Long time reader of breaktime, first time posting. I am going to put vinyl siding over T-111 siding (DW wants it). Do I need to put felt over the T-11 first or do I just hang the siding?
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go to the VSI web site for complete directions. VSI= vinyl siding institute
Take this opportunity to reflash all your windows, doors and other penetrations through the walls.
why not look into fiber cement???
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Fiber cement is the new EFIS. I think in a few years few people will want it.
don't believe so...
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FC siding has been around since the mid 80's...
how can you compare it to EFIS???
FS has set it's self a decent track record as where EFIS seems to be always collecting lawsuits...
besides they're apples and oranges to each other...
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Get on the internet and do some research and you will find several instances of fiber cement falling apart from moisture. I also suspect the dust from sawing it may be as bad as asbestos.
plenty of ways around the dust with alternate installation practices...
WTB... delaminating is more to the fault of the installer than the product...
and while yur here ...
OSB and ply products... delamination... breakage... swelling... there's a host of items for these two...
what about......... pick one .. any one...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
almost forgot...
concrete has been around since the Roman days...
so tell us...
what happened with you and FC products???
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WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I've never used it. But I've seen and read of some of the problems. Also cement has been around a long time but cement with wood fibers in it is not quite in the ancient category yet.
what problems would they be???
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WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Have you checked the sky lately to see if it's falling? There are problems with every building product out there. Nothing is perfect. All of them have to be installed and maintained (properly).
The sky is not falling.
asbestos causes asbestosis.
the other causes silicosis.Both can be avoided with precautions.Where FC falls apart, it is from improper installation like the photo in Dustin's thread with a bad flsahing and the FC cut fit tight on the shingles
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asbestos causes asbestosis.
the other causes silicosis.Thank you, we already know this.
I'm not sure why you said this?
I was differentiating between the two. It is verifiable that asbestosis is far more hard on a patient than silicosis is, contrary to your opinion. In my mind, that was all clear, but on re-read, it was only implied in my post. Sorry.
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My opine, for what it's worth...Either one is good when done right and neither is worth a bale of moldy hay when done wrong
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Definitely. Either use felt or housewrap. As a previous poster mentioned, properly flash all your windows and doors before you put on the vinyl. Integrate the flashing into the tar paper or housewrap. Tyvek is a bit easier to use in this regard because adhesive flashings and tyvek tape will stick to it. Additionally, you can tape all the horizontal seams in the Tyvek. Felt paper not so much. Understand that there are some people on this board who have a thing against Tyvek, but in your situation I think it would be good. If you opt for felt, that's fine too.
Thanks for the info. Just to make sure I understand correctly, I will now have a layer of the originial felt paper, the originial T-111 siding, a new layer of housewrap (felt or paper) and then the new vinyl.
yup...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
There is no need, unless you live in an area of the country where you need a rain screen.
I just looked up and you re in Tenn.
There is no need for underlayment paper, except if you are going to reflash your openings.
Edited 10/12/2009 1:32 pm ET by frammer52
I would definitely use tyvek or typar
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as heavy storm prone his locale may be...
felt....
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
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i'm thinking in terms of tying the typar to the window flasings.
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Ditto that. Typar is ok for a longer period exposed to weather than tyvek, and vycor will adhere better to the flashing, etc, than felt.
Bing
Edited 10/12/2009 3:28 pm ET by Bing187
see yur point...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Vinyl?
You are a man after my heart!
I am going to put vinyl siding over T-111 siding
Stupid me, I thought I was at the FineHomebuilding site
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You are one of 'them' eh?
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