Tip me: Tiling Backspash in exist. kitch
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Want to tile the area between the counters and the uppers in an existing kitchen. Walls are 1/2″ sheetrock.
Tear out sheetrock between the uppers and lowers?– put in tile backer? Tile over sheetrock with bonder?
Backsplash would meet doorway–has no casings now.
Is there a way to flush the tile with the rest of the wall so’s I can run over it with the trim?
What is the “Clean, Professional” way to make this come out right?
Thanks always!
pat
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Glue the tile to the sheetrock. Prime it first if it is new and if it makes you feel better.
Butt the end of the run to the door casing or use bullnose or..............
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What's on the sheetrock? Paint, wallpaper, ... ? Is there a small laminate splash as part of the countertop?
Don't forget that you will need to extend the outlets, or at least get longer screws.
You could do it any of the ways you mentioned, but there's probably no reason to demo the existing sheetrock. You do need to either remove wallpaper, or screw a sheet of sheetrock, backerboard, or plywood over it.
Since there's no door casing, you either need to use bullnose tile, or some other tyype of decorative edge tile, like a rope liner.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
I use thinset for everything ...
except for backsplashes.
That's what mastic is for ... aka ... glue it.
unless U have an unusual situation there ... standard practice is to install the trim and butt the tile to it.
But ... U could select the tile ... measure the thickness ... cut out the drywall ... install say 1/4" ply for 1/4" thick tiles ... and it'd be recessed ... but flush at the surface.
That said ... doubt I'll ever run into a situation where that'd be the way to go?
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Thanks,
You have a rec. mastic product for this? A bucket of spreadable stuff I assume?
For some reason I had it in my head the tile should run under the casings and the uppers for that matter. I think I saw it that way in a new install somewhere. Very clean.
But.. I'll apply it to the sheetrock and butt to the casing for sure.
Pat
From the few posts I've read here your replies warrant a good tile book or video to read or watch before you start. A backsplash is very easy as is anything if you know what youre doing. A backsplash is an easy project to start with but on the other hand its too easy to see all the F ups being its always being stared at which might not be a bad thing if its your own crib. You will constantly be re-evaluating your work.
Personally I always use CBU's not that its always necessary. I just feel it becomes more "one with the wall"especially using thinset. If the studs/framing are square to one another you could go with a 1/4" CBU. I also always use thinset but thats just me. Its as easy as mastic except that you have to stir it with liquid rather than just scoop it out of the tub.
Far as how to end the tile by the doorway. that depends on the look youre after. If you want no moldings you could use a border tile or get tiles that offer a finished side. you could use 1/4 round molding and paint it the same as the tile.
You could put a plant there...sky's the limit bro.
Just,
Be havin' fun
andy The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides, I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace. I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Yes, most of my tile experience has been floors-flat, funky, crude, mosaics and big grout joints.
I'll get the Bryne book.
To continue on my ignorant thread, what is "CBU?"
Never know if you don't ask. Although I might already know what this is--but don't know your acronym.
Thx,
Pat
http://www.johnbridge.com/
seeing as how it seems like U want to learn a bit about tile ...
that is by far the best tile forum on the net. As long as U put your specific question in the right catagory ... there are tons of tile professionals that will answer any specific question you have.
such as ... cbu = backer board.
it's an interresting mix ... as John and Byrne clash on some stuff. Me ... I like John better ... but the Byrne Book is a main stay in my library. Mike used to edit part of the JLC website ... and I didn't care for his personality ... but the man does know his tile.
Him and John are just two experts butting heads occasionally ... but neither will lead you down the wrong path. 100 ways to do it wrong ... and their 2 ways to do it right.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
such as ... cbu = backer board.
Don't mean tro be picky Jeff, but you left off the important part ... cement. It's important because some people still think greenboard is appropriate, and then you have Denshield, which I abhor as being only slightly better then sheetrock.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
true ...
not problem being picky ... too much left to interpretation on my part there.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
What Jeff said!
Byrnes book was the first tile book I read thoroly over and over untill I totally understood it. I found it a bit complicated, but what isn't when its explained in such depth? At least it was complicated to me back then. Decades ago. During reading it I was taking on some pretty complicated tile projects using pretty expensive tile. 12x12 Taimwan green marble in a shower stall I built where one whole wall was glass block an alcove w/ a big bench seat. Large nook in one wall for soap shampoo etc etc. and I tiled the whole thing including the ceiling. What a trip it was to do the ceiling with such large tile (that wasn't in his book...ugh). The shower (no shower door by the way : ) led out to a floor with two levels and a platform for a jacuzzi and a sink counter top tiled w/ the same. On all outside corner edges I mitered each and every tile. Did the entire thing in a mud job not CBU except the walls (CBU:cement backer unit). Probably was the best tile job I ever did and that was my first biggie.
I find tile work rather exciting. I love stone work. all stone work. There are so many possibilities to get exited over and the end result has such depth and warmth. Its also one of the more fun jobs to me.PS. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't tile over plywood. You "can" and it's just as solid as a cbu job, just not water proof. And with cbu's which is water proof...the water can still get saturated into it which is why you need felt paper behind it in wet areas. It just won't fall apart like drywall.You just need how to do it right like anything else.
Be peeling liquid latex off your hands.
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides, I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace. I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
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