not his life. My shop teacher probably is the worst pacticer of safty, but a pretty good enforcer. It is rare to see him use a pushstick on the tablesaw, rare to see him use safty glasses, not sure if he knows what hearing protection is, uses a circularsaw that turns on by plugging it it, and saws with that circular saw in very dangerous places, binding the board very often. Also he can get very frustated sometimes.
on the other hand, my mentor, Jim Shipsky, is VERY safe. always uses eye and ear protection, and when nessisary, lung protection, always has a pushstick (that he uses) right on the tablesaw, and is slow and meticulous, and never gets frustated
“It is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer: it feels so good when you stop”
Edited 1/24/2008 6:27 pm ET by andyfew322
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Guy that ended up bing a shop teacher here cut the end of a finger off when back in school and then later on did the same thing again.
Bet his students had a tight safety course to adhere to after he became a shop instructor.
Peace full.
How'd you cut that finger off, anyway?
Oh, I was going like this......OH ####!!!!!!!!!!! There goes ANOTHER one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's a joke my mother told me in 1968.
Most important thing is that you seem to recognize the right and wrong way, that's the best insurance at keeping all your digits for life...
I suspect even IF (and I'm not suggesting it) you try to comment to your shop teacher you'll get the "I've done it this way for X years etc etc". Just remember the adage, "Do as I say, not as I do" ;)
PaulB
Edited 1/24/2008 6:37 pm ET by PaulBinCT
I remember in shop one day we had a substitute teacher. Table saw was the only tool off limits to students (middle school shop if I recall correctly).
I needed a board cut, and he did it for me. He was missing a finger and used the two on either side of the stub to push the board past the blade - with the blade sticking up right between them towards the stub.
I remember watching and thinking "did he just do that?"
That gives me the willies.TFB (Bill)
yeah, were not allowed to use a table saw, and if it's a subsitute we have t owatch movies. No going in the shop.
"It is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer: it feels so good when you stop"
<and if it's a subsitute we have to watch movies>
Boy, what they let teach these days. We could ALWAYS tell if the sub was a "he" or a "she".
Forrest - remembering before the transgendered days
maybe they haven't had that class yet ....
OK ... girls into one classroom ...
boys into another.
then the rest of the week the girls giggle and the boys look confused.
I swear they got more info than we did!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
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first week at trade school we had "shop safety" ...
very ... very .... very basic stuff.
now this was a certified trade school.
everyone had graduated high school ... supposed to pretend we're all adults here.
anyways ... day 2 or 3 ... the Drill Press.
at the end of the introduction to "The Drill Press" ...
instructor closes with ... "Oh yeah ... and don't try to stop the spinning drill bit with your hands" ...
so I say ... "That really necessary to add?"
he laughed ... said ... "I didn't think so up till last year ...?"
Yup ... some idgit drilled a hole ... flipped the switch off ...
and decided he'd help her stop spinning by grabbing onto the drill bit!
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
In the middle of seventh grade I transferred into a San Diego junior high. My shop teacher was big on safety and practiced what he preached. Unfortunately, he didn't have eyes in the back of his head.
On my first day I noticed a student missing a few fingers with heavy scars on his hands and forearms. Within a week I saw three other students with even worse injuries. One had worse scars and only a couple of fingers left. The other two looked like their faces had been badly burned and were also missing fingers.
The first person I asked knew the story: One day in woodshop these unfortunate morons had decided they wanted the "marble" inside a can of spray lacquer. And that's what a drill press is made for, isn't it?
OMG, htat belongs in Joketime ;)
"It is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer: it feels so good when you stop"
I think about those dimwits every time I find myself not wanting to look for my safety glasses. They are why I'm a bit paranoid about shop safety.
As for your teacher, that's the kind of pig-headed arrogance you probably won't find in most men with nine fingers.
With liability and lawsuits, I'm surprised there even are shop classes any more.
Edited 1/24/2008 8:47 pm ET by JDLee
I am glad you even HAVE shop, many schools have done away with that.
And again, you are well off knowing the difference between "git R done" and get it done, with your self still in one piece.
