Listening to All Things Considered as I eat breakfast
Big spike in nail gun injuries with the DIY increase; 37,000 injuries last year, up 200%.
Pro injuries have remained the same.
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"You can do it. We can help"
Or another version: "You can do it, we can help you screw it up"
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul." Invictus, by Henley.
Or like my young neighbors say "We can do it, you can help"."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
" I can do it, if you help, it's double"Parolee # 40835
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks NPR stinks. (DW listens all the time, maybe that's why we don't agree on most things.)As to the big box stores, I think they give intelligence tests before hiring and, with few exceptions, if they pass they don't get hired. I've also heard "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys".btw, I'm a work alone remodeler in the Middle Tennessee area.
Just to be fair, NPR didn't write the story , nor do the research .
All that was done by the Federal govt. NPR just reported what the feds had found. Their reporters do all sound the same though. ;-)
I've never looked, but does HD rent nailers? One must have to sign off big time when renting them, what a potential for liability! You can shoot yourself, we can help. I have noticed that United Rentals here does not rent any nailers 'cept for the hittin' type floor nailers.
"I've never looked, but does HD rent nailers? "I've seen Paslode impulse nailers for rent and I've rented a ramset from them. I wonder what their insurance company thinks of sending anybody with a credit card out the door with a 22 caliber nail shooter?
BruceT
You've got me curious. I happen to think that All Things Considered is one of the best news programs out there. It may not be for everyone, but what about it "stinks". I don't listen to much else on NPR because I'm not a big fan of the kind of music they play, but I still wonder what stinks about it.
I LOVE my local NPR affiliate. News and stories during commute times, the rest is Jazz, blues on weekend nights. And most of all no annoying advertising.
Unfortunately, I have to usually be working alone to be able to listen to it.
I suppose that "stink" was perhaps too strong a word. Mostly what I dislike about their news coverage, general discussion of current events, etc., is that they are, in my opinion, to liberal in their views. In my opinion they are almost as bad as the main stream media. Sorry if I offended you but thats how I feel.
I don't care for the political agenda that comes through in most of NPR's reporting. I know it's rare these days for any news station to be neutral, but it still irks me. But in light of the fact that NPR takes taxpayer money, I think they should be especially neutral.
Actually, I think it stinks that they take any taxpayer money. Period. The program is popular enough that they really don't "need" to be subsidized anyway. I'd have a lot more respect for the organization in general if they pushed themselves back from the government trough and started down the path of self reliance.
"I don't care for the political agenda that comes through in most of NPR's reporting"What exactly is slanted about reporting the change in accidents with nail guns? I find it interesting, as did you or you wouldn't have clicked into this discussion. Did they demand action? What was the political agenda? When did facts become bias?BTW, why haven't the pros gotten better at avoiding shooting nails through their bodies? I worked as a helper in college and never shot myself (despite my education) but know plenty of 'pros' that have.
I don't know about Ragnar, but I am under the opinion that the side comments in this trhead about NPR are only related to the main thread tangentially. I don't think the nailgun piece is political, nor do I suppose that others who've commented.
I guess we should have started a new post "Is NPR political" or something like that.
I personally think they are the least political, but I agree that like most of the media they are more left leaning than center or right. However, all news should be listened to with a slightly suspicious ear anyhow.
What is 'leaning left'? reporting scandals in the current white house? not enough Anna Nicole? I'm not spoiling for a fight but people keep throwing around this leaning thing.
Senior Whitehouse correspondent, Juan Williams, makes little effort to hide his disdain for the current administration. I often don't totally disagree, but that does not mean I want to hear it coming from one of my news sources.
I do get a kick out of the opinions of Daniel Shore (sp?). He is an equal opportunity lambaster (sp, again?); it's just that in the last few years, he's only had the GOP to work with because of the make-up of the WH and Congress. Besides, he is sort of put out their "editorially" so you know you are getting some opinion.
In any case, it is a well known fact that most reporting members in mass media of all forms vote "Democrat". Google "survey journalists vote" and see what comes up.
But, back to your statement. Let's forget about the current administration and look at this from the point of s quintessential "right" vs "left" issue: gun control. I would hold firm that NPR is left leaning in view of this topic, but works hard to stay "center". It's just hard to stay "center" on an issue like that when your office is a place in DC that I hear used to be a pretty tough neighborhood (not sure of what it is like today).
I think NPR is better than most, but they have their slant, too. I'm not itching for a fight, either, but to put any human endeavor above scrutiny and free from the encroachment of pre-conceived notions is not practical.
