Hey which paint brands do you all prefer? My choices where i live are
Glidden, Behr, Sherwin Williams, Martha Stewart, MAB, American Tradition and Olympic. Glidden has some paint at home depot called ultra hide i was looking at. Anyone ever use the Sherwin Williams Superpaint?
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I use Benjamin Moore almost exclusively. It's popular around here so my customers have heard of it and know that I'm using a premium paint. But even beyond that, I think it's good stuff and use it on my own home.
Given the choices you listed, I would probably go with Sherwin Williams. I've used their Cashmere line and I was very pleased with it. I haven't used their SuperPaint. They do have an awful lot of choices in interior paints. I would stay away from their "contractor" lines.
I haven't been impressed with any so-called "one-coat coverage" paints. Sometimes 1 coat is enough and sometimes not. It's a function of the color change and how porous or smooth the old surface is. In fact, if 1 coat were always possible, every paint would be able to achieve it (who would want to be left behind?) and then nobody would advertise it because it would be a given. I mean, you don't see anybody advertising that their paint cans have handles.
-Don
Hi,
Check out Consumers Union for tests and suggestions. I have an online subscription. I get helpful information to make important decisions. Though not my only source as I get so much good info on this site. From your availability list, Consumers give Behr good ratings for interior applications and Glidden for exterior applications.
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I've used plenty of SW Superpaint. I always add Floetrol and really like the product.
BUT, I now prefer SW Duration without Floetrol. Spreads easier and finishes smoother.
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100% aggreement with the Duration. Tired the Benjamin Moore, and it was okay, but not great...can't remember which line it was, but I switched to SW and never looked back.
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Like ALL paints, Duration requires two coats for no shadows, but those two coats are much easier on the painter (me).
ONE THING, though... trying to match an old color of Superpaint with a new can of Duration will require them to color match with the computer. Even then, it may be a bit off.
Don't ask how I know... two times over.
You're tag line is a classic, also.Troy Sprout
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agreed on all points...my experience as well. Thanks for the feedback. He is one of my heroes..... Merry Christmas and Happy New year..."The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a governmental program" -Ronald Reagan
The devil is in the details.... I like the idea of the plastic jug with the screw-on cap. That packaging is used on Sherwin-William's "consumer" (read bottom shelf) lines. At the other end of the quality scale is Pratt & Lambert. And that's just staying within the Sherwin-Williams "families." While I am the first to recognize the great differences between different paints, to me the paint is the least important factor as well. I find the preparation to be far, far more important- and laborious! Which brings up; what is being painted? Fresh, virgin drywall can usually be covered just fine with the cheapest, thinnest stuff around ... while a weathered, graffiti damaged surface will need as good a paint as you can get. Often under-appreciated, an appropriate primer can make a huge difference. Try painting either bare steel or cedar fencing with white latex, and you'll soon see why! Finally, the type of paint comes into play. While the solvent type isn't as much an issue as it once was, the gloss certainly matters!
I like SW Pro Classic Acrylic. Thin 15-20% and spray from a HVLP for cab finishing. Usually shoot two coats of primer then two coats of finish.
Once the paint is on the wall and dry it doesn't matter what the brand is. But if you are the one that has to apply the paint then the brand does matter. I have found Benjamin Moore to go on the wall with minimal fuss, no drips and it covers very well. Paint is cheap compared to the amount of effort needed to do the job.
>>> Once the paint is on the wall and dry it doesn't matter what the brand is.
Nonsense. Are you saying that durability and fadeability and hiding power and the ability to scrub it without it washing off on the cleaning cloth ... are independent of the brand?
My experience is that of the brands I have tried recently (BM, Behr, Glidden) all are durable. Behr even has a lifetime warranty - but it is very hard to apply without drips. And it needs at least one extra coat. I don't know about fadability as I only use white or pastel colors. Hiding power is directly linked to the quality of the paint - cheap paint will require more coats. So you are right, when you use cheap paint even if the paint is dry you may not be done painting. I have to admit that I have never, not even once, scrubbed a wall so you have me there.
Good luck if you are limiting your shopping to HD!
SW has some excellemnt paints, but HD only has a limited selection of them. SW has specialty paint stores with knowledgeable staff to advise you on the best choices.
Here, Ben-Moore's lines of paints and the SW duration are favored. They hold up very well for this exposed coastal climate.
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BM is my fav. SW goes second. Behr is absolute garbage in any of their white paints. I tried it in a hall ceiling and threw the entire gallon out. It dripped worse than water.
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Not listed as available to you, but worth a look around is Valspar paint, I feel it is superior to BM.
Or at least it was the last time I used it. Has anyone else gone back to a paint after a couple of years to find that the formula had been changed; at least the product didn't perform as you remembered?
Maybe I've just been around too long.
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yeah, memories are subjective, but BM and most all paints have had their formulas all degraded by fed regulations and rules re VOCs over the past few years. I think SW is a step ahead of BM in making the change in a quality manner. I used to rate BM tops, now it's a toss-up betwen them and SW
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I think you're right about BM.I've used their interior paints since the 70's, and as they have fiddled around with their formulations to reflect the VOC's, I would have to say it is not the paint it used to be. Also, they have really jacked up the prices in recent years. Thing is, I don't know if that's a problem with all the various lines, or more specific to BM. I don't do that much painting, so I haven't systematically tried other brands, just kind of limped along with the high-priced BM stuff I am familiar with. Have any opinions about other/better brands?********************************************************
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Anybody use Coronado? A local store around here that sells most top brands swears by them and highly recommend them. They showed me some tests they made (about coverage and so forth) and it looks better than BM. I gained lotsa respect talking to the manager, a chemical engineer, made much sense with some of their recommendations and explanations.
