I would like to replicate the original storm window on my 1927 Sears home. I have one window. Building the window to match my one original is not a problem. What I am face with is that the original windows were made from redwood.
I was thinking of using select pine (windows will be primed and painted). However, I am concerned by the tendency of pine to twist, bow, crown, etc. months, or even years, after. Specifically, my concern is the wood pulling away from the middle of the glass. Will silicone help or hold?
Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks
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Can you not find redwood available in your area?
I am in Northeast Ohio. Only way to get redwood here is to special order. That and the cost of the wood make me worried that I will not be able to feed my family for a while. (joke).
Where at in Northeast Ohio.
How about a pic of what you need. I have some old redwood storms.
A closeup pic of the profile with dimensions.
Edited 6/15/2009 1:27 pm ET by rez
Hudson. Let me get some stuff together and I will e-mail you. Thanks for the help.
Be careful regarding the use of silicones they generally will leave in thier wake oils that will prevent virtually anything else from adhering should the need arise. The pine will be a bit difficult considering what is available currently {no old growth} minor density. How thick for the frames how wide. I just took up some western red cedar 120 years old. Good stuff it is .
Check out http://www.timelesstimber.com/ who have "100% salvaged wood, specifically from recovered timber". They are located in Ashland, WI, but claim to ship anywhere. Old growth guaranteed.
Disclaimer: I have absolutely nothing to do with these folks, except I happened to drive by their facility a few weeks ago.
BLKBRK,
i am in akron,
try Carter Jones Lumber on Case Ave---- I bought Redwood there 3-4 years ago for a similar project.
also--try Terry Lumber down the street from you in Peninsula. they are always very reasonable with me.
consider clear cedar--- maybe too soft-- but Terry has some insaneley nice cedar--I can't believe the growth rings per inch,etc..
I am at a temporary lull in a storm window project myself right now---1/4 sawn white oak. Materials are actually pretty reasonableper window---in fact if you are only doing one and want to use quarter sawn white oak---I could mayb sort of deal ya enough?
stephen
I'm going to measure everything tomorrow. I actually go to Terry, but never thought of them. Brain f*rt I guess.
Thanks. Get back with you.
You might take a look at Cypress. Stable, takes paint good. Available fine here in NW Oh. Used to go through your town in the 60's, from Solon.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Cypress is pretty high on my list.
I'd love to work with more cypress but the
quality is very bad here. knots, checks and and warped. Is that the norm? And if not, where can I order it from?
I've had good luck with a local millshop/wood supplier-a real mom/pop/sons operation that has grown over the last............25 yrs or so.
Straight is almost a given, flat usually and only rarely have I rejected a board for larger knots or checks.
It sits rough, they plane/straightline rip, s4s, or you take it as it is. 5/4 and 8/4 is usual stock.
This in NW Oh.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
I wonder if it's a West coast wood?
I believe cypress is a southern wood. It's strange to me that you couldn't find any good stock. I thought that clarity was one of the advantages of using cypress over cedar....it sure isn't because of the density because cypress scratches/dents like cedar. One disadvantage cypress has over cedar is that it is often difficult to machine. If you must rout it, you have to go very slow and make multiple passes or else! I made 40 storms out of cypress; towards the end was thinking I should have just used cedar or mahogany since job was carte blanche anyway. DC
So, far I've had three small projects involving cypress.
Every time it's been full of knots. Very strange,in that our local mill specializes in high
quality wood. Yeah, working with it is a bit finicky.
Calvin,
I looked for cypress here 2-3 years ago---and pretty much got laughed out of every place I tried.----- wasn't available here---at that time.stephen
stephen, beats me. The backwoods town of Portage has a supplier along with one in Toledo I know of. Been available from them for quite a while.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Go to a building salvage yard and find an old ,solid door...fir or mahogany. Beautiful old wood...mill to size, save a tree.
"Replicating 1927 storm windows"
Wow.
At two per day, that'll take ya almost four years.
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Use Spanish Cedar. Cypress is more splintery and prone to warping (new being not quite what 'old growth' used to be).
Jeff
Edited 6/16/2009 8:10 am ET by Jeff_Clarke
I second Cypress.
I've had good sucess with cedar on outdoor stuff.
The key is to cherry pick the lumber pile and let it dry out before you start working the stock. You also need to prime with good quality paint to seal any chance of bleed.
You can find clear 5/4 x 6, 2x6 and wider if you can hit a new pile of lumber and you are willing to dig through.
Edited 6/17/2009 7:28 am ET by Snagelpuss
Wilson Lumber, Memphis, TN has all the clear Cypress you need. They could fill a 50,000 bd. ft. order and you could look in the warehouse and not see where they pulled it. It almost seems to be reproducing in there.
great, thanks.
There's nothing wrong with white pine if you pick your wood carefully. I've made both storm sash and raised-panel cab doors out of white pine and never had one twist or warp.
Best quality is obviously CVG, but that's getting hard to come by and can be très cher; 'select' is fine for what you're trying to do as long as you are fairly picky about which 'select' planks you select.
Where you run into trouble is with the lower grades. #1&2 will give you grief unless you cut around the knots and re-saw from thick stock to get the grain running in the direction you want it.
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