safety shuts another jobsite down again
well my stair openings are covered access ramps in place all my guys have thier hard hats and harnesses on…but the other ten carpentry crews are in violation of all the forementioned but we all get the week off including my crew.seen it happen over and over,lose the best of the weather.push the pays and completion dates ahead and then have to sit thew another four hour lecture and safety movie.then after a week of getting back to working I can always go threw the jobsite and find all the same violations again. personally I cant stand working without the common safety proceedures in place and here in ontario we have more than most other places.in my opinion if tradesmen dont work with regard to safety I dont want them around so if you meet me on a jobsite somewhere dont expect my respect if your standing there in running shoes. ok if your shirt sleeve isnt 8inches from the shoulder and your shorts dont hang past the knee I dont mind but if your stair hole isnt covered and you have a crew of five building walls I will probly think very little of your common sence infact I may even use your material on a sunday when I know my material isnt arriving till tuesday…cause by tuesday the job will be closed anyways.
Rob Steele Steeles Carpentry Canada
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wow and I thought folks would be all over this one ...hmmmm must all be too busy running back to the site to put up hand and guard rails eh?
Harness?
And my tennis shoes grip the roof better.
Next, you'll be wanting me to secure the ladder!
I see no problem with that, its like that everywhere, safety not follow hit the contractor where it hurt, back pocket.
We violate safety rules, we are fired on spot. Do some work in a chemical plant and see how lack your safety is. You cannot fart without a permit and a fire watch.
The best employee you can have but you wouldn't want him as a neighbor " He the shifty type"
It sounds like you are a sub on a large commercial or industrial project. What's the GC's responsibility for overall safety? If you're losing money and your guys are losing work because the site is not well managed, that's a problem. I assume if you gripe too much about it, or try to address it in contract, they won't give you the work.
"or try to address it in contract, they won't give you the work"
It seems that he's not being allowed to do it ayway! Subtle difference. Perhaps a clause is needed. Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
I never understood why those in compliance have to go for "training": isn't that a little like sending accident victims to AA so that the next drunk driver won't hit them ?
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
Its kinda like a contiune training course. In order for us to keep our insurance rating and to be able to work in some of the high risk plants around here. everybody in company must take 16 hours of safety each year. even the secetary and the accountants.
The best employee you can have but you wouldn't want him as a neighbor " He the shifty type"
I'm talking about the "punishment" sessions you get sent to if there's a violation on a site you're working on, even if you, as a sub, have been following all the rules..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
O.K. but it alway been a rule that anybody even a laborer can tell an owner to put on a hardhat. It should be that the GC would have to go but the rule and if his action should lock down a job then his sub should still get sometype of money. Alot beleive that safety is a group thing.
The best employee you can have but you wouldn't want him as a neighbor " He the shifty type"
Edited 1/10/2004 11:47:56 AM ET by BROWNBAGG
Would you do DJMerc's family a favor and send your inspector over to his crawlspace digout ???
Yaaarg !¡!¡! Hold still... While I smite thee !
quittintime
"there is this cool little key sitting right next to the z and ? keys"
On my keyboard there are 9 other keys between those two.
My guess is he didn't really mean the question mark key, but your default font (and mine too, cause the question mark is what I saw) doesn't have the character he did intend and substituted the question mark in its place.
bill and unc youse two guys are a couple of marroons obviously he's talking about the shift key cuz sometimes posters forget to use the shift key some posters even forget to use the period key so sometimes you get really long long paragraphs that seem to go on forever with no way of knowing where one thought stops and the other starts then it's tough for us mentally challenged folks to figger out the context of the message
Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!" Then get busy and find out how to do it. T. Roosevelt
woof woof!A shortcut is the longest distance between two points.
>> bill and unc youse two guys are a couple of marroons obviously he's talking about the shift key
That's what I figured, too, but it showed up on my browser as a question mark, and I wondered what he thought he typing.
I have that problem frequently. Some of the messages here have odd punctuation marks, and even some web sites that I visit don't look right. Apparently it's a setting on my browser that interprets things a little differently. The ones that most often are garbled are the inch and degree symbols.
Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!" Then get busy and find out how to do it. T. Roosevelt
I went back and looked at the orginal message.
It could have used a few Captitals (shift, Spaces, and Returns (enter).
But none of those keys are between any of the "symbol" keys on the keyboard. They are all on the outside of them.
I went back and actually looked at my keyboard, and sure enough, one shift key is next to the 'z', and the other one is next to the question mark key.
I only got eight..x,c,v,b,n,m,<,> did I get ripped off?
Go Stab yourself Ya Putz! Ya think I Parked here?
Ya missed , . and /
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
Ya missed , . and /
Dems UNdah the <> and the / don't count..we's talkin between the z an ?...you need more coffee..snowin here again..I know ...it's -200 at yer place..MORE COFFEE.
Go Stab yourself Ya Putz! Ya think I Parked here?
Almost at the bottom of the 2nd pot... 26*
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
I've read most of the posts on this subject. Safety is important. Insurance is an unnecessary evil. The cost of job site injuries in this industry makes your and my premiums rise. When costs rise we all suffer. Work safely.
I wish all you guys practice professionalism. Some, as witnessed by your comments, do not. I have fought the stereotypically preception the public has of construction workers all of my professional life, which is more than thirty years. Look how we are viewed on television. The redneck bumbling idiot with a third grade education that drives a rundown, beaten up truck and stays drunk all weekend.
I don't want to be classified in those ways. I have more self respect than that.
So, learn to speak and write properly. Accept the responsibilities of being in business. If that means having a safety plan which protects you and your trusted employees and therefore their families, than implement one. If that means being licensed, than register. Give more than you've taken. Be respectful of others. Especially those not in the trade(s). Try to have fun.
couplw of issues ago there was that guy that did backflips off the roof, that still bothers me.
I agree about the backflip photo. That was the closest I've come to writing a scathing letter to FHB. What in the heck were they thinking when they posted that?
<I wish all you guys practice professionalism. Some, as witnessed by your comments, do not. I have fought the stereotypically preception the public has of construction workers all of my professional life, which is more than thirty years. Look how we are viewed on television. The redneck bumbling idiot with a third grade education that drives a rundown, beaten up truck and stays drunk all weekend.>
Yeah, there is that image, and also the one of the "big time builder" who drives a brand new heavy duty pickup, has six guys working for him, (that's a lot around here) and all of his tools strangely show very little wear. Oh yeah, he also courts his banker better than he ever courted his wife, but can hardly read or write, and uses terrible grammar.
One of the things that I really like about this message board is the thoughtful, eloquent, and genuinely friendly posts that are often seen here. It made me feel like there ARE intelligent tradesmen out there, who respect their fellow builders AND their customers. It made me feel like maybe I need not be ashamed of my profession, like maybe there was honor and dignity in the trades after all.
I was in a bad mood when I saw the O.P., and was a bit too sarcastic about the run-on sentences and spelling. I think it's fine to do that in a "lighter" post, but if you want to be taken seriously, you need to use the rules of the English language. It's not that hard. My formal schooling ended with the fifth grade, and I do at least OK.
I know that my post will probably be scrutinized for mistakes, and there probably will be some to find, so have at 'er! I will stand corrected.
<So, learn to speak and write properly. Accept the responsibilities of being in business. If that means having a safety plan which protects you and your trusted employees and therefore their families, than implement one. If that means being licensed, than register. Give more than you've taken. Be respectful of others. Especially those not in the trade(s). Try to have fun.>
Excellent advice!
Be happy, do good work, and STAY WARM! Ben
Ben:
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate the use of good grammar as do you, obviously. I to, have known idiot sounding rich people. Some though, are the salt of the earth. We all know the General Contractors who have forgotten they mucked out houses getting started in this business and are now too good to mingle with the likes of you and me. (I'm a carpenter and G.C.) Life is what you make of it. Let's all keep up the good work making this industry reputableA contented man enjoys the scenery of a detour
I have a bit of a problem with quite a bit of what Mr. "run-on sentence" is saying here. For instance, I have been in this business for nearly 20 years and I have never ever seen an injury that steel toed boots would have prevented. However, I have gotten some debilitating blisters from wearing those worthless things. Also, what does he mean about having a crew of 5 building walls? I couldn't imagine having many more than that on a wall framing job. You would just end up tripping over one another. Don't even get me started about wearing shorts or short sleeved shirts. What on earth is "unsafe" about wearing shorts? Unless you are referring to the time I almost cut off my thumb when the home owner's teenaged daughter strolled past the jobsite wearing those evil shorts...
