I thought id start another thread about this spacific subject.
I want to learn more about selecting appropriate mouldings for intirior use, that will match the period and style of a house.
I have a rough idea when looking but i want to know more. When they decided on what moulding to use, were there spacific profiles that were only appropriate for spacific house styles, or was it a regional thing? or a little bit of both..
I know there are classic profiles that were handed down from the greeks but are they all like that -long history- or are some just invented by the guy grinding the knifes at the mill? …or a little bit of both
Any info on this, even vaugely related would be much appriciated..
Also book and www suggestions.. Thanks
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I went thru that a few months ago while working up a bid for a customer with an Edwardian home. I spent a few hours on-line and managed to get several profiles. My problem was that they would have to be custom made. When the cost got over $10k, the customer decided that he really couldn't afford it. - lol
ouch. sounds like a time consuming bid but at least it was educational eh? In the future Id like to get a shaper and learn how to grind my own knives.. I'm sure many profiles would be too complex or challenging but some simple stuff is imposible to find and id love to be able to finish a job with that special touch.______________________________________________
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Yeah, it was an interesting exercise. - lol
I actually make a lot of my own moldings using various router bits, etc. The base molding on this piece is just 2" x 2" oak that I ran thru the shaper with a 1-3/8" cove bit. This is the second piece I've used this molding on - I like it bacause it's a simple profile and gives me some 'mass' if I need it.
The crown under the top is just a piece of 'stock' molding that I ran thru the saw to take some of the detail off of the top. I was trying to get close to a molding on a 30 yr old china hutch and it came out pretty close.
cool, thanks for the pic, that is a nice profile and the door's panel is pretty cool too.. I hope to see another one with finish on it______________________________________________
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Excellent piece of work Dave. Those corners are sharp!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Have you seen my baseball?"
I used to run a 5 sided moulder and profile grinder. I have made knives for every kind of moulding you can think of (curved too).
Not to rain on your parade but I would not recomend you grind your own knives. A profesional profile grinder sprays gallons of coolent on the knives as they are being ground. Even with that I would still occassionaly burn the edge and have to redress them. Leave it to a pro with pro equipment.
That said, I would say go for it in researching/desighning your own profiles. There are a bunch of reprints of old millwork books with moulding profiles in them (I have allmost all of them). Do you want to apply this knowledge to your own house or just for future refrence?
Books:
One book I would recomend is called 'Elements of Style" published by Simon & Shuster Its a large hardcover book that covers all the architectural periods. It gives lots of photo examples and some line drawings. It covers all the details of a building from doors and windows, fireplaces etc. Mouldings are shown but they are only a small part of the whole. But you get an understanding of what makes a Federal a Federal or QueenAnne or Edwardian.
The next three are all reprints of old millwork catalogs, like our modern day Brosco book (but much cooler). They are similar to each other so I dont know if you would want all three ( I'm a book whore)
'The Victorian Design Book' by Lee Valley
'Roberts illustrated millwork catalog' by Dover pub
'The Mulliner Box & Planing Co.' by Dover pub
>> Not to rain on your parade but I would not recomend you grind your >>own knives.You're probably right, i've been interested in metal fabrication and machining for quite a few years and i think partly i just get excited about projects that use skills from both sets.. However, ive never done metal stuff for work, just play, so my skills arent that.. "finely honed" id just like to try it for kicks.>>Do you want to apply this knowledge to your own house or just for >>future refrence?I used to work for some remodelers, great guys, i learned alot.. but, they had the worst sense of quality, allways MDF 1x4 trim no matter what kind of house(vynil siding, bad extirior trim etc..).. They just diddnt like finish work, and I couldnt convince them to use better matirials or let me spend a little more time on the details, so we parted ways.. I did most the trim because everyone else hated doing it so i learned some just by looking at the old trim and noticing the type of house etc.. but i want some book learnin! i need some authority or historical context, not just my own observation..>>BooksThanks for the reccomendations!! I'll havto pop by the bookstore______________________________________________
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As far as I know you can only get the LEE Valley pub book through Lee Valley tools catalog or web site. You may have to special order the Dover books or go online.
Try this web page...
http://www.windsorone.com/moldings/gallery.asp
great web-page! thanks______________________________________________
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check out the hull historical site- they're a mill that sells and recommends historically accurate trim. They also put trim packages together, for a room or a house.
http://www.hullhistorical.com
I like to go to open houses of old homes in our area and see what they used for trim. A lot of times, it is simpler looking than the decorative moldings that you typically see at a lumberyard--no dentils, egg & dart, etc.--pretty much stock moldings in their day. Nowadays, you can get pretty close using several stock moldings and building them up.
Aaron
Here are a couple additional resources
White River Hardwoods, http://www.mouldings.com Look at their online catalog. There is a section called 'style made easy' on chosing/combining mouldings based on the style (colonial, federal etc)
Also try http://www.sfvictoriana.com for victorian trim ideas and guides on trimming an entire room in the victorian style. (many thanks to Doug@ES for this link)
Regards,
Dennis
Dennis
They were stolen from someone else!
You get my e-mail with the pictures of the mouldings that I was telling you about?
Doug
Doug,
Didn't get them at either account. Can you resend them? Monica really wants to see Fabio.
Thanks,
Dennis
I'll resend but I'm sorry to say that Fabio has left the building!
Went their to do some "adjustment" stuff to cabs that we built some 5 years ago.
Low and behold, he sold the place. Guess he's had enough of Austin. It wont be the same around here. And to think, he never mentioned that he was selling.
Our loss. :(
Doug
PS, but who knows, maybe he's planning on a move to Cedar Falls! 12th st. IIRC, hahahaha
>>PS, but who knows, maybe he's planning on a move to Cedar Falls! 12th st. IIRC, hahahaha
Well the lot across the street did just get sold....Nahhh 6 months out of the year it's too cold here for him to run around with his shirt off. That would cramp his style.
Dennis