I get your drift. It's hard to be really positive about the administration as they lie to the press, congress and the American people. (the latest justice dept scandal for example). Jaun is also on Fox News, does that make them left leaning?As for journalists voting Democratic, maybe, by the nature of their work, they are possibly the best informed voters out there. The pros of the information world. Also on this post Rush fans abound. The problem is he says thing that aren't true (Google Rush Lies). He rarely corrects himself and refers to himself as the great truth detector. Anyway, just for those that might be confused, Rush is a shock jock, not a journalist. Apples to oranges comparison. Anyway, you probably won't find another news outlet that reported the 'touchy feely' nail gun story. And reported so little on Anna Nicole's baby.
Also on this post Rush fans abound. The problem is he says thing that aren't true (Google Rush Lies). He rarely corrects himself and refers to himself as the great truth detector. Anyway, just for those that might be confused, Rush is a shock jock, not a journalist. Apples to oranges comparison.
I don't listen to Rush with any regularity, but I do hear his show perhaps once a month or so.
One thing that strikes me is that I constantly hear him saying that he is not a "journalist" -- that is, he does not claim to simply report the facts. His show is about his opinion -- and he is very open about that.
The problem is that many of the "real" journalists pretend to be completely objective when they're not. Instead of just "reporting the facts", they either selectively report the facts that buttress their own philosophy (and ignore the other facts), or just spin things slightly, etc.
In my opinion, the biggest problem with the news media today is that they have melded the factual reporting with the opinion page. It's extremely difficult to find truly objective news anymore. About the only thing you can do is listen to both sides and decide for yourself which interpretation makes more sense.
I think of NPR as "touchy feely" news, always looking for the softer more "human" side of events.I listen to NPR regularly, usually ATC after Rush, and find the contrasts interesting. (Rush is entertainment, think southpark, and you will enjoy it more.)I don't think their slant is intentional, but the broadcasters all share the same philosphy, as would be expected to work at the same place.I think the reason many of you don't see it, is that you share the same left leaning philosphy as the person telling you about the news. (Not that htere is anything wrong with that)Persons with a right leaning philosphy, just simply find the angles they use, off kilter, or not the first questions we would be asking.Another left leaning aspect of NPR is the non commercial format, the basic free market vs. gov't support, that left and right always argue over.A medium to large guy named Alan, not an ambiguous female....
NOT that there is anything wrong with that.
"What is slanted..." is a fair question. The first opportunity for 'slant' comes in the editors' selection of what to report, and how much to harp on the subject. Then, there is the matter of HOW something is reported. It is absolutely amazing how, without saying anything explicit, bias and presumption can be inserted .... and the listener / viewer pointed in the direction that the producer desires.
For example, a simple reference in a story to the shortage of funds at a particular government agency will completely obscure that the particular agency has no authority, that there are no rules being broken, or that the involvement of that agency may have no efect on the problem. Then there is the prevalence of "factoids," rather then facts. A 'factoid' is something that, while it may technically be true, has absolutely no meaning. For example, I can report the fact that average daily temperatures in Reno have increased thirty degrees since January ... totally meaningless when you consider that now it's April! Yet, such a statement tossed into a report on 'global warming' would sound alarming. Sure, nail guns are likely to be involved in more mishaps than ever before. Yet none of the likely causes ... wide availability, untrained personnel, personnel that can't read English, folks who modify the tools, tools being used for unintended purposes ... are not likely to be addressed by any proposed regulatory solutions.
Yet, regulatory solutions are exactly what you're going to get the moment you start dragging any governmental body into the mix. You end up with the equivalent of DUI problems being 'solved' by requiring a different drivers' license for ever model of automobile. Think for a moment ... the very discussion of nail guns is likely to be fascinating to the typical NPR listener .... few of whom have handled a hammer, let alone a nail gun. (Sorry, but I've yet to hear NPR played on a job site). They're going to hear the story as they drive to their government offices, where they will get busy writing regulations that will never apply to them! Does it really work this way? Well, here we are, discussing nail guns .... and insulting competitors to NPR ... having completely forgotten that this USED to be a free country! Instead, today we are wrapped in such a wealth of regulation that I doubt it is even possible to house them in any one building. Our schools have 'educated' the typical student into believing that they are automatically superior to any mere 'trade type,' and that they instinctively know it all, without having to bother with learning. There needs to be a 14-day 'cooling off' period for pencils :D
"They're going to hear the story as they drive to their government offices, where they will get busy writing regulations that will never apply to them!"Are you implying all NPR listeners are Gov employees? Is anyone clamoring to ban nail guns? Regulation? The public is smart enough to hear the news and use it wisely. Aren't you? Your neighbor?"You end up with the equivalent of DUI problems being 'solved' by requiring a different drivers' license for ever model of automobile."Lost you on this one. What do you mean? Dui's are a problem of personal responsibility, period. If you get a DUI it shows the worst type of irresponsibility, the kind that puts other people at risk for death. This is a conservitive view. Law and order. I don't see Rush as an NPR competitor, apples to oranges. His competition is howard stern, Imus, hanity, etc. ATC on NPR competes with ABC, NBC, BBC radio news and the like. Maybe TV news, too.BTW, I first started to listen to NPR as a helper in a cabinet shop, I didn't pick the station. I've handled a few hammers and nail guns and still do. There are a lot of very informed and educated folks out there that get their hands dirty and do some nice work. Many of the people that read FH are in that crowd. One of the questions I ask contractors/renovators is if they read FH. Those that do seem to be interested in learning about the latest in technology and think outside the box, looking beyond their personal experience. They read. Thanks for the advice and commentary. You've helped me in other threads. Ted
Sweetlake,
I didn't cite the NPR nail gun story as an example of their bias. Since I didn't hear that story on NPR, I couldn't tell you whether I thought it was biased or not.
