OK guys and gals. I’ve got a big project coming up June 18th. Our Habitat for Humanity is hosting a Blitz build. We will be building 3 houses in 10 days and I’m in charge. A group of Honewell employees do this every year and we will be hosting them in Rockfrod, IL. http://www.blitzhomebuilders.org/default_css.cfm When the volunteers get here, we will have the slabs laid out and the plates marked and ready to build the walls (that’s the plan anyway). We plan to start building walls on Thursday and have the homes closed in by Saturday night. The subs come in Saturday afternoon and all day Sunday. Monday morning the inspectors show up the the houses are ready to insulate. Here’s the bottle-neck. The drywallers need to be in and out in 24 hrs! I originally thought that this could be done using hot mud. But after consulting with big area drywallers, this option doesn’t seem to be available. Should I keep looking for the right guys or is another option available? Kal-coat, skim coat, etc? How would you do it? |
You get out of life what you put into it……minus taxes.
Marv
Edited 1/20/2009 11:21 am by Marv
Edited 1/20/2009 11:22 am by Marv
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Is hot mud not available because the locals guys can't or won't work with it, or is the setting time of the mud still not fast enough for your timeline?
Jon Blakemore
RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I don't think the skills are available. The guys I see doing most of the drywall do not speak english.You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
And I don't think the skills are available. The guys I see doing most of the drywall do not speak english.
And speaking English has exactly what to do with applying any sort of drywall finish?
Using hot-mud is usually not the best option in any case.
1) Hot mud is more difficult to sand
2) Using hot mud alone infers that you are going for a smooth-wall finish, Otherwise you have the drying time of the texture
3) Hot mud " flashes" the paint surface, making the mudded joints look very different than the adjacent un-mudded paper.
Edited 1/20/2009 2:13 pm ET by McMark
Isn't hot mud a lot stronger than drying type compound?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Yes, I suppose that hot mud is stronger, but I don't think that strength is important in this application. Studs, headers, tape, and drywall all are important for strength, but drywall mud is only to give a clean, smooth and fire resistant finished surface. If the strength of the finish is important, then I believe major and earlier mistakes were made in construction
Hot mud " flashes" the paint surface, making the mudded joints look very different than the adjacent un-mudded paper.
Doesn't the primer take of this?
I'm assuming that by "flash" you mean that the absorbancy is different and it shows up in the final coat of paint as a flatter/duller area. I've used Durabond and EZ-Sand hot muds and I haven't had this problem as long as I use a primer before painting.
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Hot mud " flashes" the paint surface, making the mudded joints look very different than the adjacent un-mudded paper.
Doesn't the primer take of this?
I'm assuming that by "flash" you mean that the absorbancy is different and it shows up in the final coat of paint as a flatter/duller area. I've used Durabond and EZ-Sand hot muds and I haven't had this problem as long as I use a primer before painting.
Around here (Seattle) all reputable drywall contractors will skimcoat all hot-mudded joints with standard air-dry mud before paint. We have too many flashing problems on smooth-wall commercial finishes to do otherwise. All the painters are fine craftsmen from well known and established companies, using proper tools and supplies, including primer.
I've never seen a flashing problem when it's done RIGHT.
A base coat of Hot-mud is way stronger than regular joint compound. Same with a second or third coat. After priming with a high quality primer (we get great results with "USG Tuff-hide") you'll have no flashing problems.
As far as hot mud being harder to sand, professional drywallers should have to do very minimal sanding so this shouldn't be a problem. I often see first coats with hot then a finish with green lid compound.
I prefer plaster any day.
Maybe call Ty Pennington and ask what those guys use. They do it all in an hour.
And speaking English has exactly what to do with applying any sort of drywall finish?
I didn't mean to offend anyone. I meant that they have limited skills. They have been taught one way of doing things and don't want to change.You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
hot mud's also not the best for bedding tape.
I use it alot in remodeling and patching ... works best with stick on tape.
and I agree ... why rush a house.
all to say it was done in some "blitz".
who cares ... slow down and work wit yer eyes open!
Jeff
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
A blitz build is a way for Habitat to promote itself. Having been involved in a 10 day build, the local newspaper, tv and radio all show up and work together to promote HfH. It helps them draw in more sponsorships, donations and volunteers.
There was nothing like talking to the owner's little daughter as she asked when her room was going to be finished.
yeah .. I know what a blitz build is.
I think they're silly.
though if I was getting the hosue I'd probably not care what kinda mud they used.
I would vote for taking a full week on mine though!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
When my wife was building houses for a national builder she was on one of these "blitz build" deals. They blitzed all weekend for the cameras and then worked all week fixing what was done on the weekend. In a lot of cases that meant ripping it all out and starting over. She said it was the most expensive houses she ever built. If they had just brought the trades in on a (fast) regular schedule they could have had McMansions for what they spent on starter homes.
hot mud's also not the best for bedding tape.
It's all I use for bedding anymore. As soon as it hardens the first coat of topping goes on. I usually wait 'till it drys for the final coat.
OB
These stunts are simply stupid. Why not spend a little extra time and build a decent house.
TV can compress that to a weekend with video magic.
The TV show will only last an hour, why mot make sure the house lasts a lifetime?
Why not spend a little extra time and build a decent house
This will be a decent house. I'll make sure of it. If something is not being done right, I'll make sure its fixed.You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
Hot mud sets up fast but you can't start sanding it right away. 24 hours for drywall is ridiculous.
Hot mud still has to dry, doesn't it? What is the difference in drying time? (I never thought about it.)
Wr fixed some water damaged drywall in a house our church owned. The guy who worked with me used setting mud (90 minute). I went back the next day to paint--couldn't because the wall was still wet to the touch. Wasn't until more than 48 hours later that it was dry enough to paint.
Call the plaster guys.
Done in one day, paint the next.
Why not do ten houses in three days?
Screw the mud, use batten strips or caulk on the seams.
You're giving the electricians, plumbers, and HVAC two whole days to climb over one another?
You're being too generous.
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
Edited 1/20/2009 8:57 pm ET by MSA1
keep in mind ...
the plumbers and electricians volunteer for this stuff too!
they should all know what they're in for.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I would hope that were I giving a freebee, i'd at least be given room to put down my tool box.
It must be nuts with all three in there at once and for only two days.
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
do a search for mudless overlap drywall.... you can paint it before you hang it if you want
p
I googled it and came up with addhesive tape, no drywall. Got a link? Mike
Small wheel turn by the fire and rod, big wheel turn by the grace of god.
I'm sure you know this already:
You will be working with not fully dried lumber. Remember to allow for shrinkage when hanging the drywall, or someone will be repairing lots of cracks/bulges in the joints.
As far as using hot mud, the mud will be hard quickly, but will still have moisture in it. When I did my bedroom all with easy sand 90, there was one corner where moisture was still present when I painted. Looked fine after it all dried. Had me a little worried though. So, I don't know if that is something to worry about.
Bryan
"Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."
Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio - just south of the Glass City