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Plumbers – Need an Old Part

SHG | Posted in Tools for Home Building on March 25, 2005 09:47am

I know you guys toss this old crap out, but PLEASE, if you have one (or 3), let me know.  I desparately need the old flush arms for a 1920s Standard toilet.  I have the handle, but need the arm to attach to the lift wire.

Here’s a pic of the handle.  Guys, I’m begging ya.  If you have one, please let me know. Thanks.

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    BillHartmann | Mar 25, 2005 10:14pm | #1

    Is this the appropriate place for a comment on an attorney with a crapper full of crap and no way to flush it <G>.

    What does the arm look like?

    Based on "modern" designs, anything since 1930, could it be easily fabricated out of some flat brass stock?

  2. calvin | Mar 25, 2005 10:54pm | #2

    I'm telling you all right now, just send this guy whatever you have laying around, even if it isn't right.  He's generous in the bar.

    Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

    Quittin' Time

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    PaulBinCT | Mar 25, 2005 11:02pm | #3

    SHG... Have you looked at these guys? Or maybe give them a ring?

    http://www.deabath.com/Hightank/Toiletparts/toiletparts.htm

    PaulB

    1. SHG | Mar 25, 2005 11:42pm | #4

      Hi Paul.  I used DEA in the past.  The flush arms they show are from Strom Plumbing (that's where they get most of the fixtures from).  I was thinking about calling Strom and seeing if I can get just the arm, but they'll probably charge me an arm and a leg for an arm.  And then I'll still have to play with it to make it fit.  And I'll probably break the first it on the first two tries.

      Bill, I will make my own out of brass flat stock if I have to, but before I do I'm hoping that somebody is working on some old house and about to toss this out as I write.  I really try to use original pieces if possible.  And even lawyers need to be able to flush.  Maybe more than anone else.

      SHG

      1. junkhound | Mar 26, 2005 03:19am | #5

        Actually, responded as there is one exactly like the pix (handle and the whole toilet) in Grandma's house.  Youse can't have it though<G>

        As to: I will make my own out of brass flat stock if I have to

        The time it took to post this you could have made it if you keep a decent supply of junk on hand <G, again>

         

        1. SHG | Mar 26, 2005 04:06am | #6

          Actually, responded as there is one exactly like the pix (handle and the whole toilet) in Grandma's house.  Youse can't have it though<G>

          c'mon.  grandma doesn't need it.  don't tell her, just send it to me.  I'll send her a beautiful new chrome one.  I promise.

          1. DanT | Mar 26, 2005 01:00pm | #8

            Sorry, I looked and don't have one.  DanT

          2. SHG | Mar 26, 2005 01:06pm | #9

            Thanks for looking.  Stupid little piece, but I've got handles for three old toilets that had been replaced over the years and without the arm, they're useless. 

            People here have probably tossed out hundreds of these over the years without a second thought.  Not that I blame anyone, but I keep an inventory of every old piece I can salvage.  I always find that I need these stupid little things to make the old house whole again.

            SHG

          3. BryanSayer | Mar 28, 2005 06:41pm | #20

            There is a plumber in Washington, DC that rebuilds old fixtures. I don't have his name handy, but if you don't come up with anything else, e-mail me and I'll try to find the reference. It's from Old HOuse Journal I think.ps I probably won't be responding Wed to Sunday.

        2. BryanSayer | Mar 28, 2005 06:39pm | #19

          Junkhound, can you post a picture or two of what is at Grandma's? Then if it has to be made there is a reference. Holding a tape measure by it when taking the picture would really help!

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    goldhiller | Mar 26, 2005 05:21am | #7

    Just use the one in the pic, eh?

    Problem solved.

    Seriously.........

    try these folks if the search/plea here doesn't pan out.

    I've dealt with 'em several times. Nice folks. Reasonable prices.

    (If I had one, I'd send it to ya,.....but, I don't.)

    http://www.historic-albany.org/

    Knowledge is power, but only if applied in a timely fashion.
    1. SHG | Mar 26, 2005 01:11pm | #10

      Thanks for the link.  I've never spoken with them before.  I don't know if they'll have what I'm looking for, but I have a number of old plumbing fixtures that I would be happy to donate to their cause, tubs, sinks, etc.  I keep them, collect them, so that they don't go in the landfill.