On the other hand.... One of my biggest pet peeves is idoits who don't want to take the time or the expense to erect temporary safety railings around stairways, etc. I once got into a screaming contest with my immediate supervisor when I expressed my dismay about that and he told me "If you're afraid you might fall, just stay away from it." I was just a young laborer, and rather new on the crew, but right is right, and I didn't back down from that one. Job security is one thing, common sense is quite another.
ya alright so I excelled in shop class and skipped the caligrafy hand holding class that you took , just so you could watch for those teenage girls you are self admittedly obseced with...when you asked whats wrong with short shirts and pants you obviusly didnt put much thought into it or you just havent much experience working outdoors.So for your own good I will point out for you that skin cancer and sunburn cases are and will be draining the coffers of our health and compensation systems for years to come.and while im grametectly embarasing myself and educating you I might aswell point out that a running shoe wont stop a 6inch sliver from being driven into the soles of your feet but a safety boot will.Anyways something in your name tells me you would be hard pressed to survive if faced with my enviroment period.
"I might aswell point out that a running shoe wont stop a 6inch sliver from being driven into the soles of your feet but a safety boot will."
I have never seena 6" sliver, but I am not too proud to believe that means they aren't out there. What I do know is on some jobs, I dress lighter than I do for other jobs. Demoing a brick wall? Steel toes are a great thing. Running base shoe? Steel toes give me blisters, and my running shoes don't mar the finished floor as much.
There is a time and place for everything.
BTW- This is not a criticism, just a plea. Punctuation would be appreciated.
Jon Blakemore
I have to agree. I am 'shopping' a new pair of boots since old ones are starting to unravel. However, there are often times I wear plain old t-shirts and jeans with athletic shoes. If I'm digging a lot I want the God love it steel shanked boot, but it I'm painting some bedroom I just installed a bay window in, less weight, muss and fuss are it.
That all said, I hire laborers from the local "by the hour" sometimes and the tales they tell make my hair stand up. Unharnessed and untrained individuals knocking down 6 story scaffolding?!?!
My pet peeve on commercial sites are uncapped rebar sticking up. Seen a nasty injury from that.
Yes, steel toes are a pain and cold in winter and hurt when it is hot. But a SIP I was carrying slipped and landed 1/2 on the steel toe and 1/2 on the top arch of my foot once. I limped for about a week from the bruised part of my foot not protected by the steel toe - I can still remember the pain 7 years later - but I would have been out of work completely if not for the protection. I try to match footware to jobs and wear comfortable hiking or running shoes; but I have to be extra careful to remember that I'm NOT wearing steel toes if I'm easing down a sheet of MDF or 3/4 ply with my foot.
I saw those tennies with steel toes somewhere also, but they didn't have my size, of course, and I've never seen them again.
D&L
The safety shoe trucks here all seem to carry full safety running shoes; a bit of sticker shock though. I had a pair in 11 EEE and I recall seeing a sign that >size 16 were special order..
Phill Giles
The Unionville Woodwright
Unionville, Ontario
Tennis Shoes?
Pretty much the standard footwear for California framers. Like to find a pair with steel toes. Did find a low cut pair of vibram sole shoes with steel toes at Wal Mart.
TB
On the safety issue, it certainly has it's place. Don't know the story behind this one but I would not want to be this guy. Warning, not for the squeemish!
damn... right thru the ole glutteous maximus... damn gud thing he didn't flip over and get himself in the biggus dickus...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
What do you think are the odds that he never again talks about 'getting the shaft' in quite the same way again?
whata pain in the a$$......lol