Good safety is sometimes seeing what is not safety, the secret is to have it not be you , doing the not safe.
Did I confuse ya yet?
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
One of my brother-in-laws was a shop teacher. Very safety conscious... 'cept one day he climbs a rickety step ladder to get a board off an overhead rack... falls off the ladder, catches the ring on his little finger on the ladder as he's going down... his little finger stayed up there... shakes hands funny now.Good for you for paying attention. Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,
Winterlude by the telephone wire,
Winterlude, it's makin' me lazy,
Come on, sit by the logs in the fire.
The moonlight reflects from the window
Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.
Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,
Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.
andy i'm not about to say all that isn't a great practice to learn and be in the habit of. but i bet if you would take a poll here a lot of injuries occur when you have your head where the sun don't shine.your thinking about things other than what your doing and it just takes a second of distraction to screw your self up.
one thing i like about wearing saftey glasses or ear protection is,when you put them on your mind is in gear to do the job and thats about as important as anything.
don't think i haven't been guilty of daydreaming about something else,so far just been lucky. larry
if a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
I completely agree with you.
I think I'm pretty safety consciuos. Especially since its my body parts on the line.
I think every accident I've had was when I was rushing, or tired, or just not having my mind focused.
Sometimes you have to know when to take a break.
as i get older those breaks are coming sooner and lasting longer.lol larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?
Middle school metal shop teacher seemed like a real klutz, but I learned something despite him.
Years later I bought a house and found he was a neighbor.
There were 3 of us always out in the garage on weekends dinking with something, 2 were Engineers who actually knew how to do something besides talk about it.
One day this nimmnel shop teacher shows up and is watching the beer drinking/fixing/making going on and says "I sure wish I could do stuff like you guys do" or something to that effect.
He didn't recognize me, but I sure knew him. Just as I suspected, zero mechanical ability.
Joe H
Actually, he probably subscribes to he old axiom of "learn from other peoples mistakes"; probably figures that if he cuts off a few finger tips per year, his students will learn well from his mistakes (and blood splatter). Now that's dedication! Apparently a really good teacher if not a craftsman... not sure how long he can go on this way though... :-)
BTW - are you really a teenager? If so, what are you doing hanging with the "old guys"?
yeah, when he was teaching us about nailguns, he told us how he shot his fingers to gether, and had other accidents MANY other times.
"It is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer: it feels so good when you stop"
We had a hippie girl in shop (back in 1972) ... Nancy ... well I had long hair too, but she had waist-length hair. Never had any instruction on putting it up when using tools ... decided to turn a table leg on the wood lathe ... must have had a horse and a half motor. Got her hair caught - it not only pulled out an area of hair (and scalp) about 2" square, it jerked her head down onto the tool rest too.
Never was quite the same after that LOL.
Jeff
Edited 1/24/2008 10:43 pm ET by Jeff_Clarke
yeah, my shop teacher says to put it up or he'll give you a rubberband to put it up. that really hurts to use a rubber band
"It is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer: it feels so good when you stop"
Shop teacher at the school where the DW first taught, told the students in shop class that when using the radial arm saw, not to put your fingers here............. OOPS..............
Knew another shop teacher that always told the students he was missing a finger due to an accident with a saw. Usually made the right impression. He actually lost in when he fell off a horse and the reigns were wrapped around his fingers.
There are very few requirements for both industrial arts and vocational teachers. IA teachers can start teaching right out of college, with no work experience. Voc teachers have to prove they have worked in the trade for a certain amount of consecutive time. There is very little training in the workplace. Many learn the wrong way on job sites. You are learning what not to do from your teacher. As a student, you don't fall under OSHA regulations but your teacher is an employee and he does. It's actually the responsibility of his administrators that he has proper training and follows it. That isn't going to happen in a lot of schools. Your teacher doesn't understand his responsibilities and he doesn't understand safety. I used to teach safety to teachers, some just don't or won't get it. Read as much as you can, be smart and don't expect that people in these positions or on the job know what they are doing. There are some teachers that are excellent and try to improve their knowledge, there are others that are incompetent. Such is the real world and the state of US education institutions.
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