I am glad I do not have to deal with this fiasco but maybe this will solve the problem for those that do have to deal with it.
Now the big question is who is going to pay for it. You can bet your
the chinese drywall company won’t.
http://www.ecohomemagazine.com/news/2009/10/gassing-the-chinese-drywall-problem.aspx
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It looks like a good business model. Buy the service at $15 per sq ft and sell it at $30.
In my opinion, there is no way the average homeowner is going to accept that as a remedy. Filling the house with one chemical to combat another? No way.
HOs want to see drywall pulled out, pipes, AC units and wires replaced (after all thats what the supposed damage was to) and new rock put up.
Don't get me wrong, as I like the lower invasive idea but I can't see many homeowners accepting it as a solution.
Homeowners houses are all ready full of chemicals. This just makes one of them inert.
I would think that anyone who has lived through a house remodel would jump at a simple and quick tenting solution. Move your stuff out, go on a mini-vacation, move the stuff back in, problem solved. That would be especially true if they can plug in a copper filter test box and see for themselves that the air is good.BruceT
Possible Chinese drywall fix = Napalm.
2,000 sf house x $15 = $30,000 Seems like a reasobanble solution compared to ripping out all the drywall. Much faster too. Just get a guarantee from the gasser that they will cover any future damage if all the bad chemicals aren't neutralized.
"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
I agree with you but I see one major fault is the company and insurance companies. That is the damage has already been done and it will take months or even years before thye and the gov't will get their acts together. During that time, all other aspects of the home will continue to deteriorate.
Some builders have stepped up and already started replacing the drywall in homes they've built. I'm sure their insurance companies are partners. I talked to a guy the other day whose house was done by the original builder. They got to stay in a nice hotel and the builder stripped the house to the studs and replaced everything.
I started another thread here about this but I know a guy who is doing chinese drywall houses. They are vacants but he is only planning on having $20,000-30,000 in it to make them like new (Lee County Florida labor rates)
I tried to get something started here in the Tampa area but every attorney or homeowner I have talked to is waiting for a class action suite as they are all hoping to cash in on it.
I think that could take years.
Here is the thread gfretwell started;
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=125169.1 Mike
Small wheel turn by the fire and rod, big wheel turn by the grace of god.
I'll take a look. $30K seems awfully cheap to gut and rebuild a house but I suppose it could be done. The guy I talked to said they saved all the doors, cabinets and carpet, plumbing fixtures and appliances.
These guys are not really replacing that much. Basically they rip out the drywall, insulation and carpet. He says it is important to seal the block walls before you put the drywall back.
I didn't hear anything about cabinets.
You have to remove the cabinets to replace the sheetrock behind them. You have to remove interior door and window trim, including inside closets. If you have blown-in insulation in the ceiling, that all comes down. seems like the tent method is much less invasive."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
And the trim and associated damages the come with demo? Having done enough remodeling I know things never go back together the same way they came apart. Trim and cabinets that were scribed to fit will never fit the same way once the original sheetrock has been removed, replaced and re-mudded.
Chlorine dioxide does not selectively oxidize sulfur compounds-it oxidizes anything in comes into contact with. It may make certain things worse like additional corrosion of wires and AC components. If the drywall is painted well, that paint may limit the ability of the chorine dioxide to penetrate the drywall.
Glad I don't have that problem (knock on wood)
Bruce
And on a continuing note:
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla.— James and Maria Ivory's dreams of a relaxing retirement on Florida's Gulf Coast were put on hold when they discovered their new home had been built with Chinese drywall that emits sulfuric fumes and corrodes pipes. It got worse when they asked their insurer for help _ and not only was their claim denied, but they've been told their entire policy won't be renewed.
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9001/9223087/Insurers_dropping_Chinese_drywall_policies
"This is like the small wave that's out on the horizon that's going to continue to grow and grow until it becomes a tsunami," said Florida attorney David Durkee, who represents hundreds of homeowners who are suing builders, suppliers and manufacturers over the drywall."Instead of suing the builders they should sue the insurers.
The thing is, it's defective materials. Not the insurer's problem. They used the metaphor: If a car manufacturer installs a defective engine part in a new car, are you going to turn to your car insurer to fix it? No, the manufacturer has to recall and replace all defective parts.
As others noted, some builders are already doing just that. Lennar has set aside millions for total drywall replacement.
k
IIRC... the chinese never recall nothing/anything and never make good on their substandard products...
the vendor pushing these products gets stuck with the bill... not the chinese..
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Right, so Lennar is setting aside their own money (to the tune of 100 million, or something) to deal with it.
If Ford (as an example- nothing against Ford) puts a bad relay in an engine in a new Ford, they need to replace it at their expense. It's on them to try to chase down the company that originally made the part. If that company is bankrupt, or in a country which doesn't recognize American legal remedies, that's a shame, but maybe Ford should source their parts more carefully.In any case, it's not up to Geico to do it. That's all I was pointing out.
k
i see it yur way....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
An interesting flip side to this mess is to look back at Henry Ford's original vision. He controlled nearly the entire process on site, from pig iron to gas pedal.
Little hard to pull off these days, of course, but an intersting contrast.And believe me, I'm no big fan of insurance companies, either. They just may have a reasonable point in this case.
k
The funny thing is if you read the other post I started with this issue is insurance companies are dropping folks if they do not fix their own problem.
I agree its not up to the insurance companies to fix it but to drop a customer if they don't? Seems a bit unfair.
ditto...
