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   jagwah | May 02, 2007 06:30pm | #1

   ? Bedroom doors, cabinet doors, bi-fold doors? Hollow core bedroom doors, solid core bedroom doors?

   Specificity

    

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   RRooster | May 02, 2007 06:32pm | #2

   Not bifold, not cabinet.

   Mostly prehung solid and hollow core interior doors.

    

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   Edited 5/2/2007 11:32 am ET by RRooster

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   jagwah | May 02, 2007 06:57pm | #3

   On Hollow core doors as well as solid I like to use at least a 3-3 1/2" round or square butts. Especially for the H.C. doors mainly because  3 butts help with warp issues and it just looks a little better.

   On solid core a lot depends on height, if over standard 6'-8" and/or  heavy oak or walnut etc. On these types I like 4- 4" square butts.

   Typical pre-hungs come with there hinges. Most times they just come with 2 butts.

   Is this what you meant by the fasteners?

     

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   RRooster | May 02, 2007 07:01pm | #4

   No. 

   When you install interior pre-hung doors, what do you use to "fasten" them to the rough opening?  Is a 3-3-1/2" butt some sort of special nail or screw?

   What size/gauge/length nail and/or screw do you use to install pre-hung doors?

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   JDRHI | May 02, 2007 07:09pm | #5

   Like pullin' teeth to get the specifics from you brother! LOL

   I'm old school....I still hang doors by hand. 10 penny finish nails. Hollow core or solid...doesn't matter. Current project may call for hollow, but you have no idea that those doors won't be swapped out and upgraded in the future.

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   RRooster | May 02, 2007 07:37pm | #8

   Good point on the hollow being potentially swapped out in the future.  Got to think of everything.  That's why there is no dumb question, or is there? 

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   JDRHI | May 02, 2007 07:12pm | #6

   And "butts" are the hinges.

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   jagwah | May 02, 2007 07:14pm | #7

   Sorry Rrooster

   As to hang pre-hungs to the r.o. I use a 2" 16ga trim nail where the stop will cover initially to set. Depending again on weight of door I will trade out one of the hinge screws for a 3" long screw.

   Many times I'll shim the trimmer under the hinge side to plumb so my jamb has a solid bearing.

   Lot of different methods for a lot of different circumstances. Just as in using a level only or the way I prefer using a level and a plumb-bob.

   There is even a specialty screw for this that will allow you to, once installed, move the jamb in and out as needed but they are expensive.

    

   Edited 5/2/2007 12:15 pm by jagwah

5. 
   Piffin | May 02, 2007 08:58pm | #11

   "Is a 3-3-1/2" butt some sort of special nail or screw?"a butt is short for Butt hinge. It is a type of a hinge.You have confused yourself and us by asking about hanging the door. To hang a door one uses hinges to attach it to th ejamb.Since yours are pre-hung, that means that the doors are already hinged, or hung, to the jamb. 

    

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   jagwah | May 02, 2007 09:52pm | #12

   Careful, we don't want to JLC the fellow. 

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   Piffin | May 02, 2007 10:50pm | #13

   Not picking on him, it just took awhile to realize what in the world he was talking about so I could clarify it for him. 

    

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   jagwah | May 03, 2007 12:13am | #14

   Ya I know. Sometimes it's hard to help someone when you practically have to be a mind reader. 

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   RRooster | May 04, 2007 01:39am | #15

   You know, I specifically look to you and your posts for known good advice.  Thanks for being so freaking picky.

   Simple question????  What fastener do you use to install prehung interior doors.  Period.  Not much to read into there, eh?

   Yes, I have a 16g trim nailer.

   Read my mind,,,,,what am I thinking now? 

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10. 
    Piffin | May 04, 2007 02:55am | #16

    Well, I finally answered in #11
    http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=89407.11Be careful what you think - that it doesn't get you put in the Taunton brig;)Finish nailer makes it all easier. Use 2-1/2" finish nails 16GA OK. Shime carefully and replace some screws in the top hinge with long enough to go into the stud once yuou have it all plumb and in the right plane 

     

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    Snort | May 04, 2007 03:07am | #17

    Another fastener came to my mind: a 3" #8 or #9 screw through at least the top and bottom hinge...but I'm also partial to shims and 2 1/2" 15g gun nails...I am an old dog, and there's no way I'd use any hand drives...takes way too much putty to cover up the pecker tracks<G> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',

    The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.

    The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,

    Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.

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   Piffin | May 02, 2007 08:54pm | #10

   If they are prehung, you are not talking about hanging them, you need to intal them.An assortment of 8-12d finish nails is the old basic.Trimhead screws are more common now.you got a finish gun? 

    

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   Piffin | May 02, 2007 08:51pm | #9

   I use hinges myself. They come with screws.

    

    

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   Mark | May 04, 2007 03:17am | #18

   I use 15 gauge 2-1/2" nails.  I always shim at the top and bottom hinge and run a 3" screw into the framing, even for hollow core.  Having been the guy that always went back for callback stuff, I've seen many many doors that wound up sagging because the origional carpenter did not do this.

   I'm thinking ol' Gary katz is really wishing he had never written that article about hanging doors without shims... I cannot even imagine the hordes of lambasting he's gotten from that.

   By the way,  Cool music dude....

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   RRooster | May 04, 2007 06:45am | #19

   Thank you - Piffin, Snort, and Mark.  Good points, all.  I would like to see a reference to the Katz article so I could read through it.  Which issue?  Thanks.

   Piffin - this is still America, right?  Even though I think it, I should still be able to say it and get by on "freedom of speech", no??? 

   Anyway, you are redeemed. 

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   RRooster | May 04, 2007 06:46am | #20

   Mark, did you click on Wolfmother??  Way cool, I agreeeeeeeeeee! 

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   zak | May 04, 2007 08:49am | #21

   2 1/2" 15 ga nails to set the thing, in pairs near hinges and center of jamb.  Then I come back and use 2 1/2" trim screws, under the stop, near hinges and latch.

   zak

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