Yeah, I know we've wandered off-topic and I was pretty sure the dislike of NPR had more to do with their programming in general than it did with the nail gun piece in particular. Thanks for your views.
I never really noticed the left-leaning of NPR. It may be because I am so skeptical of the news media, which I think is mostly a self-serving, over-sensationalized, entertainment outlet, that I don't really notice their supposed bias. Or it may be because I am left of center myself, but I could probably come up with a list of my core values and the most ardent conservatives would be sure I was one of them.
Anyway, I agree. News, and especially public-funded news, should not have a political agenda. I am going to listen with a more critical ear.
Work alone? say it aint so...
tis so!
"You can do it. We can help"
Hello, Home Depot? I've nailed my hand to a 2 x 4 ... can you help?
Jeff
Hello, Home Depot? I've nailed my hand to a 2 x 4 ... can you help?
Well, you could probably return the 2X4, with or without yourself attached. Bet it wouldn't be the first time.
"this 2x4 is defective, it keeps getting nailed to me. Do you have on that doesn't do that?"
Around these parts it is "you can do it, we can help, if you know exactly what you want, where it is located, if you can push a shopping cart, and I'm not on my lunch!"
Have a good day
CLiffy
"You can do it. We can help"Or, as they say at the HD's here in SoCal, "puedes hacerlo, podemos ayudarte."
BruceT
Big spike
Interesting choice of words.
"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Here's the full story for anyone who didn't catch the program. Fortunately I can count myself as one of those who hasn't yet nailed my hand to the subfloor. LOL
Morning Edition, April 13, 2007 · There has been a spike in nail-gun injuries. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cited 37,000 nail-gun injuries in its most recent annual report, a figure that is up 200 percent since 1991. They blame cheaper, more widely available tools found at home hardware stores. Injuries among professional construction workers remained static.
It is the fault of the pros. They all charge too much, thus the rush to DIY.
I'm gonna write my congressman, and both my senators, Mr. Schumer and Ms. Clinton. They should be able to fix this with legislation.
Yeah, Schumer will fix it, all right. He'll introduce legislation to ban nail guns. Call it the "assault-type nailer" bill.George Patterson
Call it the "assault-type nailer" bill.
Yeah, I don't see any legitimate reason for a gun to have a magazine capacity of more than eight shots.
Maybe we can get Joycelyn Elders to help design some "safer guns and safer bullets."
;)
"It is the fault of the pros. They all charge too much"
Ha, ha. I thought you were going to say "It's the fault of the pros -- they need to shoot themselves in the foot more often and get their numbers up to match the increasing numbers of DIYers who have attached themselves to the floor!
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
Edited 4/13/2007 11:25 am ET by MikeHennessy
"Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted."Its somewhat misleading in that I suspect nail-gun use /ownership among consumers has risen more than 3x since '91 so injuries per user may actually be less than the '91 levels .
Its somewhat misleading in that I suspect nail-gun use /ownership among consumers has risen more than 3x since '91 so injuries per user may actually be less than the '91 levels .
Do you dare suggest that this may be an example of All Things Distorted?
;)
How could anything be other than truthful, fair, and balanced on NPR? They sure do convince me, with their thoughtful tone, excellent enunciation, and calm demeanor, whenever reporting anything.
Whaddya think? Do they all use the same voice coach?
Someone, I forget who, said he stopped listening to public radio beacause of the quiet little smugness that all the announcers had.
Maybe he's right, but I really dislike the other choices more.
Forrest
I wuz wondering who would step up to the plate, and give up a more apt description, of the golden tones of the NPR show hosts and commentators.
I'm sorry . . . "reporters" is not apropos.
Quiet little smugness says it all.
I'm with you. I can't tolerate other news-talk radio, nor most morning "music" channels since they are usually 2-3 people talking about odd stuff and trying to be funny. My drive home is usually very rural, so if I am listening to a music channel, I usually flip back to NPR at the first traffic report.
