I’ve got a few pet peeves when it comes to getting it exterior details done right. One of those that I see done wrong most of the time is that builders shove the siding directly against the roof. The following photos are pictures of a new nearly million dollar home that’s on the market in my area. This house is built by a major FHB author. Don’t you think he would know better. BTW, this is FC siding which currently requires 2″ clearance see:
http://www.jameshardie.com/pdf/hardiplankinstall.pdf
Thanks for letting me rant.
FF
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So, is this your way of telling him how to do it?
How do you know the cost of the house? Yours?
you are right, siding should have a good 3/4" to 1-1/2" clearance off the roof surface. I've never done 2" though. That can lead to other problems if you hold up too high. FC will disintegrate or delam if it sees too much water in freeze cycles. Does it freeze there in Arkansas?
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I was just saying that this is a pet peeve. It's wrong. I hoped that this kind of mistake wasn't being made by someone who should know better. I didn't say who it was. I'll let you figure that out.
Hardie says 2". If you don't like that tell them not me.
The house is listed on MLS. I wish it was mine. Nice interior.
Freezing: Yes, but not as much as it used to.
One thing that always catches my eye on newer const. Not just here, but everywhere, is the rake fascia boards scarfed with the bevel facing the flow of water..
Why can't a cut guy orient the joint to shed the water? I have seen numerous installs like that recently...or is it just my pickyness?
Oh, I agree with 2" being too high for off the roof. Even Copper steps don't need to showoff that much. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
I kidnapped the runaway bride..her eyse weren't like that in the before pics.
I looked at the .pdf file and it appears to me that Hardie is saying to leave 2" exposed measured on the plumb line. I always measure perpendicular to the roof pitch so this may account for the apparent mistake in the literature.
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The outside corner isn't very attractive either to my eye.
I hadn't noticed that but the corners are 2X stock. That material is rounded over on the edges and that makes the lines a little less clean.
Damn man, look at that corner shingle too...
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I saw that and figured it was the first of a woven valley
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I'll bet there's even some fingerprints on those window panes !!
Are we there yet ?
heh
Of.....course.
ahem, how silly of me.
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FF,
of course to be fair----shouldn't you really show us some snaps of A flawless masterpiece YOU created---so we can see how its done?
I suspect ANY house built ANYWHERE could have 10 contractors tour it and nitpick it to death.
My pet peeve???? anonymous critics of a guy who publishes and produces work in his own name.
Stephen
There two things I hate:One is complainers
The other is to discover too late, that there is no more toilet peper left on the rollboth are unpleasent
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Bill Murray: "Uh, well, I think so."
I just use a pet..when I peeve..LOL Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I've never created a flawless masterpiece and will not and can not. It's not possible. This 'problem' is common in my area from the cheapest tract home up to the expensive exclusive homes built by very good craftsmen. I thought we were discussing fine homebuilding techniques here. I learn from mistakes and try to do better. The reason I mentioned the builder because he should know better (probably does). I don't know if that is true of everyone in this business. We are using so much more specialized engineered products that require proper installation techniques if they are to last. (See the MiraTec thread) The problem however would affect any wood product. I really doubt that those angle cuts sitting on the shingle are primed or painted. One side of the dormer is going to be exposed to long periods of moisture in our climate.
FF
FF,
I have no problem with your complaint regaurding the siding/ roofing intersection------in fact I have discussed a similar thing here myself.
My problem is-----for you to post anon.---and yet give enough info that anybody could track down who the author is------looks a little tacky, or cheesy, or deliberately vindictive.
Mention the problem---show the picture---no problem.
A veiled attempt to drag the guys name into it---while hiding yours---big problem!
but what the heck------that's just my opinion. Monday morning quarterbacking is a great sport.
Stephen
Good answer Hazmat.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
I have one (a pet peeve) with siding too. Its when siding doesn't line up from one wall to the next. How hard is that? And I don't mean a 1/4" But 2, 3, even 4 "!!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I've been reading this thread and I honestly have no idea where you're coming from. FF posts a message anonymously, you post anonymously, your profile has less info than his, you agree with FF (as do I - terrible job running the siding into the shingles), yet you think he's being vindictive by saying this job was done by a "major FHB author." Unless I'm missing something, that doesn't give me a lot to "track down" who FF's talking about. And if it indeed was built by a FHB author, they should get a verbal spanking (better yet, get them up on the roof with a Skilsaw to trim that siding back) for such a siding job.The facts are: this is the Fine Homebuilding forum, that was a bad siding job, this is a place where Fine Homebuilders meet and talk about techniques that work for them to build safe, strong, beautiful structures. Part of learning the right way to do something is to point out errors and learn from them. I'd much rather learn from other's mistakes. It's cheaper for me that way! MacView Image
Mac,
I hate to drag this thread up again---'cause I don't think it is fair to the builder
however 2 things
1) FF also gives the authors' location, making it fairly easy detective work.
