Cruising thru a Peddlers Village today..I spied a Stanley No.130 double ended block plane, never saw one before..great shape, nice and clean…it just followed me home.
I looked on ebay to see if I got ripped off..no find. But a general google showed a price from one site at 65.00$ . I ain’t saying what I paid ( yet) but it was not that much. I’ll clean it further and get a pic posted..and swing over to the serious woodhead site nextdoor and see what they think about its worth, just for kicks.
I also snagged a 3 1/2 I think..didn’t look too close at it other than a cursory spot check..I gave up 10.00 for it..it is pretty well used and the tote is repaired but plenty of steel left in the iron.
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A 3 1/2? That must be one of a kind.
What size is it? (length, width, width of iron)
Ok..My old#3 is 2'' widex9" long with a 1 5/8th iron
My #4 is 2 1/2 '' wide with a 2'' Iron and bit longer.
This critter is 2 1/4 " wide witha 1 13/16th iron and still 9'' long.
No casting name or anything stamped on the chipbreaker or Iron. real shoddy tote and pretty good pitting on the sole, but savalage able for sure.
I was wrong, I paid 6.95 for it..no lie. I'll have more time to futz with them tomorrow and get some pics.
The double ended block plane is a keeper I think..it is just too cool.
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I have a bunch of # 3's, my favorite size for a variety of jobs. (I have smaller hands and they fit me better than the #4) . They measure closer to 2 1/8 wide, 1 11/16 ~ 1 3/4 " iron, all 9 " long +/- 1/8". Different runs of all stanley planes could differ by 1/8" either way, so it is possible that what you have is a #3.
Since you have no markings, it is not even clear it is a Stanley. So that's the first thing to clearly determine. The most reliable way is this: Stanley used an unusual pitch on the screws that hold the tote and the knob. It is not the standard size 12-24. So, try using a screw from a known stanley plane (e.g. a #4) and see if it fits the casting on your oddball #3. If it fits then it too is a Stanley. If not, then it is not ;>)
The only markings I can find is Made in usa on the top of the blade...but it could be any old blade in there. And a letter "U" cast in the very front of the frog and on the chipbreaker,,,wierd.
Baily, Millersfalls ( I don't think it is that new) and Craftsman all seem possible, if it were a stanley I'd think it would be marked somewhere as such..some of my planes ( I don't remember if it was stanley or craftsman) had patent info on the sideways adjusting lever.
I'd about bet it is a Fat #3..LOL. I haven't got to fiddling with it yet..had to find my workbench top under all the clutter first.
I'll check that tote thread. I dont know if it is an original tote, looks like beech, not rosewood for sure.
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Stanley made totes/knobs from beech and stained it. The 'U' is on the underside, right? I have odd letters cast into the undersides on most, if not all, of my planes. Didn't Union planes come un-branded?
"I cut this piece four times and it's still too short."
Yeppers..the U is under the chipbreaker and the front of the frog. I have never heard of Union brand planes..hmm.
I got the Iron on the 130 cleand up a bit and it is at least original...the Stanley Rule etc is stamped on the heel.
Funny how I got sidetracked thinking the crappy plane was something special, I really was boasting a bit about the the 130..lol.
I had read on that site posted earlier that some of the 130's were ":rolled -over" meaning to grind away the itty bitty front sole, and making it into a chisel plane...I see that in my future, unless I talk myself out of it. I have a few chisel planes that I made, basically a hunk of wood with an old pc of saw blade wiith a screw tightened chip buster, and one I made on site that used ( guess this) a chisel...LOL
I have two of the little bullnose jobbies with the 3/4 " or so iron, but they are reallly small..this bugger has some heft behind it and a wider blade allows skewing the cut.
When I make something like a plain jane side table for a lamp or such, I take a spoke shave and whackoff the back bottoms of the aprons after glue up, that sometimes leaves a little tear off hunk, just before the leg, I used to just make a small lambs tongue by pulling from the other direction, but you can just start making a divot that way...a chisel plane will get the champfer right into that corner ( that NO ONE ever see's)...but it is my way of adding a touch of finess to a previously hard edge.