I'll skip off NPR for music or some lighthearted chat sometimes, but rarely.
I've always thought that there is a place out there for a radio equivalent of the Discovery Channel. (non-satelite)
Whaddya think? Do they all use the same voice coach?
I think they all used the same "coach" in the re-education camps. ;)
<All Things Distorted?>
Freakin LOL! As an every-morning listener 5-7, I really appreciate that
Forrest
<All Things Distorted?>
Freakin LOL! As an every-morning listener 5-7, I really appreciate that
Glad I could help! By the way, the "quiet little smugness" comment got me LMAO. I'm sure I'll think of that every time I hear the programming now.
Big spike in nail gun injuries...
Didn't anyone else find that punny?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/04/12/injuries.nailguns.reut/index.html
I'm wondering how many of these are from framing nailers, which I think require a little bit more to get used to with the recoil and the power they have... set that thing on bump-fire and watch the nails ricochet around the room...
PJ
That's a Hilti PAD. Just any file picture will do when they run something like that.
I've seen pad injuries from shoot throughs and ricochets, but I have never seen anyone nail themself with one. I guess it can be done, but not as easily as bump firing with a phuenatic nailer.
Dave
So, is it better to hit your DIY thumb with a hammer again and again,
or just spike it to a stud with a nailgun and get it over with in one swell foop?
Now that's a worthwhile question for the Center for Disease Control.
Edited 4/13/2007 11:16 am ET by Hudson Valley Carpenter
I believe "Great Moments in Building History" recently ran a story related to this topic. Guy nailed his hand to the floor, while just out of reach of the claw hammer (to pull it out). Oops. :D As for DIY injuries: there's a reason we work in SKILLED trades. And, as Rush Limbaugh has pointed out, the real pros make difficult tasks look easy. Or, as they say on Mythbusters "We're real pros, we do this for a living ... DON'T try this stuff yourself." Unfortunately, the 'knee-jerk' crowd will respond by trying to create barriers to the DIY doing things. I believe that is the wrong approach. Rather, let the DIY screw it up a few times ... then he might have some respect for the trades! It just might take a few nails in the hand for your typical college-educated chairborne commando to "un-learn" the anti-trade snobbery that he learned in school. We're more than trained chimps with tool belts.
this article just seems to be typical of the kind of the alarmism the media loves. So DIY nail gun injuries are up 300% since '91. How many DIYers had nailers in '91? zero? 10? If DIY nailer use is up 3000% (made that number up) since '91 would it be surprising that injuries are up 300%?I also love that, as best as I can tell, the item in the picture with the article is not a nailer, but a PATFWIW, since reading about all the nailer injuries here, I've been a whole lot more careful with my nailers. I really don't have any desire to nail myself to a stud.
"You can use statistics to prove anything, 94% of people know that" -Homer Simpson
How many DIYers had nailers in '91? zero? 10?
Good point. I didn't have a framing nailer then, but had 3 bulldozers and a dump truck for DIY, about everything in between except framing nailers. Still love to swing a hammer too much, incl. DIY blacksmithing, have never made a spring or air powered hammer even. My brother had a Senco then though, so at least 1 DIY had a framing nailer in '91.
BTW, I did my share to keep the injury statistics high for DIY bulldoz Ster drivers <G>
At 62, framing nailer for even 4-5 sticks sure is nice now, especially for what used to be easy underhand swings - tough to sink more than just a few 16d now on a backhand upswing with only 2 strokes.
Just curious about when framing nailers became as common as tape measures?I started my working life as a mechanic, and I know air powered impact wrenches have been around for a long time, but a few shops would provide one or two of each, and the mechs wouldn't have there own, that was rare but not unheard of when I started.Now days they all have 1/2" and 3/8" 14.4 snap-on electrics in there box in the back of the truck, and a whole slew of air guns in the chest back at the shop.A medium to large guy named Alan, not an ambiguous female....
NOT that there is anything wrong with that.
<<Just curious about when framing nailers became as common as tape measures?>>
I first encountered them on a union job at West Point in 1970. Used only for nailing plywood sheathing, they were big and heavy, spewed a lot of tranny fluid.
bigal4102, Out here they were first used in trailer factories and modular home factories. All the guys who part timed as framers would "borrow" hoses, staplers and guns from the plants. Maybe mid seventies, air staplers were first , then finish guns then the framing guns.
First ones I saw were Senco, although Halstead actually was the first to be sold up here.. Strange thing about the source of them here is that virtually everybody uses the same style couplings on hoses etc. that the trailer plants use.
I figure that they were so common because of the "borrowing" that went on that all the stores just started stocking them as th ecommon item.
I have worked in other parts of the country just a bit and have never seen the same style couplers used as the common item.
