So my inlaws had settled on Eagle windows. Along comes the builder and tells them about Vetter being a better window.
what do you guys say?
So my inlaws had settled on Eagle windows. Along comes the builder and tells them about Vetter being a better window.
what do you guys say?
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Go with Marvin.....
I tried, but the price difference was too great.57,000 for Marvin 38,000 for Eagle.
Ahh, yes. That is a problem. Sorry bud.
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Describe the house, in laws, preferences in windows - $38K in windows sounds like a lot of windows.
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6500 sq. ft. colonial, about 60 windows, double hung, low-e argon, 25 of them are 3' x 5.5'rest are a little smaller.inlaws can not be explained.
I respectfully submit that in a house that size with overall construction costs as high as I am guessing, the homeowners will regret not spending the extra $19k on the Marvins. ...unless they have a large mob of kids they're still feeding. :-)
Did they research the window choice themselves?
Resale will also be enhanced by the Marvins vs Eagle or Vetter as the big ad budget consistently reinforces the brand's quality image in people's minds.
Oh well, it's their house. My present and last house had it's windows replaced with Marvins.
FYI - Vetter is part of the Schield window/door family of companies that include Crestline and Weathershield. I've had fair->negative experiences with those companies products but have no opinion on Vetter.
"Resale will also be enhanced by the Marvins vs Eagle or Vetter as the big ad budget consistently reinforces the brand's quality image in people's minds."Do you have anything to back that up.On a new home it might be a talking point, but I don't see it affecting value.And on a 5-10 year old home it won't make a penny's difference. First who is going to know what brand the windows are.And windows are what sells the home. And if they open and aren't rotted out they will be a non issue..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
"Resale will also be enhanced by the Marvins vs Eagle or Vetter as the big ad budget consistently reinforces the brand's quality image in people's minds."
"Do you have anything to back that up.
Marketing 101... But wait, of course I've got a multi-region quantitative survey of over a million homeowners to back up all my opinions just like you cited with yours... ;-)
Need more back up, talk to a realtor, or better yet a real estate investor. ANYTHING positive that differentiates a home can help sell it no matter how old the house. Will it matter as much as shiny new granite in the kitchen, of course not as people buy based on emotion not reason. (people on this board may possibly be the exceptions)
As for people not knowing the brand of windows, ask random home owners what brand windows they've heard of or own and you'll hear Anderson, Marvin, and Pella. If they don't know, they don't care and it's not a selling point - QED. If you spent the money, you care, and you'll mention it to the next guy.
So long as the big vendors keep running image ads, noting their products in a house while selling it will have value whether truly quantified or not.
Thaumaturge - "Marketing 101... But wait, of course I've got a multi-region quantitative survey of over a million homeowners to back up all my opinions just like you cited with yours... ;-)
Need more back up, talk to a realtor, or better yet a real estate investor. ANYTHING positive that differentiates a home can help sell it no matter how old the house. Will it matter as much as shiny new granite in the kitchen, of course not as people buy based on emotion not reason. (people on this board may possibly be the exceptions)
As for people not knowing the brand of windows, ask random home owners what brand windows they've heard of or own and you'll hear Anderson, Marvin, and Pella. If they don't know, they don't care and it's not a selling point - QED. If you spent the money, you care, and you'll mention it to the next guy.
So long as the big vendors keep running image ads, noting their products in a house while selling it will have value whether truly quantified or not."
Not true at all Thaumaturge or certainly not true often enough that that kind of thinking can backfire on you. Here's a lesson from Marketing 201. You tell a perspective buyer that the house has Tradewoods or Zeluck windows and I will bet you 99% of the time they will have never heard of them. You then tell them that Tradewoods and Zeluck windows are gold standard premium brands and suddenly Marvins (Anderson & Pella) are ho-hum. I can do the same thing with Vettter (too which is a really great window). In fact I prefer the brands that people don't have preconceived ideas about. If they have the prejudice for or against a particular brand before hand the conversation is over. If they have never heard of it before the conversation is just beginning. Not everyone wants a Chevy some people appreciate having a Saleen, a car no one has heard about.
DeWalt and Rigid are the brand names most consumer know and identify with "quality professional tools" but if you educate someone who really wants a "quality professional tool" a little don't you think they would end up preferring a Festool?
As for the Vetter vs. Eagle debate I think it's a toss up. I could see either one winning and I'll bet you in my area my market Vetter and Eagle have more cache than Marvins and certainly a lot more cache than Anderson and Pella. Ya can't get Vetter, Eagle, or Marvins at Home Depot and Lowes and that can be a real big selling point.
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"Not true at all Thaumaturge or certainly not true often enough that that kind of thinking can backfire on you. Here's a lesson from Marketing 201..."
That kind of thinking? Naming a big brand that people know and respect will backfire? Hasn't happened yet. Naming an unknown brand and trying to convince someone it's a premium brand is the more likely case for a backfire. If I were putting windows in a big house as mentioned by the OP, I would not want a future unknown buyer to have to be educated about my brand choice.
"In fact I prefer the brands that people don't have preconceived ideas about."
Why? Do you like to work harder to sell something? Given the choice of comparable quality, I'd much prefer to use a known brand and immediately get the "oh yeah, they make good stuff" response due to the fact that the brand is recognized and respected. Now, if the only recognized brands are junk, then that's another matter.
"DeWalt and Rigid are the brand names most consumer know and identify with "quality professional tools" but if you educate someone who really wants a "quality professional tool" a little don't you think they would end up preferring a Festool?"
I'm not talking about educating a buyer, the company already built the brand for me. That's my point about Marvin.
Festool has only (barely) marketed itself to pros who can understand and justify the cost. The average home buyer does not value a $400 circ saw from Festool because they have not been educated to do so yet by Festool.
Did you ever think 30 years ago, that people would honestly believe paying $10,000 for a SubZero refrigerator was reasonable and that the selling price of the house could be higher because of it? Behold the power of marketing and brand maintenance.
My point is that marketing has a huge impact on consumer behavior - like it or not. Say something long enough, strong enough, and to enough people, and perceived value becomes real value. In the case of Marvin, I happen to agree with them that they make a better window than most other brands. Are there more premium choices available from a smaller or less known firm? Of course.
buy based on emotion not reason. (people on this board may possibly be the exceptions)
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I must agree with Thaumaturge. Spend the extra $$$$$, in a home that size and that pricey, don't cheap out.
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