Does anyone know about a product that attaches to a toilet and reduces the rough in size from 12″ rough in to 10″ rough in. There are so few choices of toilets that are 10″ rough in. I saw a Toto product that converts any toilet that is made for 12 down to a 10 and hope somebody has experienced this or one like it. Thanks
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There are many, many 10"RI toilets available, just not on the shelf at HD and Lowes. I found probably 50 options when I made the mistake of reading the directions from an American Standard "space saver elongated toilet in a box" from Lowes. The directions said RI was 10" with the tank included. Dummy roughed it 10 and guess what. Went to web site, cust svc and nice lady said gee that won't work, you will have to take it back. Well duh.
While they may not be the crown jewel of "terlits" my supplier had Gerber that bowl is for 10, 12, or 14 with appropriate tank. Took the two AS back to Lowes and oh by the way saved customer/friend 50%. I have put in a lot of these and they have not caused me any problems yet.
When I went to Lowes they went through their computer look-up and we found 10" RI from all the major players.
There is an offset toilet flange if you can/want to change it. I shy away from any restriction I can avoid though. Had to use one on mine because screwed up and had truss right where should have had the drain.
Edited 1/5/2006 11:44 am ET by rasconc
rasconc - I don't know if you have the answer, but since you seem to have some connection to the plumbing end of things, figured I would ask.
Is it true that the bowls sold by HD are manufactured to special lower standards for them. Someone I know was told by someone else (that's where it gets suspicious) that if you take say an AS bowl from HD, and try to use standard AS parts to replace the guts, it won't work. Sounds strange, but possible.
Any observations?
Don K.
EJG Homes Renovations - New Construction - Rentals
I have no idea. I do know that the Lowes purchased Am. Std. toilet was not a # I could look up on their web site. It is concievable and supposedly happens in tools and other items but my experience is that usually it is a packaging/pairing special deal rather than some quality thing.
I know Wal-mart/Sams does it, I bought some pretty scuzzy Hunter fans through them. But to be fair four 4-blade 48" Hunters I put in the house for under $50 each have been fine. The have enough purchasing power to buy many months of production and specify whatever they want to foist off on us.
How many replacement parts are there on a toilet bowl? I do not recall any. Tank is different story, I would guess it is more of different model/vintage issue. I am not a plumber, just repair/remodel guy who steps in stuff occasionally.
Edited 1/5/2006 2:27 pm ET by rasconc
Don, I began to suspect the same as you were told after buying a Kohler Memoirs toilet at HD. It retailed there for about half the price of the one displayed at the Kohler showroom.
When I went to install it, though, I found with the bottom perfectly level, the top of the bowl sloped nearly a half inch, side-to-side. I had to split the difference ... shimming the bottom about a quarter of an inch.
It seemed to me this was essentially a "factory second," boxed up anyway to sell cheap at HD. But I don't have a whole lot of experience installing new toilets ... in the past I always reused the old one.
Allen
Best thing to do, if you're wedded to the specific toilet, is to install (or have your plumber install) an offset flange.
happy?