I had a customer bring in a house plan with a situation that I haven’t run across before.
The house has a full basement with poured concrete walls. At the top of the foundation wall there’s a 4″ wide by 24″ deep brick ledge.
The curious thing is that they only want brick up to the top of the foundation – Not all the way up the wals. This is intended to give the look of a brick foundation. So framed floor and walls will extend out past the concrete and over the brick space.
They want to use wood webbed floor trusses. On the ends of the trusses I can cantilever them 4″ to support the walls/roof easily enough. But what about the walls parallel to the floor system?
The GC doesn’t want to wait for the brick guys to lay all the brick before they frame the house. And he’s not sure they can get the top of the brick level enough to use it as load bearing anyway.
There is no architect or engineer on this job – The plan was just done by a draftsman, and he has no idea how to do it. There are no building codes to deal with or building departments.
The GC is a good guy, and wants to do it right. He’s looking to me for ideas, but I don’t have many.
Just thought I’d throw it out and see if any of you have done something similar.
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Wouldn't' you do this like an old framer would? Stop the floor truss from the parallel walls 16"- 24" back, double it then attach shorts from this out over the parallel wall your 4". If this is a 2 story or a hip roof you might need to go further back.
I'm not a engineer but this would be my approach to someone who was to start the conversation.
In typical framing I would have done this with my floor joist, setting back only 24" so that I would be at mid span under the sub flooring might even invert some joist hangers as well.
Another thought is applying a 3/8" lentil plate the lengtg of the wall and extending out your 4" laying back over the foundation wall it's width. Then just bring the framing on down to sit on this.
Edited 4/27/2007 9:56 am by jagwah
I thought about doing some perpendicular floor trusses that cantilevered out on the sides too. But I was trying to avoid the expense of the extra floor trusses, hangers, and labor.
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A. The masons absolutely can get it level enough.
B 2x10 end trusses
C. Microlam mudsill.
D. 4x10 mudsill with countersunk 9"x1/2 lags 4'OC.
E. 4x4 angle iron bolted to top of footing.
F. Ladder frame.
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I don't get the part about the GC being a good guy.
He want to do things backwards, can't wait a couple days for the bricklayers, wants to make their work three times as hard, shows no confidence in their ability to lay brick level....
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I mean he's a good guy IN GENERAL - Good friend, treats his employees well, does good work, etc. To say he "can't wait a couple days for the bricklayers" doesn't sound right to me. Bricklayers around here are few and far between. Most of them are like people here on BT talk about regarding painters and drywallers - Unreliable drunks.So to avoid holding up a project to wait on an unrelaible sub sounds reasonable to me.
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I see.In situation like that or when the good ones are too busy to come to the island, I will do the work myself rather than hold the job up or work backaswards.
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tell him to change the foundation from concrete to block.
This way he HAS to get the bricklayer out there.
I've never seen a block foundation - They just aren't done around here.
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"I had a customer bring in a house plan with a situation that I haven't run across before.
The house has a full basement with poured concrete walls. At the top of the foundation wall there's a 4" wide by 24" deep brick ledge."
Is the basement poured already? If not, why not make that a 3/4" deep brick ledge and put 1/2" veneer bricks on the surface? That way they can be applied before or after framing but will not affect anything structural either way.
Interesting idea. I'll suggest that to the guy.
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