Hi there just received my new Senco SFN 30 finish nailer and noticed it was made in China. I’m really disappointed!!
Bruce
Hi there just received my new Senco SFN 30 finish nailer and noticed it was made in China. I’m really disappointed!!
Bruce
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All this China stuff burns me up. They cant be saving all that much by outsourcing. Another thing, I think the lousy Christmas sales this year at Walmart and similar places is due to people not feeling comfortable givin gcheap offshore merchandise as a present.
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I think the lousy Christmas sales this year at Walmart and similar places is due to people not feeling comfortable givin gcheap offshore merchandise as a present.
You must be joking.
I don't know, but gifts should be nice in my opinion, not fall apart useless junk. But that's just me.
They cant be saving all that much by outsourcing
I don't like seeing the "Made in China" labels any better than you, I suspect, but the savings to companies can evidently be huge.
I did some work for the guy who developed this:
http://snomoto.com/sidewinder-design/default.htm
I was curious when he told me a lot of the manufacturing was done on the Pacific Rim and asked him what kind of savings that netted....told me that typically there is a 60-80% savings all things considered, including freight back to USA.
If that's true for other manufacturers, it could literally be the difference between keeping the doors open or not....sad but true.
PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
Problem is the offshore (China) quality is dubious. The savings is in cheap labor, and less quality control.
did the guy that "developed this" develop this about 30 years ago?
that is an old design, i saw the same design with a kawaski H2 mounted on it when those were still available circa early 70's. H2 was a 3 cylinder in line two stroke crotch rocket with bad frame geometry (it wouldn't handle) and brakes (or stop).
if memory serves an early 500 H1 model in 69-70 did 0-60 in 4.0 sec flat! (but it would run like a striped ape!)
did the guy that "developed this" develop this about 30 years ago
Maybe he's slow :) PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
just wondering if it was the original guy, the things never caught on back in the 70's as far as i know, but i'm not in snow country. being a motorcycle enthusiast i read the specs in the articles, and on paper it way outperforms a snowmobile.
It could be that it was stillborn originally and now he has the time or $ to persue it. I used to snowmobile some...never saw one in the field. Used to read all the Sled rags and remembered this:
http://www.snow-hawk.com/home.aspx
I suppose the idea has been around for a while. I'd be curious to give one a whirl.PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
I was curious when he told me a lot of the manufacturing was done on the Pacific Rim and asked him what kind of savings that netted....told me that typically there is a 60-80% savings all things considered, including freight back to USA.
Somehow I don't think that senco is passing along any sort of discount for their labor windfall. The problem with stuff made in china isn't china but QC. The chineese will make something as good as you specify.... you just have to spec everything and constantly inspect.
that said I don't like buying from china but it is getting increasingly hard not to as everything seems to be moving there. What I hate the most is when you don't find out it was made there untill you unpack the box....
james
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here, flame suit on...
Somehow I don't think that senco is passing along any sort of discount for their labor windfall.
That's assuming that there is, in fact, a windfall. It's also a possibility that the gun would simply be more expensive if made elsewhere. Let's say the SFN 30 cost $100 more and was produced in Germany. Would they sell as many? Would they loose sales to the companies that do produce in China, and sell at lower cost? It's business, albeit big business. I guess I look at it like this; if it were my company, I'd do what's needed to stay competitive.
The problem with stuff made in china isn't china but QC. The chineese will make something as good as you specify.... you just have to spec everything and constantly inspect.
Wouldn't that be true of any manufacturing facility, regardless of country? I'm not sure it's different here in the US. Higher costs are typically associated with higher quality, and low quality will frequently be inconsistent.
It may sound like I'm an advocate of offshore labor exploitation...I'm not. It pains me to see our industry move offshore. But I do try to understand what motivates a company to do so, even when a portion of the public's setiment may turn negative. Evidently many companies feel it's worth it.
What I hate the most is when you don't find out it was made there untill you unpack the box....
Can't say I disagree with you there...i
PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
That's assuming that there is, in fact, a windfall. It's also a possibility that the gun would simply be more expensive if made elsewhere. Let's say the SFN 30 cost $100 more and was produced in Germany. Would they sell as many? Would they loose sales to the companies that do produce in China, and sell at lower cost? It's business, albeit big business. I guess I look at it like this; if it were my company, I'd do what's needed to stay competitive.
I haven't seen much stuff made in China that *doesn't* have a windfall difference between wholesale and retail pricing.
Yes, the nailer might cost more if made elsewhere. There is also the possibility that the price would stay the same, but with *less profit*.
Then, when consumers buy the cheaper Chinese product, the other manufacturers must lose sales or lower their wholesale price point so the retailer can get the same markup.
So, you are ok with selling out America to China to make a few extra bucks and satisfy what Wall Street *thinks* your hypothetical publicly held company should be earning? That's what is happening.
Unfortunately, it is getting to be more difficult to avoid buying Chinese sourced products.
I don't think he's saying he's ok with it.I think he's just saying that is what happens in real life, like it or not...
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
So, you are ok with selling out America to China to make a few extra bucks and satisfy what Wall Street *thinks* your hypothetical publicly held company should be earning? That's what is happening
Danski, I think if you re-read my posts, my intent is not to condone or condemn. Rather, I try to look at things from perspectives other than my own so I can gain a more objective understanding of what drives change.
American industry is undergoing huge tranformation... reasons run the gamut. Greed is part of it, I'm sure, but it's not the sole culprit. Throughout recent industrial history, we've had offshore competition...Taiwan and Japan come to mind. Sentiment for them was at one time similar to what China now garners.
I'll bet my blood runs as red, white and blue as yours. Our heyday as a world class producer in any number of areas has past... a damn shame. Our economy is increasingly driven by a global rather than national influence. Do I like it? No. I just don't see the value in spitting venom where it has little effect. In my life I hope I've learned to choose my battles more wisely.
If I were looking to grind an axe with greed in Big Business, I'd probably start with the drug companies...PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
That would so make me cry. I love my Senco Finish Nailer.
Really! I've heard that China is making fake copies of just about everything and selling them as the real. I sure hope that Senco doesn't do the cheap labor thing. The day they make my Red Wing work boots in China is the day I stop buying them.
Amen!
Best $200 business expense each year.
what about the worx boots at redwing, those are chinese!
I am sticking with my american made thoroughgoods at half the price of redwings, and very good quality!
True, that line of boot is foreign but it's the cheaper line of boot sold to those who prefer lower price and quality to higher quality traditional Red Wings. See http://www.answers.com/topic/red-wing-shoe-company-inc
i know redwing, they are excellent quality boots. i have had several pair.
i have also had quality hiking boots and work boots by other companies, white's, wesco, etc.
my opinion is that thoroughgood is 95 % of the boot that redwing is for 50% of the money and they are made in USA as well. also thoroughgood still makes the crepe sole work boot with both the moccasin toe and plain toe where as redwing discontinued my favorite plain toe crepe sole several years ago.
After reading your post I went over to my menards store to look. All the Senco nailers are made in Tiwain and all the Paslodes were from Tiwain or China. Only the Bosstich nailers were from USA.
That makes want to stay with Bosstich from now own!
nailerman
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Hi there I purchased my Senco SFN30 online and has a small sticker Made in China. I called Senco and they stated that production of most of there models are from Taiwan and China. I believe that goods from Taiwan are of a higher quality then from China where it is hit or miss. I should have bought an older SFN30 as the casting edges are ok but not perfect like my older Senco SFN40
Bruce