wall 2 inches out of level fix or leave?
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I HIRED A FRAMING CREW TO DO A SECOND STORY ADDITION ON MY HOME.WELL WHILE PUTTING IN THE WINDOWS I NOTICED THE EXTERIOR BACK WALL IS OUT OF LEVEL BY TWO INCHES OUT.IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP. I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BATHROOM AND NEAR CLOSETS. 2 INCHES TO SCRATCH NEAR A DOOR LOOKS BAD.I THINK I CAN MOVE IT IN.WITH A SLEDGE AND CUTTING THE NAILS ON THE BIRDS MOUTH. INFO AND HELP WILLBE APPRECIATED
THANKS
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Suggesstions:
1. DON'T YELL. FIND THE DAM CAPS LOCK KEY.
2. Wrong folder. Click 'edit' and move it to Construction or General Disc.
3. Do you mean level or plumb? Either way, sounds like a mistake the builder should correct, not you.
Amen to the above!
ALL OF IT!
If that wall is a bearing wall (supporting the roof load. for instance) and it is two inches out of plumb, it is a danger. It should have never passed inspection! (You did inspect it before paying the crew, right?
Excellence is its own reward!
YUP BUT THEY HAD PLYWOOD STACKED OVER THERE I CHECKED IT BEFORE THE ROOF RAFTERS WENT UP. I CANT SLEEP NOW
On the left of your keyboard is a little button that is lableled, 'Caps Lock'. Please touch it once. Writing in ALL CAPS is considered shouting on forums and is somewhat rude because it is harder to read. I know that you are tense but no need to yell at us.
I hate to break bad news to you but maybe we can help you out here. Calm down and tell us exactly what poiunt you are at.
Is there an inspector and building dept in your locale'.
Is the sheet rock up yet?
Is this a real builder with contractors liability insurance or a jackleg independent 'carpenter' who has had a nail pouch for three years and a magnetic sign on the side of his truck?
If he has allowed this to happen, I suspect there are other problems. Best to deal with them all at once. You need to find for sure what they are and an official town building inspector can be your best friend, unless he's already passed the frame inspection.
Tell us more.
Excellence is its own reward!
Gee Piffin, you are ready to inspect it up and sue.
Sounds like he is at frame, and he can sue next year.
This is an addition on who knows what, and who knows what is wrong. Something is wrong so where are we at with the frame? Did things get off the 2nd deck ok? Did the "design" support the roof? I suspect there is a lot of blame to go around.
No doubt it has to be fixed now.
I was thinking more of how to fix and less of when to sue. If this is the kind of builder he seems to be, suing won't do any good. but we all have lots of unanswered questions so we should have some answers instead of wasting time with surmising and if this scenarios.
Simplest solution, if stilll in framing stage and not paid for yet is let the bulder do the worrying.
Excellence is its own reward!
Piff, you silly boy! Simplest solution, if stilll in framing stage and not paid for yet is let the bulder do the worrying. What he hasn't told us is either 1: the whole story or 2: the other side of the story. Of course the "builder" has been paid. And if the "builder" was the worry-ing kind, the wall wouldn'nt be like it is. Permit? We don't need no stinkin' permit! But he did have real pretty business cards.
I dont type well. i am not yelling its just eaier to type.see i subbed out the framing on a second story addition on my own home. it is not square or perfect in any way . but i am a good craftsman and a perfectionist whan it comes to my work.i fixed the wall yesterday. 8 hours with the flu ..this #### did not return any of my calls.it looks like i got a tailight waranty. sueing sounds nice.but when you win you never get paid. abc inc. becomes xyz inc. the ridge is fine. he was just rushing. there was a chimney on the iniside wall. instead of trimming the top plate bacck 2 inches he just smacked it up.he knew he f--ked up.when he put the partitio wall up there was an arrow wand it said back 2 inches. so they knew.i will never pay anyone to do work on my house again. this idiot was highly recomended.i gat mad when i think of wasting 6 grand for 4 days of sh-t labor . and three days of fixing and finishing the job the right way.
here is another pic
sorry here is the pic
Bollie, one thing you don't have to apologize for on this forum is your spelling/grammer. You want to see some bad spelling, check out Ron Teti's posts! (Luv ya, Ronnie :) ) Just tell the whole story, and if you have pictures, they're always appreciated.
Well, that's another fine mess you've gotten us into, Bollie.
Hey Bollie, I took a look at the pics. That is an awful lot of work done for 6 thousand. In all that work, one wall was out of plumb by 2 inches. Yep, yer right, that means the whole 6 thousand was wasted. Not a blamed thing was done right. It has to all be s h i t labor. I'll bet there is not a single corner in there that you can stick a square into and not get at least a 32d inch gap SOMEWHERE on the square. I'll be surprized if the county lets you leave it standing. Why God himself might come down and smite you if you tried to live in that kind of a mess.
Lets see, 6 thousand dollars to do a job that should have cost half again that much. Even as a "bargain", a "favor" from someone with a good heart and some time between other jobs.