I see Toyota, GM and Nissan have recalls in progress because of defective chinese parts..
let them (Toota, GM and Nissian) take care of yur problem and then they can resolve what needs to be thier chinese part suppliers..
and there's the food industry with lead, melamine, (again) and salmonella....
to think of all the off shore supplied food goods in Sam's, WallyWorld and Costco makes my head hurt...
speaking of WallyWorld...
hit the chinese where they live and they wouldn't be so eagar to conduct economic fraud..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I don't know if Toyota's recall is truly a "defective part". The way the floor mat is restrained (by two ell clips) is poor design, IMHO. I think that one's all on them, not the mat manufacturer.But anyway, I get your point. And really, it's not like any of us can make our own drywall... we're kind of left to pick up the slack for the whole system.I wonder to what extent I can legally indemnify myself against responsibility for defective materials I install which I have no reason to believe (or way of knowing) are defective.
I doubt a simple clause stating just that would hold up in court. But, I'm weak on the legal stuff...All right, I need some sleep. Have a good night.
k
at this point... if it's of chinese mfgr... it's suspect....
besides... keep some of yur money here... it will do us good in the long run...
BTW...
Toyota has recently announced that they are recalling 688,314 sedans manufactured in China. Apparently, the vehicles in question shipped with a defective electronic window control system caused by excessive lubricant. Reports suggest that this problem could potentially escalate and result in overheating of the door panel and in extreme cases, melting. Toyota China Recalls Camry Sedans for Brakes Defect Mercedes Recalls
S-Class Cars 120,000 Cars Recalled by Toyota Chinese BYD T6 Cayenne Knockoff ? Chinese Cars to Go to the USA via Mexico Tags: Camry , corolla
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Ah, I hadn't heard of those probs. Just the mats. Thanks for the info.
k
Nissan Recalls Models with Bad Chinese Parts
Some 2009-2010 Altima and Maxima models have defective Chinese-made strut insulators, possibly affecting stability.
Nissan North America, Inc. is recalling 2009 and 2010 Altima and Maxima passenger cars because of a defective Chinese-made part. More than 26,000 vehicles are involved at this time.
by Ken Zino on Sep.21, 2009
I'm not gonna bother to hunt down the BMW, Volvo, Mercedes, Voltswagon and GM recalls again...
don't you get tired of the never ending story???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
take a gander..
http://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+recalls&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7TSHB
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Just for some perspective. http://www.recalls.gov/
have the video...
http://virginiabeach.injuryboard.com/toxic-substances/insurance-companies-looking-for-ways-to-deny-claims-associated-with-toxic-chinese-drywall.aspx?googleid=269084
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
We have 2 tv stations covering this drywall problem in Va.Beach. One newscast reprtedly said around 30,000 to fix an average 2000 sq ft house. I looked at a house that wss approximately 2600 sf and I estimated 75,000 to gut the interior, replace all wiring and HVAC units, salvage the cabinets and carpets. Unfortunately the owners can not get financing to repair the house. My guess would be that 90% of these houses go back to the bank.
Edited 10/15/2009 11:49 pm ET by shellbuilder
when the banks has to deal with the issue... let the law suits begin...
but relax...
in no time at all this will blow over and there will be some other chunk of BS with china that will rear it's ugly head...
the new motto seems to be as long as there is short term high margin to be had... we will neve pay attention nor learn from any of this...
help me out here... I've seem to have lost count... how many life threatening episodes has it been with just china so far???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I believe now would be a good time for a competent remodeler to be involved in the groups (lawyers and homeowners) who are battling this problem. it would be great source of steady large jobs. If I had this product in my house, damn right I would give the house back to the bank and rearrange my finacial life. The 3 year old house i looked at not only had devalued 50,000 from the economy ,,,plus realtor fees 22,000...plus chines drywall 75,000.....no brainer, mail the keys to the bank and move on.
Edited 10/16/2009 8:14 pm ET by shellbuilder
Shell,
I have tried in my area (Central FL) but was told by most they are waiting for the class action suite so they can get more money. Two people I talked to are actually living with their house as is as someone told them if they fix it they destroy the evidence. (Yeah, kinda ridiculous)
Some folks don't just want their house fixed, they want to cash in on this...
Why would you replace all the wiring?
I know in NJ there was and believe still is a 10 year new house warranty which was sponsored by the Builders Associations.
So are the Chinese actually living in homes and buildings with this stuff or was it all sent here? From the descriptions of the effects, any place would be inhabitable.John
I bet if you lived in a place where the windows were open most of the time you would never know about this problem and eventually it would out gas all the sulfur.I had a similar problem in Md with the old formaldehyde particle board I used for underlayment. I went a whole spring/summer/fall with the windows open and the A/C off to get that out.From the post mortem my friend did, who is renovating 2 of these as we speak, water seems to be the key to the damage. An A/C that was not run, was OK. One that was run was bad (condensation?)
Faucets in a vacant house did OK. Ones in the house where water was slashed on them were damaged.
The wiring was basically only blackened where it was exposed. Under insulation or the wire actually under the screws was OK. It may only be a cosmetic problem in the wiring but the City of Cape Coral wants the wire cleaned or stripped back to fresh copper. He is replacing all the devices. I think they are just cleaning the bus bars in the panel but I am not sure. I don't know if they are getting new breakers either.
will the Mexican laborers hired to spray on the chemicals do a 100% job?
google... insurance companies deny drywall claims
ouch!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Another possible fix could be to stop buying Chinese ####.
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