      It's important to me that the old stuff doesn't get tossed, and if I can't use it, better that someone else should be able to.  We gotta keep this stuff alive. 

      If you pull out old stuff, even silly stuff like old cross hair angle stops, and don't want them, send them my way.  I will rebuild them and use them. 

      Ask old Andy C.  I'm a nut about authentic old hardware.  I won't even use phillips head screws in hardware.

      SHG

      1. ClaysWorld | Mar 26, 2005 06:58pm | #11

        that's a good way to keep from getting Screwed.

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    JeffBuck | Mar 27, 2005 05:13am | #12

    I'mn going to hit my Construction Junction soetime next week ...

    I'll do a quick walk thru their plumbing pile.

    gotta be honest here ... if they have one ... might end up costing U a buck or two?

    Jeff

      Buck Construction 

       Artistry in Carpentry

            Pgh, PA

    1. SHG | Mar 27, 2005 12:15pm | #15

      I don't care how many times Andy tells me you're a d-wad. 

      You're not....

      all bad.....

      I appreciate the thought.  I've actually come to grips with the problem.  See post to Imerc above.  Thanks.  I appreciate the thought.  And I forgive you for making me take all those kitchen photos for nothing.  What did you end up deciding to build, anyway?

      Scott

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        JeffBuck | Mar 28, 2005 02:24am | #18

        her kitchen is still in the "planning stages" ... I was looking for advanced copy to give her ideas of different directions she could take.

         

        I still gotta hit the Construction Junction place sometime next week ... one last shot at matching some of the same houses original trim ... I'll still do a plumbing run ...

        and if they do have it ... trust me ... it'll run about one buck.

        They're not real pricey there...

        I could probably get the whole toilet for a five spot!

        Jeff  Buck Construction 

           Artistry in Carpentry

                Pgh, PA

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    IMERC | Mar 27, 2005 09:25am | #13

    Rampart will have what you want...

    email me the specs / complete pic.. Rampart is next door..

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!!   What a Ride!

    Forget the primal scream,  just Roar!

    1. SHG | Mar 27, 2005 12:12pm | #14

      Don't have anything more than the photo in the first post.  It's a 1920s Standard part, the flush arm is pretty much the same as what you see in toilets through the 1950s. The difference was how they connected to the handle.  There was a hole in the flush arm and then an ear that extended past the whole.  Instead of the handle turning the arm itself, as they do today, the handle turned the larger piece and the flush arm was a lever, pushed down when the piece hit the end of the arm.

      Anyway, in the meantime, I've found a few of them with handle and arm intact on ebay for under $15.  And I went out to depot yesterday and bought a piece of copper tubing.  After going for antiquing with Andy and Katrina, who just stopped by on their way to see if I was doing anything, because Andy knew that DW was out of town with the kids and I was moping around the house because there was nobody to yell at, and then Andy took me out to lunch (and paid!), I made an arm by crushing the tube flat and bending and drilling.  Works pretty good, though it looks ugly. 

      Are you back home again, doing that one finger typing thing with the few fingers you have left?  We were talking about you yesterday at lunch.  Andy's helper is nothing like yours. 

      Scott

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        IMERC | Mar 27, 2005 05:53pm | #16

        Capyured the pic... be there tomorrow afternoon....

        Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

        WOW!!!   What a Ride!

        Forget the primal scream,  just Roar!

  7. prosecho | Mar 27, 2005 07:41pm | #17

    I feel your pain
    I have an old brick building built in the 1860's I got real cheap
    It is on main st.I asked the city about hooking up the water meter ,they said they cant because it has a lead waterline coming in.They said I would have to pay to have the street and sidewalk dug up to run a new line ,to the center of the street.Its an old coble stone street.Most plumbers I talk to don't have a clue how I can join the meter to the lead pipe.The city guy had some old flaring tube he lent me that you stuck in the pipe and beat it.I tried a couple of times .Problem is the pipe where it comes in has a slight bend and I need it straight to line up the flair.
    I thought I would post this here sine SHGLAW has already put out an APB to plumbers .
    Thanks
    Rick Sheehan

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