And doing the work for someone who is a self-proclaimed "perfectionist". Hmmmm.... I wonder why the guy was in such a rush.
You put an arrow up there saying "back two inches". What else did you do ? Put signs next to the crooked/high/low wall outlet boxes ? Go up and measure each row of roofing to make sure they were all exact ? I'll bet they probably showed up 5 minutes late every day, and left 7 minutes early too. And took 13 minutes for a coffee break instead of ten.
This guy was highly recommended ? Sounds like the other people on your planet must all be idiots as well, if they highly recommended him.
One thing I have no doubt you are right about. You will never pay anyone to work on your house again. Well, at least not that particular anyone. I'm sure he has learned his lesson.
Not changing that caps lock button, until being asked several times, may be an indication of a lot more than just shouting. Especialy in light of the rest of what you have written.
A wall being out of plumb two inches is no small matter. It SHOULD have been fixed by the contractor. But I get the feeling there was a helluva lot more going on than you have said. I think maybe the fact that the contractor got out of there instead of fixing it may have been either self-defense, or a mutual understanding. I don't think that anyone gets themelves tagged with "Highly Recommended" by going around and doing things like making a wall 2 inches out of plumb and leaving it that way.... as a matter of course.
If everything that you have said and shown is taken into account, there is still a large hole in the information here, and only one side to the story.
Just my take on the matter.
Atta boy Luka!
You know, one of my all time "pet peeves" is when someone tells me a wall is out of level when it's actually out of plumb!
One of my all time favorite true stories about walls involved a single story, commercial block building that was to have gable trusses installed on it. The building was a 40X60 and it was way out of square! The carpenter sub was complaining to the general contractor who did the masonry work himself. Conversation went something like this....
GC..." Hey, your trusses look like ####! How come they're not lining up right.
Sub..." Well my guys were wondering the same thing, so we started remeasuring, and guesss what? This one wall is kicked out nearly 4 inches! Now how can that be?
GC..".No way. I laid this block myself. Hell, I even had the building lines shot with a transit before I started!
Sub..."Oh yea? well pick up this steel tape, come with me, and check this out. Then tell me what you think.
15 minutes later after re-measuring the building for square..... GC shakes his head, turns and shouts to a nearby pipefitter who is fabricating some steam lines ........
GC..." Hey Joe! You %^##% welder! You ain't ever gonna run my transit again!
Joe, who is a bona fide welder by trade, puts down his stinger rod, lifts up his welding mask, and replies..."Told you I ain't never done that before!"
GC walks off cussing a blue streak. Finally he comes back to the sub, looks him in the eye and says; "Well, you gonna fix those trusses or what?"
Now it's the sub's turn to walk away and start cussing......
As they say...And Now You Know The Rest Of The Story!
Yea, you're right Luka...2 or more sides to every story, and I think we might only be hearing half!
Davo
first off this was framing only. labor only., i did all the packing out alll the windows all the roofing. there were many other mistakes made which i fixed myself. i also left many small problems un fixed. like studs 11/2 inches off. wrong side of the line.boy is that goin to be fun to rock. you want to come over and enjoy missing studs with your screw gun.if you want to make fun of plumb or level go get a dictionary and play scrabble online!.i dont know about you but i work hard for my money . my customers are all satisfied and well taken care of,.i paid this idiot. i do not rip anyone off.butttt. he should have taken more pride and less rush in a job..plus if i was not on the job the front porch would have to be knocked down they were building it too big and the columns would be over hanging the porch.i have been in the buisness for 20 years. i know what is good and what is crap. i have seen carpenters notch partition walls to get them perctly flat. that is pride. not smack it wack it then were is my check. soo dont go jumpin down my throat without knowin the facts jack. enjoy your weekend. o know i will be spending mine on my place
There are certainly two sides to every story.
And you tend to get what you paid for - I agree with Luka that this is a lot of work for the money.
And Bollie may have an attitude...not that I wouldn't if I saw sloppy work.
But this thing touches on one of my pet peeves. I've worked behind way too many framers with sloppy attitudes and careless work and I've NEVER seen one that, having let this unplumb wall get by, didn't also have plenty of other F*** ups left behind for me or somebody else to fix. I worked condo jobs for a couple years being the backup framer. I followed up three different crews and don't think that I can't recognize how a sloppy attitude will produce sloppy work.
What shows in the photos looks pretty good, so if the unplumbed wall was the only thing, I would say it was an oops and deal with it but Bollie says that there were other items also. So it sounds like he got what he paid for.Excellence is its own reward!
maybe if the framer woulda come back and fixed it if he got paid more
jason & anyone else who thinks Bollie is at fault because he didn't pay enough.......stick your opinion in your asss. How many times have you underbid a job? Does that give you an excuse to halfass it because you screwed up the bid?