My partner told me once that in 1965 he worked with a local residetial builder here in NH who was the first in the area to have a set of air framers. He said the builder went out bought a whole set from a salesman that included multiple framing guns, hoses and a compressor, they were the old battleship gray Paslodes. I've seen them around in junk shops, heavy enough to anchor a boat.I always get a kick out of how the youngun's who might work with us here and there marvel at his hand nailing speed, when the occasion for such arises. And he says he's slowed down these days.
<<We're more than trained chimps with tool belts.>>
And don't you forget it!
http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/41669/41669_1123626292.jpg
Damn Right!!
Could I have another banana please?
Hey, that looks like Piffin..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
And, as Rush Limbaugh has pointed out, the real pros make difficult tasks look easy.
Dear god, what would he know about real pros?
Rick D, Maybe he was talking about "Pro" drug addicts?
Now, now, let's be nice. Rush has, by any measure, accomplished amazing things in his field. Whether you like this Nobel nominee or not, his achievemnts stand on their own. I believe he makes this statement, though, whenever a pro athlete does something amazing. After all, what looks easier than Pro sports? Yet, how few become that good at them?
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Now, now, let's be nice. Rush has, by any measure, accomplished amazing things in his field.>>
In his field, measuring by weight, he has certainly deposited tons of manure. That is, indeed, amazing. Another amazing thing, to me anyway, is how slavish are his adherents. If Rush were a real intellect, he would stimulate independent thought, not attract a herd of sheep, most of whom even wear the same type of loud neck ties as their esteemed alpa ram.
You would do yourself a favor to learn some objective facts about propaganda, what it is and what it seeks to accomplish. Propaganda is the bread and butter of talk radio. And it's purpose, in this case, is to generate income by polarizing opinion. Nothing very amazing or "noble" in that.
Well, I do think the person who supplied all his illegal medication was probably a professional of some sorts.
"Dear god, what would he know about real pros?"Probably something he learned from a ten year old while in the Dominican Republic.
Probably something he learned from a ten year old while in the Dominican Republic
??? Ok, fill me in.
I am not ashamed to admit that my knowledge of Rush Limbaugh is rather limited.
Last year, he was detained in an airport on a trip to the Dominican Republic because he was found to have prescription drugs on his person without a prescription, apparently some viagra in an unmarked bottle.It became a huge embarrassment for him after just having the flap about the oxycontin addiction. Much speculation was made as to the purpose of his vacation when armed with such 'artillery'. The Dominican Republic, a corrupt third world island has a huge underworld market economy in prostitution, in particular, child prostitution, which is not regulated and promulgated by the local police there. It is a popular 'sex tour' destination for those who wish to engage in activities that would land one in prison in more organized countries.Rush made no apologies for his trip and in fact, made a lot of hay about the flap and made the statement on one program, "I sure had a lot of fun there, I'd like to tell you all about it, but I can't."
Didn't know that story. How nice - I can add possible child rapist to the list of his accomplishments. When is his trip to Thailand?
I resent the use of innuendo to take the place of logic, or fact. My parents just vacationed in the Dominican Republic. Yet, you lead the reader to believe that one cannot possibly have legitimate vacation experiences in that lovely tropic isle. I have, over the years, crossed paths with a number of folks who are well known to the public. You can be sure that not a single one of them has ANYTHING in the name that the public knows. The reason? Twofold ... first, there is the privacy issue. You will not find Brad Pitt's home phone in the book- of that you can be sure. Ditto for plane tickets, prescriptions, car license, etc.
Secondly, many 'public' figures find it useful to maintain separate identities for different parts of their lives. There is their private life -where there is the good neighbor, loving father, ordinary 'Joe' ... and there is their 'work persona' where they are Mr. Policeman, Mr. Rock Star, etc. You also imply that there is something wrong with prostitution. I suppose you also find something sinister about casinos, 24/7 alcohol availability, and firearms. If that is the case, I suggest you avoid Nevada ... where all are legal. The next poster follows up with can best be described as 'fighting words.' Were we not discussing a public figure, there would be ample cause for a libel suit. I really don't care what one thinks of Rush- but I do find it instructive that those who hate him immediately revert to personal smears. It's one thing to dislike a mans' politics ... and another to let your dislike become an obsession. After all, this thread IS about NPR. Maybe it's about media reporting in general. I don't think it's about libel against a man who has more folks tune in in five minutes, than NPR has listen in a week.
When an American male goes to a third world country to engage in prostitution with anyone, of whatever age, it cannot be defended as an exercise in free expression...not for those who engaged in prostitution with him. Or do you believe that prostitutes in third world countries chose that profession for themselves?
If Mr. Limp bough wants to try passing it all off with a wink, that's fine...for him. But that doesn't mean anyone else must accept his narrow, self serving definition.
