Hello All.
I’m working on an old house built around 1918. It was moved from its original location to a new foundation.
Between the lap siding and the 1×10 covering the rim joists, there is a water table molding. What’s the siding term for the 1×10 that covers rim joists?
The new foundation has a 2×4 ladder cast into the concrete [3.5″] and then the owner nailed two 2x8s [3″] on the flat on top of the cast in ladder.
On the old foundation, the 1×10 only had to cover the 9.25″ rim joist but now we have the rims plus the 2×4 ladder, plus the two 2x8s for a grand total of 15.75 inches (9.25″ + 3.5″ + 3″).
The water table was damaged so I’ve removed some of the 1×10 and the water table molding. All siding components were painted and that will be the case with the new stuff.
I’m not likely to find 1x16s [and how would they look for balance if I did] so should I;
1) Use an exterior grade of ripped plywood as the new 1x16s
2) Cover only the old rim joists, put diamond lath on the rest of the wood and parge it ?
Thanks for any tips or suggestions.
hammerkid
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Plywood will limit you to 8'
and more joints/seams to deal with (at 16").
A suggestion that you might mock up to take a look at if you don't think the stucco idea is what you want to go with. Add a second water table to complement the upper and either keep the same plane for the aprons/skirt, or step out the lower one.
Or the opposite, make up a wider water table, step out the upper apron and have it lap over the lower. I did this on a mid 1800 house for a porch additon. The upper portion is cedar, the lower I used Azek as it would be in ground contact. There I'm covering the raised block foundation.
3) Continue the siding below the water table. I've seen this done.
That detail is popular on "authentic" looking new homes....
>> Between the lap siding and the 1x10 covering the rim joists, there is a water table molding. What's the siding term for the 1x10 that covers rim joists? << I call that a "skirt board", but I'm not sure if that is really correct.
One way I've done it is to use cement board siding. You can get soffit material that is 16" wide x 12'. Be warned that it is a little hard to handle.. If it was at all close to grade I've backed it up with some 1/2" PT plywood to build it out a bit and smooth out the substraight. Be sure to use hot dipped gal nails though. You could probably use regular exterior grade ply if it is at least 8" above grade.
You are right though. ~16" would look a little wide. Might partially be dependant on the "scale" of the rest of the house. What is the siding exposure? Is it a 1 story or a 2 story? Is it a large "grand house" or more of a "bungalow?
I like Calvin's idea of breaking it up into two "stages".
RE your idea of applying lath and stucco - might be the best from a visual standpoint - I guess you would have to stucco the whole foundation - but be sure in put tar paper or similar between the wood and the lath.
water table and ???
Thanks everyone for the great ideas. They got my brain to cookin'. No problems at all with grade being close, it isn't.
I think that I'm gonna stick with the 1x10 and lath and parging on the remainder. The owner has talked of stone on the exposed portion of the basement, so those wood portions will hide beautifully.
One side is almost all undamaged, only a little fill needed on a 2 foot section of the 1x10. The horses, one of them anyway, did a number on the opposite side water table.
Anyway, thanks again. There's always great thoughts to be garnered here.
hammerkid
Faux stone is nice....
Re your comment: >> The owner has talked of stone on the exposed portion of the basement, so those wood portions will hide beautifully. << faux stone is nice, lots of "patterns", is less expensive than real stone, and the best part is that you don't need a supporting footer. Some of the faux stone is EXTRMLY hard to tell that is isn't real.
water table & skirt board
"skirt board", thanks, Jeff.
will probably look pretty odd on a historic house, unless ......
it's done to the ground................
Jeff, the elevations on the print showed it up above grade a decent amount (however, the existing grade and her plantings/mulch were going to bring it up). These were very detailed to present to the hysterical society here. Really don't think after looking at them that it is odd at all. Perhaps not too "period" in its design
Even tho I did not do the drawings, the only bias I have is I built it, it's down the end of our drive and they are some fine neighbors.
I'm just a carpenter, whereas design is your stock in trade. I appreciate the critique.
will probably look pretty odd on a historic house, unless ......
it's done to the ground................
Jeff, the elevations on the print showed it up above grade a decent amount (however, the existing grade and her plantings/mulch were going to bring it up). These were very detailed to present to the hysterical society here. Really don't think after looking at them that it is odd at all. Perhaps not too "period" in its design
Even tho I did not do the drawings, the only bias I have is I built it, it's down the end of our drive and they are some fine neighbors.
I'm just a carpenter, whereas design is your stock in trade. I appreciate the critique.