I spent a yr or so with a co named Stephen Von Hohen Furniture, we made knock off of New England / Shaker stuff when it was in its prime. All #2 White pine, hand planed and spoke shaved for distress..then a dye stain, followed by a heavy glaze and Cat Lac....I worked on PC rate. I got pretty good at cranking out "antiques, while you wait"...I could write a book, I swear.
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The "U" in the casting is an interesting clue. Back when I was a kid, my father passed along to me, an old "carpentry" kit made by the Gilbert Company, the same Gilbert that made Erector sets. You can still find some of the antique sets on eBay. Anyway, it had a small, poorly cast block blane with the same markings. I'd bet that's what you have. Probably not a high-value item.
You should look at this site:
http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan12.htm#num130
He's quite a scholar of the stanley planes. Oh, and he doesn't list the #3 1/2. Which means you've either got a heck of a rare plane, or it isn't.
Long as it shaves wood it's fine with me though.
zak
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin
"so it goes"
I have never heard of this size either..wierd. see my last post as to the particulars.
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He lists a #4 1/2 at 2 3/8" wide, 10" long. But I'm not sure if that's it, I assume there is some variation between brands, and that may not be a stanley/bailey. Do you have one of those smooth planes converted to a scrub plane, or do you have the real deal scrub plane?
Using a scrub plane for the first time is a real joy- it moves a lot of wood out of your way in a hurry.zak
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin
"so it goes"
My scrubs I made outta wood. I do radius the iron on my 3 somewhat more than the 4, and follow up with a flatter 5. I almost never use my 7, and sold one to Ed Hilton.
I like making the simple ones. Not chiselling them out, I laminate the sides to the body block and use a dowl for the cross pin and the scrap from the bed angle cut to make a wedge..real quick and dirty.
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Looking at more closly ( I am trying to eat supper) it probably is a Craftsman , but NO markings anywhere.
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And I'm putting it to good use. Nice plane.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Cool. I still have my other jointer, but haven't used it in ages. I am wandering around in circles trying to squeeze every available inch outta my shop space...a buddy just gave me 2 solid core door slabs with oak skins,,,they are 32x84 x 1 3/4..and heavey. I am racking my brain for a quick, easy, and study base for one..so I have something to plane ON.
My space is in such chaos tho' it requires moving everything 7 times just to get a cord plugged in..I hope this new burst of energy will get me past the hurdles and finally get something that is workable.
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What'd you do setting up your EZ table?
I perimetered the 3/4 ply with 2x4s glued and screwed and screwed some 1x's underneath placed so the thing can seat on an oldstyle portable B&D worktable. Pretty sturdy.
Thinking of some type of multipurpose portable smooth top that can lock on to the table and still easily be removed for cutting with the EZ.
Workshop is presently in the kitchen and when the tile goes down that'll be the end of that show.
be a po boy makin' do
damn, am I fat!
Welllllllll, I only had a hunk of warped 3/4 ply about 5' long.
I keep it inside ( for now) and tote it out to a sawhorse set up that lives forever in the front yard permanantly it seems.
I keep forgetting to whack off the piffins that protrude on the back side and look like a escaped convict over the concertina wire when I move it.
I'd like to keep a set up inside, but this is heating season, all the dust from the shop goes right upstairs..not that I'd ever hear any crap about that mind you..It's just "Rosiee"
Anywho..a brand new Bed just arrived, I gotsta tear out the BR and disconnect everything...Did ja know that they DO make 2 pc boxsprings for Queen size? Other wise it was a no go up the stairs..this'll be fun I am sure...
Now she wants me to build a head board...riiiiiight..I just found the shop under all the clutter...and wanna play with planes. Oh well.
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Union Tool Brand was a competator of Stanley and they made a lot of bastard size planes even though they were made in the traditional Bailey fashion. Sargent was another, Dunlop another, Millers Falls, Keen Kutter, Ohio Tool, Auburn Tool, Chapin-Stevens even old Craftsman planes had their own factory I believe. All of these were good tool makers for the work force that was building America at the turn of the last century. But it was Stanley Tools that was the giant in the plane making business when they acquired the production rights from Leonard Bailey for his planes in 1869, and it's been that way almost up to the present. The older Stanley planes are very good tools, especially the 'Bedrock' line of planes. I have the full line of Bailey (5 Bedrocks) bench sans the #1. They remain tuned and ready to work. It's probably my favorite thing to do in the woodshop.