"When an American male goes to a third world country to engage in prostitution with anyone, of whatever age, it cannot be defended as an exercise in free expression..."You are right. It is not free expression.
It is free enterprise.What if an other 3rd world persons goes to the prostitute and only pays $1..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
<<You are right. It is not free expression.It is free enterprise.>>
Must be nice world you live in, huh? Everything is so black and white.
Well, I'm not going to argue with you. I really believe in "what goes around, comes around." So, just..ah...don't drop the soap. ;-)
"Well, I'm not going to argue with you. I really believe in "what goes around, comes around." So, just..ah...don't drop the soap. ;-)"There you go with UNFOUNDED INNUENDO AGAIN..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Let's see ... business ethics ... I did a job for the Mustang Ranch. My money was waiting as I packed up my tools. I did a job for one of those '900' number operations; my money was ready before I left the lot. I do a job for a church; FIVE months later, after numerous attempts to get me to donate the work, I got paid. I did a job for the "worlds' largest retailer" (a place that electronically presents your check immediately), and got paid 88 days later. Forgive me if I question the "standard" measures of the 'respectability' of a business. Another scenario: A wealthy single man goes to a tropical paradise, hoping to meet beautiful ladies, and maybe even get lucky. How can some say that, as if it were a bad thing? Some folks need to lighten up, perhaps relax a bit. I can even suggest a place near me ..... :D
You mean they didn't offer to trade your work for theirs? ;-)
Well now, didn't I open up a can o' worms.Fact: The Dominican Republic may in fact be a nice vacation place for some, but the fact is that a huge portion of the population is impoverished and oppressed by a corrupt and out of whack political system. The proliferation of sex tourism is well documented, see here for an example: http://www.ecpat.net/eng/ecpat_inter/Publication/Other/English/Pdf_page/ecpat_sex_tourism_dom_rebublic.pdfBut I imagine you'd call that a left wing conspiracy report. I'm not going to get into the debate of prostitution here, suffice to say, I don't support the institution in whatever form. I also find it quite telling that such wide support exists for the institution while simultaneously, wide support exists for the continuation of the criminalization of it. Criminalization continues untold oppression and suffering for the prostituted, while benefiting pimps and users/abusers.I'd also posit that the fact that legalized brothels pay their bills ontime doesn't immediately qualify the institution as wholly without fault. But I also don't agree with those who wish to dehumanize those who engage in prostitution, so that they may pay their bills ontime I guess would only be a surprise to those who believe that prostitutes are the embodiment of vile human lust. I don't think human lust or sex is vile and I sure as hell wish us humans could get past the point where some feel they have a right to own a person for a few hours in exchange for a few bucks.As for Rush's problems with the viagra transport, just google 'rush viagra' and find out for yourself.As for 'innuendo' on Rush, frankly a man who makes his entire living giving life to old dead social mythologies, lies and innuendo himself, defending him against such (if such occurred) seems hypocritical at best.
"As for Rush's problems with the viagra transport, just google 'rush viagra' and find out for yourself."I already had when I replied first. And as I said you had it wrong."As for 'innuendo' on Rush, frankly a man who makes his entire living giving life to old dead social mythologies, lies and innuendo himself, defending him against such (if such occurred) seems hypocritical at best."So what you are saying is that you lowered yourself to the same level as Rush..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
"So what you are saying is that you lowered yourself to the same level as Rush."Yeah, probably, but I get tired of saying nothing. As for the rest, I'd rather just end it at that as I don't think our political leanings are all that important when speaking of the trade.Frankly, I have respect for and hire and work with people who disagree with me on political issues, but I prefer to not let that get in the way of our work. All I ask is that I am given the benefit of the doubt when doing this work without getting hung up about my gender. I've found that 99% of the time, most people are good people regardless of their political leanings and we can work together and be honest, get the job done well and prosper together.I've only had one guy be a total asshat with me (making innuendo type comments on the phone and in person) and I just put it aside and said nothing. I really wish I had said something right off to shut him up, but I'm not perfect and still working on dealing with such issues.
Edited 4/19/2007 10:41 am ET by girlbuilder
Thanks for posting the link to that report. It served to both confirm what I've learned over many years and to better define certain aspects of the machismo mentality.
I'm glad that someone bothered to read it, its pretty difficult to digest.
<<I'm glad that someone bothered to read it, its pretty difficult to digest.>>
What's more difficult for me to digest are those ignorant people who fail to see the connection between childhood abuse and the obsessive behaviors which such tramatic events cause. Perhaps if they would take the time to read the report you linked, they'd begin to see how personal history repeats itself, just as does all human history.
