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   ACI | Apr 05, 2005 06:55am | #1

   Other than initially laughing at your comment, I'm speechless.....

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   cabman | Apr 06, 2005 06:04am | #2

   Yup, hard to believe someone walked away from that thinking they did an acceptable job.

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   arrowpov | Apr 06, 2005 06:56am | #3

   They thought it looked ok from the truck backing out of the driveway. Was that a diy, did someone get paid for that?

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   Piffin | Apr 06, 2005 07:16am | #4

   Rock top looks a whole lot better than the cab work. Who made the decision to try putting a heavey top on such flimsy cabs?

    

    

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   calvin | Apr 06, 2005 02:57pm | #5

   Piffin,  I don't know about flimsy.  On frameless cabs you never try to shim away from the side panels.  I might question their need to shim in the first place.  Seams are generally made up using blocking at a side panel to widen the bearing point.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

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   cabman | Apr 06, 2005 06:59pm | #6

   Kind of an ugly situation all the way around. 

    The cabinets aren't flimsy they are 5/8 ply.Frameless yes , assembled with a          K-frame . Then came the problems. It is a 45" sink cab with sink front tip trays, a big Blanco undermount sink , and the cabinets arrived without a center mullion.

   I installed a temporary mullion, which was removed when the tops were installed.

   The granite installer had to remove so much material from the k-frame, that there was nothing left holding it to the gable. He tried to fix it with masking tape and silicone.

   Where it looks like the top is shimmed up is actually a door height filler, 3/16 down from the cab top.

   So many things went wrong no one person is to blame.                                   Designer should not have put tip fronts in a cab that big with that sink.          Manufacturer should not have built it the way they did.                                                I should have made sure the mullion I put in was not removable                              Sink should have been on site but the granite company needed it for the cutout     Granite installer should have been more careful.                                                          

   I photographed it to show all involved so it wont happen again. Raise the bar, right.

   Off to the next one, Darren.

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   DougU | Apr 07, 2005 12:29pm | #8

   I think your week link in this thing is the wide cab without much support.

   I never build a sink base, especially one 45" wide, that is going to receive granite without a solid front. Screw those tip out trays!

   Of course you already know that.

   Doug

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   cabman | Apr 08, 2005 05:03am | #10

   Yup, you're right there.

   At some point someone must have known a 39" Blanco was going in.

   The installer is always the last to know.

   It was a three hour fix, ripped out the tip trays, solid face, re-attached the now false fronts and scrapped away the silicone and epoxy.

   almost looks presentable

    

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   TJK1141 | Apr 07, 2005 09:27am | #7

   Well what do you expect when they're only paying $150-$200/SF for a house these days? Besides, all that sillycone and shimmin can be hidden with a little quarter round...

   A few weeks ago the wife and I looked at some "model" homes under construction in the area, and we saw many similar examples of bad craftsmanship. The attitude seems to be if it's out of sight, who cares? I don't know the answer, how do you get workers to take pride in doing things right if they get paid the same for crappola like this?

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   cabman | Apr 08, 2005 05:13am | #12

   how do you get workers to take pride in doing things right if they get paid the same for crappola like this?

    

   That's exactly it ,isn't it. Five or six different sub-trades all in one place at one time. Not everyone has the same standards, The GC can't be there all the time.

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   Frankie | Apr 07, 2005 04:46pm | #9

   According to pic #3, there is a countertop seam inside the cabinet dimension. Is there another one on the othere side? If there isn't, the granite will snap the first time they drop a haevey pot into the sink.

   If there is a seam, the front peice of the countertop, at the sink, will break loose. There doesn't seem to be any suport below along the top rail, plus the top rail isn't much for support in this situation, regardless.

   What a disaster in progress!

   F

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   cabman | Apr 08, 2005 05:06am | #11

   Just one seam right at the edge of the box and a dishwasher. There's planning.

   The whole job was jinxed, everyone had problems.

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   jrnbj | Apr 09, 2005 07:07am | #13

   loverly...
   Miele DW....$$$$
   Giant sink w/flip front base....$$$$
   Rock top....cheaper now that it's de' rigeour, but stil...$$$$
   end result...priceless