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   Scooter1 | Oct 04, 2005 11:57pm | #1

   With an 8' ceiling and thickness of the mud, you won't have a lotta room for the human being. Hope the customer are midgets.

   No Code that I know of. You still have to have curb, though.

   Regards,

   Scooter

   "I may be drunk, but you're crazy, and I'll be sober tomorrow." WC Fields, "Its a Gift" 1934

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   EricPaulson | Oct 05, 2005 12:18am | #3

   8' less 9 or 10 inches still leaves 7' even with a mud bed.

   Good call on the curb though, it's gonna be a ways down to the floor of the main room from the top of the curb.

   Don't see you here much lately Boris. Where you been?

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   Scooter1 | Oct 05, 2005 12:29am | #5

   I've been well. Somehow in the transfer to the new log in, they lost my other handle, Boris Yeltsin, so back to my 1st nickname in BT Scooter, which was lost when Prospero took over 4-5 years ago. So now it is Scooter1. Sigh.Thats still a hell of a first step outside a wet shower. No way to tie in below the floor level? If this is on a second floor, wouldn't a saddle t do the job?I sure don't like the idea of a step down. That has a slip and fall written all over it. Hope the bathroom floor has a good, small profile non-skid tile with lotsa grout lines.Regards, Scooter"I may be drunk, but you're crazy, and I'll be sober tomorrow." WC Fields, "Its a Gift" 1934

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   EricPaulson | Oct 05, 2005 12:32am | #6

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   EricPaulson | Oct 05, 2005 12:33am | #7

   Gotta be a way to lose SOME height if not all.

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   PaulBinCT | Oct 05, 2005 12:36am | #9

   Yes I am Eric, thanks.  I'm planning (if the hangover I plan to generate tonight allows me) to see if I can tie in to the drain in such a way as to at least lose some of the trap height below the floor...

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   PaulBinCT | Oct 05, 2005 12:35am | #8

   It's the 2nd floor of an old building Scooter, and I'm limited to about 5" of vertical space between the bottom of the clients floor and a steel deck above the downstairs neighbors ceiling. It's kind of confusing but essentially there's just no room for any fitting I can find.  I spent the better part of the day trying to find a 2" saddle and apparently they just don't exist. But yeah, if it helps the floor is nice old, well worn small tiles with beaucoup grout lines.

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   EricPaulson | Oct 05, 2005 12:14am | #2

   There is a code for ceiling height but I don't know what it is.

   I got called on it once in a shower that had sloping ceilings on either side of a flat.

   Pray tell; why does the floor of the shower need to be raised?

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   PaulBinCT | Oct 05, 2005 12:23am | #4

   Well... After two days of beating my head against the wall and trying every trick my limited plumbing skills know I've come to the conclusion I can only tie into the drain stack at floor level. So, I'm figgering that by the time I have the trap, drain, bed in place I'll be looking at about that height above the room's floor. I had realized the curb issue, but in a sense it doesn't seem so bad, when you consider how high you step into a tub frinstance.

   PaulB

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   JeffBuck | Oct 05, 2005 12:42am | #10

   remember ... when U step out of a tub ... you aren't "stepping down" ...

   you are lifting one foot and putting it on aprox the same "level" as the other.

   I've done exactly one elevated shower. Worked out fine ... and so far ... no reports of anyone falling down the stairs!

   decided to make for one "mid" step.

   made it plenty wide to get both feet firmly planted if need be.

   also ran the border tile on it as opposed to one big full piece of tile to get the afore mentioned "extra grout lines" ...

   even without the border ... if it was a regular job ... I'd slice the tile and make smaller pieces ... to add the extra grout lines for added traction.

   I did a test run on that job ... laid up two sections of scrap on scrap backer.

   the extra grout lines made a huge difference in "slippy-ness" ...

   the homeowner was an ER Doc and very safety conscious ... he tested it too ...

   and OK'd the final with the border. The step was a major concern for him.

    

   we had radiant heat below the concrete ... right in the wrong place ... woulda been major expense to dog/tear/reroute/cover ... platform framing the shower base took care of all that.

    

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   PaulBinCT | Oct 05, 2005 12:46am | #11

   Good points Jeff, thanks.  I'm chewing this whole thing over.  My clients suggested the idea when I threw my hands up at the issue of tying into the drain lower and I told them I was vaguely uneasy about it and I wanted to sleep on the whole issue.

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   plumbbill | Oct 05, 2005 02:45am | #12

   If you want a lower floor use an offset "P" trap.

   Connect drain body to a street 90 --then your runin flat- chip cut or whatever your base is so you can put a st 45 in turning down then a 90 then another st 45  then you about as low as your gonna get should save ya some inches there.

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   PaulBinCT | Oct 05, 2005 02:34pm | #13

   Thanks Bill!