In the back of my mind I knew that is was wrong to allow the client to help but I did anyways. Let me tell you the situation which I am facing. I am installing a two head shower with a dyed & ground concrete shower pan and tile for the walls. I installed the properly slopped mortar base and Shower pan liner that extends 10″ up the wall on three sides then poured the concrete pan and hit it with the diamond wheels. While I was installing the Hardibacker my client came in a said that he could install the hardibacker. I said sure and proceeded to tell him what I wanted, emphasizing not to put any screws in the shower pan liner, use adhesive instead. This was understood on two sides but on one side he put screws about 1″ above the top of the pan. So here is where I am wanting some advice since I am sure that this in not the first time that this has occurred. The Hardibacker is glued to the wall and liner so pulling it off is going to be miserable. In my mind there are two options that I see. The first option is to remove the screws and squirt silicon in to the screw holes and seal the living hell outta the grout. The second option is to cut the Hardibacker 8″ or so above the top of the liner, remove it, silicon the living hell out of the holes with a patch, and then replace the hardibacker with a new piece. Thoughts
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I'd be thinking redguard before silicon.
I'd also be thinking about kerdi down the walls to cover everything.
but mostly I'd be tearing at all out right now on the home owners dollar 'cause they're the ones who put a freaking screw thru my liner.
I'd also but not letting the HO do this in the first place ... but I had to learn that the hard way somewhere along the lines and I bet U just did!
I haven't used kerdi yet ... but I'd be digging thru all the info I could get to see if it could run down the walls and cover the screws and get that close to the liner on the floor.
and while I'm typing this ... I just realized what I'd do.
I'd get a strip of the pan liner and appropriate glue and just glue a 2 or 3 inch strip all the way around the bottom ... cover all the heads.
I've had plumbers glue cuts in the bottom of pans before with no problems.
gotta be done right ... but it's a good fix.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
The level of the top of the curb is the lowest acceptable hole in the pan, if they made 1 lower , rip off the backer & fix. If the adhesive has stuck so well that it wrecks the liner, then replace it all.
I like Kerdi, but it does not seal to a pvc liner and is installed at a different plane...not going to help you.
I'd go with option #1, silicone holds fish tanks together.
'cause it sticks good to clean glass.
are we so sure it sticks good to a pan liner?
just like the kerdi ... which is "stuck" with thinset ... so it makes sense it wouldn't stick good to that same pan liner.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
get a roll of kerdi band (20 dollars or so) and put a piece of it over where the hole is in the liner. You can do it while you are tiling. Do you have a membrane for the walls anyway?
Went to a Wedi seminar today. Of course, at this point, Wedi won't help you.
But, in putting the Wedi together, they insist that you use their urethane caulk to seal the joints.
So, thinking about that, would it be possible to remove the screw(s), carefully enlarge the hole(s) in the cement board, totally clean the hole and the liner where the screw went through, and then fill the hole with urethane caulk, making sure that the caulk goes to and through the hole in the liner.
Otherwise, I'm with everyone so far to rip it out and redo, at the HO's expense.
Lesson learned - don't let HO do your work, unless it is to sweep up at the end of the day. Even then, you have to make sure they don't haul off materials that you are still going to use.
Bryan
"Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."
Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio - just south of the Glass City
Hey ! .... not all homeowners are clueless you know. :)
I have done alot of the work in the house we are finishing right now. The builder (a well respected long time builder in our area) approached me yesterday as said he had been thinking about something for the past while. He said... , given the quality of work I had done, and guidance/communication I had offered to subtrades, he wondered if I might be interested in joining him to help build homes.
Woohoo.. that was quite a rush !
Gents,
Thank you for your thoughts. I ended up gluing a patch like one would repair a raft then sealed the living hell out of it. It is currently being leak tested and then hopefully tiled. I have never used the Kerdi, maybe I will on the next one.
I am a backup/enmergency floorcovering guy (can't quite give up an old trade!) and the rule of thumb i learned from my dad is; Here is my price. If you want to watch, its double. If you want to help, you can't afford me.