<<Another scenario: A wealthy single man goes to a tropical paradise, hoping to meet beautiful ladies, and maybe even get lucky. How can some say that, as if it were a bad thing?>>
Oh, I see you took my earlier advice and learned something about propaganda. Tropical paradise, huh? Nice phrase.
<<There you go with UNFOUNDED INNUENDO AGAIN.>>
That's right! In U endo.
"It became a huge embarrassment for him "
"Rush made no apologies for his trip and in fact, made a lot of hay about the flap and made the statement on one program, "Does not seem like an embarrassment, much less a HUGE ONE.Where did you come to this FACT? Or did you just make it up?"Last year, he was detained in an airport on a trip to the Dominican Republic because he was found to have prescription drugs on his person without a prescription, apparently some viagra in an unmarked bottle."Like you made that up.None of it is true..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
"Much speculation was made as to the purpose of his vacation when armed with such 'artillery'. The Dominican Republic, a corrupt third world island has a huge underworld market economy in prostitution, in particular, child prostitution, which is not regulated and promulgated by the local police there. It is a popular 'sex tour' destination for those who wish to engage in activities that would land one in prison in more organized countries."And what else would one expect from the leftwing wacko moonbats..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
The Dominican Republic, a corrupt third world island has a huge underworld market economy in prostitution, in particular, child prostitution, which is not regulated and promulgated by the local police there. It is a popular 'sex tour' destination for those who wish to engage in activities that would land one in prison in more organized countries.
I agree with you -- it's absolutely disgusting that rich Americans go to the Dominican Republic to satisfy their appetites for child prostitution. Obviously, there's no legitimate reason for anyone famous to go there. If Rush went to the Dominican Republic, there's only one logical conclusion we can make of it.
With that in mind:
"Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton has stepped off the presidential campaign trail for a few days, heading to the Dominican Republic to spend Easter weekend at the swank Punta Cana Resort and Spa.
She was joined by her husband, former President Bill Clinton, and their daughter Chelsea at the home of fashion designer Oscar de la Renta, a Dominican native.
The Clintons have vacationed numerous times at the Caribbean resort since 2000, when Bill Clinton was closing out his second term in the White House."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264600,00.html
Gee, I wonder what the Clintons are doing in that "tropical paradise"? <wink, wink> I always knew that Bill was a child molestor, but now I know that Hillary just can't get enough of it, either. "Numerous times", eh? When will the madness stop???
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Your point is taken. The Clintons though went as a family, so it seems at least a bit better. Also, despite their shortcomings, no one can hold a candle to Rush's practice of making a living stirring up old cultural prejudices and stereotypes to benefit himself and the entrenched powerful. That said, the Clintons like so many other politicos don't convince me too much that they understand or care to change the condition of the working class. Not when they live like kings, which of course requires a whole plethora of underpaid workers to serve their needs. What's most disgusting is to see someone like Bill Clinton who did come up from poverty, so eager to lose their memory in an effort to claim kinship with the upper echelons.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=88560.93"As for the rest, I'd rather just end it at that as I don't think our political leanings are all that important when speaking of the trade."But you haven't.In fact in same message, as soon as you wrote that statement you immeditately followed it by more political comments..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
General comments Mr. Hartmann, general comments.
The web has thousands of sites where I love Rush, Hate Bill, Lust after Hilary, whatever. I can cuss the Bushes and toast Teddy to my hearts' content there. The funny thing is, I have yet to see a thread about, say, the deficit get drawn off on a tangent by some fool interjecting that he likes Senco nail guns. Or wondering the best way to waterproof his basement. For some reason, some folks can't even take out the trash without trying to make it a political statement. Then again, some folks just can't stand success. They are happy to wallow in their misery, all the while taking cheap shots at the successful. Folks who can't operate a pocket calculator are full of bile regarding Bill Gates (just as an example). Likewise, one needs to watch it with the innuendo. I remember a few years ago, when some folks had loads of fun with the hot gossip. A certain, very successful talk-show host was rumored to be involved in some nasty legal proceedings, involving child sex, Aids, etc. As it turned out, the gossips had managed to take a few facts, and get the tale exactly backwards. That particular man had his own son drugged by a teacher on a school outing, raped, and infected with Aids. The son has died, and the perp is serving a life term. The host was very much the victim ... and not the evil person he was said to be. As for the Dominican Republic ... bad as some might consider it, there are worse places. The slurs against that isle completely ignore the very large, legitimate tourism industry that exists. As I said before, my parents vacation there .... after years of vacationing in Mexico, they are happy for the change of scenery. There is no reason to infer that Rush, or any other individual, goes there for anything more sinister than avoiding the winter snow. Just because a person is a public figure is no reason to wallow in vile speculation. If you don't KNOW something like that, to the standard that you can defend a libel suit ... maybe you'ld best keep it to yourself.
