Homeowner wants me to lay self stick tiles (over existing tile floor) but wants me to also use adhesive/mastic as well. Any use in doing this? Any harm? thanks. Jimmy.
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No harm if you want to do it again and again, then have a real mess to clean up on your own dime when you get tired of screwing with it.
Self stick tile are the poorist choice anyone could make. They creep after being but down and can't take any water at all, or they'll pop.
If your going to install self sticks everything has to be spotless and you have to stay off the new stuff while you're installing. Also everything HAS TO BE PERFIT in the subfloor or will show up thru the tile.
Good luck
I refuse to lay self stick tiles unless I prep the underlayment. That includes being sure it is fastened dowen every 6 inches or so, the skimmed with levelor and sanded smooth, vacumned, and then I skim it over with mastic. The adhesive in those peel'n'stick will fail otherwise.
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Pardon my ignorance... are we talking ceramic tile or vinyl tile? The only self stick I've seen are vinyl/linoleum....
vinyl...going over old asbestos linolium tiles. Existing floor is in good shape. They realize there might be some ghosting through from the old floor. Got that in writting. Thanks.
I recently installed some Armstrong self-stick tiles. Bought them from Lowes, and they were the most expensive available (most expensive self-stick). Considerably thicker than the others, but not quite as thick as the standard vct tiles.
I spread a normal notched trowel layer of Armstrong adhesive and the tiles went down very nicely. The instructions said that it was ok to use a layer of mastic as a primer coat.
Based on that experience, I have (slightly) changed my opinion about self-stick vinyl tiles. If you get the thick ones, and use mastic, they work well. And the colors available are much better than the industrial stuff.
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Edited 11/4/2005 7:39 pm ET by FastEddie
no way. Get it in writing that they are throwing money away.
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Among others, I build some cheap houses... Even those have Armstrong sheet vinyl... Maybe I'm all wrong but when I think of self stick vinyl tiles I think of mobile homes or 1970 DIY...
Not trying to be negitive here - just being honest...
I've put a lot of self stick vinyl tiles on before over 1/4" luan and they have never come up.Joe Carola
Not saying they come up... I guess maybe I just didn't know that any kind of linoleum like tile was still in common use... I mean I know they sell the stuff at the home centers but... I guess that means someone buys it... On the other hand I guess we know what the target market is for home centers... I remember I had a house back in the 80s - kitchen was done in some kind of plastic tile - mastic was leaking up through the cracks - barf...
I gotta watch it here. BH already called me a jerk recently... ;-)
BTW - we don't use Laun any more either... 1/4" multi-ply underlayment plywood.
Edited 11/4/2005 8:50 pm ET by Matt
Who's BH and why do you have to watch what you say here?Joe Carola
I wondered the same thing.
Edited 11/4/2005 9:17 pm by Mooney
Someone didn't react too well to this: http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=65333.9
Matt,To me Boss Hog wasn't directing it at you. He was just telling the guy that some people do act like Jerks.So stop being so sensitive you Jerk..........;-)Joe Carola
LOL
"BH already called me a jerk recently..."
I didn't call ANYBODY a jerk in that thread.
I was just trying to get across to that poster that there were all sorts of people who hung around here and he needed to be more thick-skinned.
I don't recall ever thinking you were a jerk.
Although I'll be watching you now...
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Yea, after rereading what you wrote I saw that it wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
We gotta have some standards though... :-) As low as they might be :-) I'm talking quality of content... not personalities...
Still can't believe that someone is framing a house and doesn't know what floor trusses are... and, I'd really like to see the shop drawings for the roof trusses he is using... On the floor truss thing, maybe it's a regional thing and they just don't use them where he lives.At least the guy didn't come off like a know-it-all.
All good information.
I have rentals and fix up repos so those self stick tiles are sometimes just the ticket especially is the lay is weird. Otherwise I had rather buy linoleom. Ive about sworn off vct tile for all the maintenence. Was supposed to be less but its not. With that said there are a lot of tricks depending on what the substrate is and theres nothing in concrete so to speak.
Latex [the kind for concrete ] has been the best going over a prefinished floor. If I can get sheet goods that are in good shape or can be repaired , I love self stick after using latex. Its a sealer and will bond with latex adhesive.
In my opinion latex flooring glue is only as good when spread with a worn out 1/8 th notched trowel . We are probably talking about 1/16th. But then the floor has to be spotless and I mean spotless.
Either one of those is fine as long as you dont use too much glue because they like to slip as Pif said. They need to grab when set is the deal to some degree. After its done a couple of hours unlike linolem it can be rolled gently and carefully with a 50lb roller which isnt much. I use a 200 lb roller on sheet goods. The smaller roller will insure the set .
I like sqare tiles over sheet goods because the sheet goods give it a water proof backing . Thats why self stick tiles turn loose over regular prepped floors.
On plywood there must be a water tight prrmer used such as two coats of oil primer or better yet epoxy.
If there is a choice other than wood products then they make water resistant underlayment in several choices.
If you go over vct you need to know the sub base for it .
Tim