Hi, I was referred to you by Jako17 over in Knots. He said you were the one to ask a copper related question to.
Here goes…Being a thru and thru woodworker I have never worked with metal until now. I am working on a project involving a copper panel for a box lid. I applied adhesive backed label paper with my design on them to the copper and fumed it using ammonia and salt. Worked great. Rick over at knots suggested a sculptors site that sells patinas for different metals. I would like to try the dye Oxide patinas but would like to use the above technique using the adhesive labels for the design as a “resist”.
My question is would the dye Oxide patinas and what they call “traditional” patinas work OK with the adhesive label resists? If they damage the paper material it wouldn’t work right.
I’m including the sculptors site address which would probably explain about their products a heck of a lot better then I can!!
Oh and yet another quick question…I’ve seen copper advertised by gauge but I just read a DIY article that refers to 16 ounce copper. Can you tell me where to go, site wise, to get an idea of the best size/weight to work with for small projects? I used 30 gauge for the box top and the DIY article was about a table with a copper paneled top using 16 ounce…???
Thank You, Brian
Thanks very much for any help you can provide and sorry to be so long winded.
Brian
Edited 1/15/2008 1:01 am ET by BriMcG
Edited 1/15/2008 1:01 am ET by BriMcG
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No can guide you on forcing or falsifying patina, I know flux will do it..zinc chloride.
Also seen potassium di-chromide work (on tv).
IIRC 27 ga is 16 oz.
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Edited 1/15/2008 6:35 am ET by Sphere
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http://www.onlinemetals.com for gauge/weight and supplies.
My question is would the dye Oxide patinas and what they call "traditional" patinas work OK with the adhesive label resists? If they damage the paper material it wouldn't work right.
I don't have a clue. In most instances, the patina created on copper is like a layer of skin. As long as it's there, it's protecting the next layer, but it will sacrificially break free when stressed. I've seen the amonia and salt patina used on range hoods, etc. that I've made, but I've had nothing to do with the process. Sorry.
I've seen copper advertised by gauge but I just read a DIY article that refers to 16 ounce copper. Can you tell me where to go, site wise, to get an idea of the best size/weight to work with for small projects? I used 30 gauge for the box top and the DIY article was about a table with a copper paneled top using 16 ounce...???
Copper is normally sold by the pound. 16 oz copper weighs 16 oz per sq ft and is slightly thinner than 24 ga. I've never seen copper sold by gauge but I'm buying roofing copper. Craft stores may sell small, thin pieces. I've seen some stuff on Ebay that I've not seen locally, unless the seller didn't really know what he was selling. I'm suspecting you had 12 oz copper which is between 28 and 29 ga. (edit: I checked onlinemetals and they say 27 ga)
Most roofing supply houses stock copper in 16 oz. The better ones also carry 12,20, and 24 oz.
You can probably get better info here:
http://www.thesheetmetalshop.com/index.php
http://grantlogan.net/
Edited 1/15/2008 7:42 am ET by seeyou
I saw your post on Knots, and was waiting for the Kings of Copper to respond on this end.
Some additional info for you:
There are all sorts of chemicals to "age" copper. Each of these will have different results. You might try a stained glass supply shop for some of these. Try a test piece tho'. You may end up with anything from black to brown to green or anything in between.
Also, take a look at these sites:
http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/ww_chairs_stools_benches/article/0,2049,DIY_14439_2276538,00.html
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/sources/msg0116484112258.html
http://web2.ccpl.org/prvEmployees/HTML/scienceproject/OnlineExhibits/ncw/GreenPatinaFinish.html
Of course, you could always leave your box outside in the elements for a couple of years. ;-)
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
Thanks Mike- Just what I was looking for.
brian
No problem. Be careful. Them's some nasty chemicals.
Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA
leave it outside, or bury it in the manure pile for faster results...
If I only had a manure pile....darn. ;)
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How cool is that? (HIJACK ALERT) That looks as if there is a story behind it...C'mon, tell, please...
Ok, my dad's family started a feed business in 1849, and it looks like the branched out to the other end. I found the card on ebay, asked my dad about it, he said I come from a long line of Captains of ####<G>They imported the stuff from New York, apparently even back then, they had all the good sheeit...anyway nobody can ever tell me I don't know s*h*i*t from shinola LOL Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,
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Excellent! Not everybody can sell it - most of us can hardly give it away!
Mushroom farmers in Kennett Square, PA can't get enough of the stuff, still see carloads of horse hockey heading that way... why did I go into building?<G> Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,
Winterlude by the telephone wire,
Winterlude, it's makin' me lazy,
Come on, sit by the logs in the fire.
The moonlight reflects from the window
Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.
Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,
Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.
Actually, being an gardener as well, I have a great source for horse poop. I'm going to try burying a piece of the copper and see what happens. Smelly but interesting.
If that doesn't work out, do you ship overnight? ;)
Brian
Could always drop it into one of the tavern political threads.
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HEY!!!!
he wants the the cooper to for a purpose and be usable...
not waste it...
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Agreed. Think I've had enough of that already though.