2) You make a fair point about me posting anon.-------except that I am HARDLY posting anon. LOL
I have been posting here---what 7-8 years?---virtually anybody here I WANT to know my name---already knows it.
I Would PREFER to use my full name as a screen name---but prospero here, apparently won't allow it.( I don't know how Mike Smith manages it lol) I have gone through all of the 18zillion forum changes here that were supposed to improve the operation----but instead made it increasingly more difficult for me to log on and participate. I posted here as Stephen Hazlett for years----but Stephen-Haz is as close as the current format allows me.----but anybody I really wanted to know my name---already knew that Mac.
Regaurding "profile info"----I have no intention of EVER filling something like that out. LOL
anything I would care to reveal about myself comes out in my posts over the years, I am not a contestant on the old " Dating Game" tv show LOL, I have zero interest in what might be in YOUR profile and I don't think I have ever read anybody elses profile info either. Frankly---I find the whole concept a bit degrading.
Not my intention to insult you Mac,
But there is a difference between your erroneous perception that I am anon.----and the harmless reality that you are just not quite up to speed. Stay here long enough and you will know WAY more about me than any "profile " could ever fill you in on.
Very best wishes, Stephen
StephenClick on My Forums (neat the top left; Sart - LogIn - LogOut - Messages - Outline - My Forums).Then My Preferences.And about 1/3 way down - NICKNAMEPut in whatever you want there.You can even be Mike Smith or Piffin.
Oh no, not this subject again...Sincerely,
Mike Smith
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Bill,
I have no reason to doubt you------
but frankly----it seems like too much bother LOL. ( after all YOU know as much about me as ya want to, Right ?)
Remember the good old days???---with the system that crashed every weekend?
It had ONE great virtue----simplicity.
With zero computer experience, an idiot roofer like me----was able to simply buy a computer---take it out of the box---get it set up, connect to the internet---and log on to "breaktime"----and instantly be able to navigate and operate the system.
with zero ability or experience.
but with every improvement---they made it more complex----and added features I couldn't care less about.
what kind of improvement prevents me from registering under my own name???? LOL
Best wishes to you,
Svenny
BTW Bill,
how come I generally can't post a reply direct to the last 3-4 posters---but usually have to "reply" to myself
and How, come clicking on the "post" insignia at the bottom of the screen only works sometimes----and sometimes I have to click on the top "post" insignia?
I can't tell you how many of my posts have been lost here over the last few months.
Stephen
Don't have the slightest idea.There was an other thread with a couple of people having similar problems.Maybe start a new thread in the Forums suggestions and addressed to SYSOP.
I've noticed that sometimes hitting post causes the browser to just sit and spin. Almost always I've been able to hit the "stop" button and then hit post again and it will work fine. Sometimes I have to do it twice. No idea why, but it seems to work.BTW, if you are worried about losing a post before posting, highlight and hit <cntl>-C to copy it to the clipboard (I'm asssuming Windoze - if you have a Mac you're own your own). I have an email that regularly logs me off while I'm writing without telling me. So I learned to always copy to the clipboard.
Apple is command + C (apple button & C).
The windows machine is your problem! But that's another argument ;-)
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Mac,
you reamed me pretty good, LOL---I enjoyed the attempt at wit---we need more of that here'cause some of these guys are pretty uptight.
and you are correct about us viewing matters from different perspectives. You layed out your viewpoint---and ,while I don't agrre with it---you are certainly entitled to it.
On the other hand--- My perspective is-------
that I have always viewed this place as a sort of electronic tavern or coffehouse. Perhaps you have a REAL place like that, in the" real" world????
If so, ---, when you are there with your cronies,----do you feel compelled to wear nametags ---or to leap to your feet and introduce yourself to everyone who wanders in off the street?
I certainly don't----nor did I expect any of the regulars to bend over backwards in greeting when I wandered in here 7-8 years ago.
If you pay attention here---I think you will find that most of the "regulars" primarily interact with the other regulars------they will almost certainly answer direct questions from anybody---and some are PARTICULARLY helpfull and patient----but they mostly interact with the other regulars.
however---if you stick around long enough---and post long enough---you find out YOU are a regular---and everyone knows who you are etc.
Heck---I am STILL suprised these guys let me hang here-----most of these carpenters have more talent in one finger than I have in my entirety.
Btw, if you have the current FHB---you might also see why I view FF's original post as a bit of a cheap shot-----
and also why I don't consider my self as anon.-----and based on the distance people are phoning me from---nobody else thinks I am anon. either.
People DO track ya down---for better or for worse LOL.