Recall the oft sought after No.1 in the Studley tool chest photos. Actually my wife turned me on to this flea market type venue...she was there earlier in the week and said she spotted a "few old planes. like yours"...
I think I got hoodwinked, she bought a few collectible teapots while I was toolin around...LOL
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I was pretty nutz about acquiring a #1 for a while, but it was just out of my reasonable range (anywhere from $800 to $1500). Then one day I'm in a local used tool shop and there it was, only $350, in fair enough shape that I could bring it back to mint with some work. I don't know why, I just didn't want it, not even to re sell. Some sort of scales fell from my eyes just then. It wasn't my picture. I think I want to find a #1 just like you found your little treasure, at some flea mkt or yard sale tended by a woman named 'Dot' leaning back in her well frayed lawn chair, clenching a Lucky with an inch of ash somehow holding on twixt wrinkled red riot lipsticked lips. She has on a capless green visored editors hat and squints at me in the sharp slant of an early April sun while she rasps, .."Thems waz Poppy's tools, and I ain't takin no less than five fer that little thing yer holdin' there."
I'll pause, look at her with my 'I know you even though we never met' stare, look at the plane for a minute, turn back at her and slowly say "You drive a hard deal mamm, a hard deal....but I'm gonna take it anyhow, only 'cause it was Poppy's". Then we'll both smile.Yeah, that's how I want to get my #1. Eldorado I know, but when the moment is right with these types of things and when they do come along, it makes all the dreaming and Quixotic stumbling on that I do worthwhile.
The Keen Kutter K-series (not the *KK* series, which are lesser planes) are heavy-body planes very similar to Bedrocks. Actually, they may have been made by Stanley, but I can't recall. Worth every penny to get one, I've been trying to get my hands on some K-series for a while.
Old Craftsman planes from the 40's and 50' are high quality as well. I have a few, they are cheaper by far than the Stanleys and just as nice to clean up and tune up.
Keen Kutter was made by the Simmonds company, one of the best handsaw makers out there. I've got a #4 K series plane, and it's a beautiful plane. The blade is massive, the castings are too, and the handle and knob are cocobolo.
For some reason, though, I can't get the setup right- the chipbreaker has to be set too far back to get the iron in position. It may have a switched out part somewhere's in it that's keeping it from working right. I'll make it right someday when I've got time.zak
"When we build, let us think that we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone." --John Ruskin
"so it goes"
zak
Try finding one of the tool shows or tool collector clubs and take that plane to them, hell they'll tell you right off the bat wheather or not its right! Those guys live for this kind of thing.
I was at an antique auction yesterday and met up with an old aquantiance, a real tool nut, he could talk endlessly on all the finer points of the tools. I think he owns one of every Stanley built between 1914 - 1917, He walked out of the place with a complete Stanley #55 for $100. I have one and its not complete, could of used some of the parts but he left me alone to buy some real nice chisels and I let him have his plane. Gotta pick your battles!
Doug
Do you know if the iron (blade) is original. From what you said (The blade is massive) may be it is not and is too thick for this plane. And when you said "chipbreaker" did you mean the frog?
Don't rush on that head board
I've been intending to build one for years-even have the wood ( qtrd. white oak, for a mission syle)
but I keep getting sidetracked- work, house repairs, golf; you know, the important stuff
maybe when I retire
I definitely wanna see pics. I've never heard of such a thing.
I'll get them both cleaned up and post tomorrow. Upon reading that site, the 130 I have is the newer ( rosewood knob, no Star in the lever cap) And the iron is barely readable bit it does have the pat. info stamped on it.
I have not tore into the 3 1/2? yet, I snagged a bunch of other goodies and I am still playing with them. Mostly stuff for work.
It MUST be a knock off of a No#3 that was sloppy work is all I can guess, but heck it was cheap and plenty good to maybe give to someone else who may need it, I have quite a few good planes.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
I have irriatable Vowel syndrome.