Just do a google on -Hillary Clinton lesbian-.Lots of intereting rummors..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Don't let this happen to you.
Oregon man survives 12 nails to the head
33-year-old meth user attempted suicide using nail gun, doctors say
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12425803/
They should have run that story on Good Friday.
- r
That article brings up lots of questions.Was he a pro meth head or a DIYer? What column does this go into."Surgeons removed the nails with needle-nosed pliers and a drill, and the man survived with no serious lasting effects, according to a report on the medical oddity in the current issue of the Journal of Neurosurgery."And it looked like DIYers instead or pro carpenters where used to remove them..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
"Surgeons removed the nails with needle-nosed pliers and a drill, and the man survived with no serious lasting effects, according to a report on the medical oddity in the current issue of the Journal of Neurosurgery."
My Father, who is a Neuropsychologist had a chuckle at that. Even a good concussion leaves a permanent change in brain function. You may learn to compensate, but you are never the same after you drive a nail into your head. Neuroplasticity only goes so far.
I've managed to drive three nails through my fingers. I still maintain it hurts a lot less than a good hit to the thumb with a framing hammer.
Oregon man survives 12 nails to the head
Must have used a pinhead nailer.
Real brilliant reporting on the nail sizes: "The study did not say how long the nails were, and a hospital spokeswoman refused to release that information. A photo published in the study suggests the nails range from 1½ to 2 inches long."So the reporter looks at the picture and concludes that the nails range from 1 1/2" to 2" long, meaning that when the first nails didn't do the trick the guy re-loaded with progressively longer nails?BruceT
Ya, "cross your feet please. I've only got one nail left?
"Ya, "cross your feet please. I've only got one nail left?"
Exacatackly, rw. The thought came from an earlier poster joking about nailing his hand to a stud...
He was a carp after all, wadn't he? - r
Edited 4/17/2007 2:45 pm ET by ruination
If I may.. I'd like to throw in the opinion of a humble DIY-er.
I own 2 nailers: 1 18 ga. Brad Nailer and 1 15 ga. Angled Finish Nailer. (Both Porter-Cable.) They are two of my favorite tools, and also 2 of the most respected.
I've owned them for about 4 years now, and I recall that shortly after their purchase, I started noticing much more marketing of these nailers in the DIY world. There seem to be many more of the 16/18 ga models available; and I've seen a lot more combo-packs with a pancake compressor and each of a 16 ga and 18 ga nailer. (Not to derail the post, but what can you do with a 16 ga that you can't do with a 18 or 15? Besides sell more combo packs? Forgive my ignorance...)
My guess to the spike in injuries is similar to the earlier posts: 1) more nailers sold & more HGTV = more injuries; 2) lack of respect that these are *power* tools. A weekend warrior will use safety equipment (maybe) for a circular saw because it's a "real" power tool. But a nailer? There's no blade, bit, etc. to worry about. What could possibly go wrong. It's just point and shoot, right?
Personally? On my first project with the brad nailer (nailing some cap rail to some wainscot panels), I had a brad hit a DW screw, curl around and smack me right on my safety goggles. Maybe I'm a wuss for reading the instructions and using common sense, but I always wear eye protection using those things or any other power tool.
Isn't this like wearing a cup in baseball? If you get hit there and weren't wearing one... well, not a lot of sympathy.
As for not respecting the trades, all I have to do is think about hanging a door, and it's all yours. Can I do it? Sure, but it takes me WAY MORE time, and I still probably didn't get plumb.
Anyway, just a few drop-in thoughts from a homeowner/DIY-er whose alter ego spends his time here, outside the desk job world.
DIY here. I have and use:15, 16 and 18 ga PC stick nailers
Hitachi NV83AS coil nailer
Always wear safety glasses. Keep hands 8" away from tip. Don't use hands as clamps. Always oil tool before use.
The pros around here don't seem to do any of the above except oil.
Jeff
I took a picture (which I can't find at the moment) after test firing my Bostitch 18ga. gun before installing some trim. Two 2" nails shot into the edge of a 2x4 about an inch apart... and two nicely shiney nails curling out the edge of the board. Each one of them caught the grain of the old DF wood and each made a 90 degree turn from the direction they were shot.
Just before I shot them, I thought "maybe I better hold the wood a little further away from the gun just to be safe". It's nice when a little caution pays off right away.
Personally, an illustration of common nail accidents might go a long way. How many other people have ever seen a nail do a 180 after they shot it... I'll bet they didn't know that was possible until they actually did it the first time... hope that hand wasn't in the way.
Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
<How many other people have ever seen a nail do a 180 after they shot it..<
Me me me!
Especially putting on base or casing with a 15 gauge nailer and 2" nails, and hitting a buried DW screw or nail - had some do that this week - no pix, tho'
Forrest