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someone explain the nils selection for nail guns. 20,21,22 degree, will a bostick shoot a 20 if its a 21 degree gun. what about length what about diameter.
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johnnie.. go to a good tool retailer , especially one that has gun repairs in house...
almost every gun will shoot some form of generic nail.. some better than others.....stick nailers are easier to please..
usually it depends on the collating method.. (plastic or paper or wire)
*I did, he was the local senco dealer, said he would not answer any question till I bought the senco pro700xl $385. Then he would not let me out of the store till I bought something. Wasn't looking for free advise just the best deal for what I needed. Ten minute later I bought the bostick, at another store, really not the best but price was OK and wasn't pressured
*lots of generics for bostich... but i usually try to get Bostich for Bostich..course... i live 10 miles from the Bostich plant ....so ..but really.. it's jsut not worth the few bucks to run the wrong nails thru my guns
*Still made in R.I., Mike? Curious ......their prices still seem competitive with the imports.
*..j... i don't think so..probably just distribution now...
*Johnnie, one of the major components of your decision to purchase a gun should have been availability of a nail source, and availability of repair people.You might have saved $100 on the bostich, but might end up with a white elephant or major headaches getting specialty nails. Many of the retailers don't like to stock a wide variety of supplies. For instance, I can get my framing gun nails from the local HD, but can't get a box of wide crown staples unless I special order them. I think we all know that special ordering something from the big box means three trips and several months or weeks...blue
*I bought the bostick at HD just for that reason, But right now is the clip nail sale due to after the first county will not let builder use clip nail any more. But I'm confused about the 20, 21, 22 degree nails in the round head dept. W@hat about 8 penny vs 16 penny. And also what size do yall frame with. all I can find for the gub is a 12 penny
*12d is a great nail for gun framing....you don't need anything bigger until you get to built-up beams... or if a nailing schedule requires it..8d & 12 d would be my first choice for gun framing...
*Johnnie, I use a clipped head 3" .131 paslode or paslode generic. They are all cement coated. Nothing has fallend down yet. If you think it needs a little more holding power, pull the trigger again, and again, and again.blue
*I use Generac nails in my Bostich N88w all of the time. The Bostich nails have always been bent in a slight U and when I run 16p 3 1/2 inch they tend to stick and misfire in the gun. Generac nails seem to be better in that respect plus I like to save money whenever I can. I do like how fast it is to load the nails and when you're nailing into hardwood you need the power that only Bostich has!
*My senco round head shoots generics just fine. Lots cheaper than senco nails too. The only ones it hasn't liked so far were the paslode ring shanks I used for my subfloor.I seem to recall being told that there are some 22 degree guns and some 20 degree guns, and the generic nails are 21 degree to work in both.
*Johnnie,The term "generic" is somewhat misleading, as all nails come with a brand name. Some brands are just better than others.It's not crucial that you use the same brand as the manufacturer, but it is important to know that there are real differences between nails, including materials and manufacturing tolerances.A degree either way is probably not a real big deal. If the collation angle of your "generic" (i.e. other than OEM) nails is too far off, they won't run through the gun real well. If this happens, don't persist because you can damage the gun. That's a relatively minor consideration.The major consideration is that the nailing schedules in your code book are intended to provide a certain connection strength with a given fastener, and assume certain things about the nails you use to do so.When you buy nails, look for a code evaluation report listing on the box (typically NER-272), or the ISANTA label.Some of the less expensive nails sold at home centers are not evaluated. There is a reason for this, and it isn't good. Nails made with inferior steel, undersized wire, and bad production processes are trouble.Nails are the wrong place to save money, especially in costal, high wind, or seismic areas.As for clipped versus round, many manufacturers have come up with offset round heads that will run through guns designed for clipped heads. I run offset round heads through my Paslode with no trouble.The biggest concern is don't overdrive the nails, especially for sheathing. This is really important, and the main reason why clipped head nails have been "outlawed" in so many places.I'm with Blue on the 3" by .131" -- great all-around framing nail. Use those for the framing and 2-3/8 ring-shanks for the sheathing and you're all set.If there's any doubt about nail placement, check your code book. There will be nailing schedules you can follow.Likewise on the Paslode. If you can't find nails for your gun that meet NER-272, it really isn't much of a bargain. If you decide to return it, check out the Paslode Powermaster. For under $300, I don't think you can find a tougher or more reliable gun, and good-quality nails are readily available almost everywhere.Dave
*mike had some sage advice about gun purchases. The shops that provide tools, specialty and common fasteners and repair have a good thing going. They stock a dizzy array of fasteners for the guns they sell, and stock the repair parts for those tools if they need the maintenance or servicing, and have qualified help to do the repair. Usually at the cost of parts alone, if you're buying your fasteners from them. They deliver to the jobsite for free, pick up and drop off tool repairs for free, and stock the good supply items to keep the jobs running. To hell with Home Despot!Oh yeah, almost forgot. Hitachi. Guns and nails. I frame w/ 131 3 1/4, mostly to piss off the electricians and plumbers who get their sleeves and fingers shredded on the poke-outs. Just kidding, it's cause the structural engineers keep calling for 160 3 1/2's, and I cannot stand framing walls with those clunker guns. I put so many nails into my frame the inspectors walk up and shake their heads in disbelief. But, each fire of the gun must =one fire of my one good synapse....no stupid nailing allowed.
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someone explain the nils selection for nail guns. 20,21,22 degree, will a bostick shoot a 20 if its a 21 degree gun. what about length what about diameter.