But hey---whadda I know?--It's just My perspective
Best wishes to ya, Stephen
Stephen,I wasn't attempting to ream you, just communicate with you where I'm coming from. O.k., the love connection line was a cheap shot but you set yourself up for it!I liken this forum more to a builders' convention than a corner tavern, simply because the conversations are not private. People here have different talents and problems and they're willing to share them with the world at large to exchange knowledge (either give or recieve). You're right, I don't wear a name tag and introduce myself to people at the bars that I hang out at, but I don't engage them in conversation either (unless they're cute girls!). I speak with my group of friends and ignore everyone else.I've got the latest issue of FHB in the bathroom. I'll have to re-read it when I've got some time because now I am curious!O.k., so we come to the table with different mindsets, now we understand each other better. Better to struggle over our differences than have everyone think the same way! How boring would that be?Take care,MacView Image
Pet peve is ACRONYMS.
Another is bumps to a post for no good reason.
Bump.
BM
Not to rehash the anon. debate, but...
You are right, I post anonymously and you could figure out who I was talking about. The purpose of that in my mind was somewhat along the lines of Mac's thinking. This is suppose to be fine home building and we all want to build better.
Consider the following:
1) What if I posted the picture and said this was my first attempt to side a house and what do you think? Would you have said 'looks great no problems.' No, there is a problem. Many would have gone on to say that is why we need professional builders to eliminate these kind of newby homeowner mistakes. If this were the Jlc forums, I would have been laughed at and flamed to oblivion.
2) What if I posted and said "Jack Housebuilder" built this house and boy is he stupid. First, either you could care less about Jack and or you would think I was out to get Jack. Didn't name names because of that reason. What if I said it was built by (insert large corporate home building corporation). Would you have protected these tract building McMansions types? I think not.
I said this house was built by someone you know and it's wrong. I could point out 30 more around me with the same problem, built by people that neither of us know or care about, but it brings it home when it's someone you know and respect. The same respect you get when that nail gun misfires.
We all make mistakes and we all could improve, me more than most.
FF
Stephen,I didn't realize you felt so strongly about the Profile section of your identity. I use it mostly to see if the people whose thoughts I'm reading are in my part of the country. Usually not, as this forum seems to be mostly populated by people living East of the Mississippi.Perhaps we're coming to this forum from different viewpoints. I don't view this as my virtual community, full of virtual friends and antagonists. I don't feel the need to keep my profession, location or age a secret from everyone. There's nothing in my profile that I feel degraded about sharing with other users.I log in, look for an answer to some construction problem, take a look at threads usually having to do with decks (my specialty) to see if I can contribute some knowledge, try to read the knowledge presented between the posts filled with emotion and personal barbs and be on my merry way. I don't take the time to study up on an individual's posts over the years to determine if he lives in the same part of the country as me. I also don't shop the profiles looking for my next date. You might be getting a little ahead of yourself if you think others are indeed, checking out your profile in hopes of finding a "love connection."[I have been posting here---what 7-8 years?---virtually anybody here I WANT to know my name---already knows it.] O.k., but to the rest of us you are as anonymous as FF.Regarding the problems you're having with replying, nicknames, etc with the forum, you might try tossing your cookies connected with this site and rebuilding your preferences. You might have a corrupt cookie file that plays havoc with your machine when you're on this site. Check with a sysop first to make sure that rebuilding your cookies doesn't cause you more grief than dealing with your current problems.MacView Image
The hardie is done properly. Obviously the shingles were installed too thick.
I'm not too good at riddles. Why not be man enough to name the builder ...
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
It was not my point to "expose" this builder. I like the house, its one of the best looking in that neighborhood. It's sad that this house and tons more around here are built this way. I have removed the old siding when it is setting on the shingles and its not pretty.
FF
Thanks for sharing that. I always learn from the pics and comments here, and I know what you mean about pet peeves, sometimes you just gotta say it! And yeah, a builder like that should know better. Not that I care what his name is, or think that you have any responsiblity to "correct" him. I didn't take that as the point of your post, only that a high dollar house with a high profile builder should have the construction details done right! Carry on.
edited to add:
A couple of my pet peeves I see around here a lot are fascia nailed up with vinyl coated sinkers, and OSB on the exposed eaves. And no I'm not going to name the culprit, or show any pictures of my work using galvanized nails on the fascia, or roughsawn ply on the exposed eaves. Some of the biggest complainers are those who complain about complainers. Just ask me. I'm one of 'em!
Edited 6/26/2005 6:17 pm ET by Gumshoe
I appreciate your comments. I was trying to point out how often this mistake is made. I thought this house wouldn't have been on that list. I was disappointed.
FF
Are you for real or is your post tounge-in-cheek?
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