Got to use a bit of it at a customer's job (paint trim with their supplied paint used elsewhere in the house) and I loved the smooth way the paint flowed. Very Limited experience that's why I ask.
I haven't heard of Coronado. Perhaps they're your local microbrew paint?
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Yeah, we have Coranado here and it's a better than average product. Porter Paint and BM are the top two around here (as far as painter's choices) with SW and Coronado right behind. P&L seems to have dissapeared.http://logancustomcopper.com
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I was always a fan of MAB. Their wall sheild is a excellent choice for ceilings, and in my own house I use eclipse on the walls. It's too expensive for a customers house, so they get SW super paint.
Where are you ? Fill out your profile - it helps to know what part of the country a poster is from. Pretty much a southeast company, I love Porter Paints, second choice is Ben Moore. 'Course, part of it, as with all of us, the Porter guys all know me by name, give me great service. If they're closing before I can get by the store, they leave my order at the service station next door !
Greg
Im in Philadelphia. thanks for the info everyone i didnt think there was a BM store in Philly but there are some stores that do sell BM paint. Any particular BM paint you all like ie Sherwin Williams has several type like the superpaint and the cashmere
If your in Philly, try to find a Fineren and Haley paint store.( not shore on the spelling) It's set up like an MAB or Sherwin Williams but better quality paint IMHO.
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I use Behr paint for some interiors. I painted my kids room three times in four years so I use the cheap HD stuff.
Exterior I only use BM. If I am going to climb a ladder and paint the side of my house I want it to last.
I found with my discount Wall shield is at least 8.00 cheaper then SW SP. I love the stuff. Unless a HO is set on a brand I use MAB.
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It's interesting that paint is kinda like beer -- there are big national brands like SW and BM, but there are also small local makers. Here in LA, we have one that's employee owned, and all their products are tailored for our air quality regulations -- Dunn Edwards. Once you start noticing, it's also surprising how much retail real estate is devoted to brand name paint stores.
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What brand comes is the square, plastic screw-off caps? I used that stuff for our bathroom. I LOVED the screw on paint cans. SO much nicer.
That said, the paint was crap. It took 4 coats to completely cover (it was a dark color, admittedly) and now if you wash it with a damp cloth, the cloth picks up all the pigment still.
I didn't know about valspar paints. They're a local company here. Ill have to check them out.
SW Duration I think. I know it's one of the SW paints.
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Square plastic w/ screw on top sounds like the new Pratt & Lambert packaging.
used quite a bit of there alkyd many years ago, great stuff. Been sticking w/ ol' Ben Moore last few years, and pretty much always latex. Somedays i just hate the way latex flows and can destroy the brush 15 minutes in to the job, but since it doesnt smell, get people dizzy and cleans up so easy it is something i will learn to live w/ if not love.
How does latex paint destroy the brush? I've used the same brush across a few days without problem. Sometimes, if it's dry or hot, the paint will dry on the bristles and it doesn't work as well, but that takes a lot longer than 15 minutes. Some of my brushes have been in use for several years.
I like the way latex paint flows. It's one of the reasons that I prefer working with latex to oil. For trim work, I will sometimes add Floetrol. Usually not for a new can, but for an old can that's been open a lot. The paint seems to thicken after a while. I used to add a little bit of water, but now I use Floetrol.
-Don
I think that several companies now make the screw off lid.Talked one professional painter that hates them.Unless you are continously keep the screws threads wiped clean the lid can freez up and not getting it off.I have not see a can lid that could not be pryed off..
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On thing not mentioned about SW Duration - they can't make certain colors. We were going to use it, but were told they could not match our color choice (terra cotta). We used Pratt & Lambert and found it to be a high quality paint. Over the years I have found SW paint to be mediocre for the price, and the service at the stores stinks. I tried to call in an order to be pre-mixed and they would not do it. I had to go to the store and wait in line behind three people, then wait for them to mix the paint.
MAB is good. I tried Martha Stewart and actually found it to be very good. BM used to be all that I used, but not anymore (not to make a pun)...
Used to use a lot of Pratt & Lambert too but can't find it now.
Sherwin Williams superpaint is a very good paint. I found MAB is just as good and much better price. They don't advertise so it's cheaper. I save about 8.00 a gallon. My BIL used it on there new house and was shocked. He was a firm BM user and said if you switched the label you couldn't tell the difference. I too love Floetrol.
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I like Pratt and Lambert. Expensive (they all are) but really good. Sherman Williams is my second choice.
Worst one I ever used was Behr. Lady bought it and insisted on using it. Junk. No adhesion. Terrible coverage. Time is money, go with the best.
I prefer Pratt & Lambert. Rolls out well, tends not to leave roller marks and flows pretty well for an Acrylic.
In the Northwest, Miller Paint is a local favorite, and they still carry a full line of Alkyds, which a lot of us still like to use on bath ceilings, kit ceilings and any other place that is going to get crud on it over time (including finger prints) that requires periodic scrubbing.
had fun at HD the other day...asked the very young sales girl where their alkyd paints were..."What?"..."What's an ell-kid"? "no"...I said..."an Al-Kid....you know...oil based paint". "Oh. Do you mean like what artists use..."she said. "yep", I replied..."I'm a real artist...ought to see the bathroom ceiling I'm about to do!"
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