A guy who will leave a wall 2" out of plumb because he forgot to notch the top plate is a hack. What he got paid is not the point, and you know it. The guy would have left it that way for twice the price is my guess. $1500 a day if I read it right ought to get some competent help, not crack heads. Or was this a crew of 15 men? My opinion, based on the same info you guys have used to hang Bollie. Joe H
I'm not using the low price to excuse the framer. I'm pointing out that a low price is one of many signs that he is a poor framer. These symptoms travel in a herd. Excellence is its own reward!
Joe,
It was not my intention to "hang" Mr Bollie.
I do NOT believe that low price is an excuse for faulty workmanship. If you quote low, you eat it. But you still do a quality job.
Good golly, Mr Bollie hung hisself. The more he talks, the more I am convinced that he thinks his spit don't stink, and that no one else could do anything correct. No matter how beautifully the job was done, Bollie would not have been satisfied. The price that he paid was only a small part of what I pointed out.
If you read his posts with an eye to not giving Mr Bollie the benefit of the doubt for having poor communication skills, and thereby do not read 'between the lines', (just take his words on face value)... you can see plenty of evidence for the fact that Bollie tried to save a buck, but wanted taj mahal workmanship and materials for twinkie prices. Plus, plenty of evidence that he constantly harrassed and harranged the contractor from day one.
If you go back to the beginning, and read everything that he wrote, with a fresh outlook, you might even come to the conclusion that the wall was the biggest, or only problem. That it was maybe a 1/4 to a half inch out of plumb, and that everything that Bollie says should be taken as nothing more than just a laundry list of 'slight exxagerations'.
My bottom line opinion on this whole matter is that we are getting only -part- of one half, of the story. If my intuition is correct on the whole thing, I don't think the contractor comes out smelling any more like a rose than Bollie does. I get the feeling that they deserved each other.
What I didn't like, and what made me respond in the way I did was the fact that Bollie came in here giving a very skewed version of the whole story, to make it look as much as possible like he was the victim of a drive-by construction outfit, and fishing for commiseration.
If Bollie had been the contractor, and he had come in here with just as skewed a story about how the homeowner had harrassed him from day one, how he had not charged enough, and how he was rushed because he had stuck this in between two other scheduled projects, then tried to get commisseration for having left the wall out of plumb.... I would have been making my post to him instead. I certainly would have been asking him if he had paid attention to the homeowner's complaints, and fixed them. I most certainly would have chewed him out for leaving the wall out of plumb. His own failure to plan did not justify a slip-shod job.
He was wrong. Bollie was wrong. But Bollie was the one who came in here and made the post.
There was nothing constructive to be gained from his post, nor from any response posts that patted him on the back and handed him a hanky.
And last... I do not appreciate being told to stick my opinion up my asss...
I thought that was a hell of a deal for 6 k too, Luka. Much better deal when you take into account that the first floor was a mess to build offa.
Oh well, all is fine now, (still would like to know if it was just that bottom plate that was out). Move on Bollie and post some progress photos, that looks like a neat project to post in the gallery, and you can show us some of your stuff.
luka i did not say to stck it any where.. i am very laid back. i had three prices all within a couple of grand.i was originally using a different framer. but he could not start on the agreed date. i had one month to get this addition closed in.the guy i did use ,i know his father in law.i helped his crew whenever they asked. and gave him one of my guys for a day to get the rafters upwhich cost me 200 out of my pocket.i bought a case of water every day and had it iced down for the men. i tarped the house myself. so i fell i was a help not a pain in the ####.i do not have an attitute. if you spent 30 grand and the outcome was that u wuold have an attitude.i fixed the problem and am goin on with my job. i posted it for some other insight. like two heads are better than one . i thought that what a forum is for. not to gat smart #### remarks.
You say you wanted insight?
I read your first post again. You stated a problem with the framing and that you wanted info. What did you want us to tell you? Leave the problem, it's small potatoes? Fix it immediately before the house crashed to the ground? Fry the contractor and call him an idiot?
Luka has read alot of posts on this forum. Usually we only have one side of the story to go by, but time shows us when to trust that side or not. I do not, nor does Luka, trust that your side is straight. The fact of the matter is that you shouldn't have paid him without doing a thorough inspection. What else do you want us to do for you?
As Luka stated, your thread has no value whatsoever. Why don't you post some more pictures so we can see how your project is turning out and make it somewhat interesting. Jon Blakemore
It was Joe who told Luka to stick it...not you. You might be laid back now that you've got it fixed but the first couple days here you were JUST A LITTLE WOUND UP!
I've read back through this whole thread again. And again.
I see what these guys mean about why the builder may have been in a hurry to leave. You were around an awful lot, pointing out all their minor errors, doing some of their work for them, even putting your own man in place to 'help'. I wonder, if he was 'helping' them set rafters, if he wasn't the one who nailed a couple rafters in tight over that wall beforre they had a chance to adjust it??????? They followed suit. Maybe he told them that every thing was fine and by the time they knew he messed up...
Mixed bags like this never work out. Maybe this crew was a bunch of messed up crachreads or maybe you got in the way of good work - I've had that happen myself with clients 'help'. Especially the perfectionists.
You are a very impatient person. It shows in that you came here for advice and then had it all fixed before we even had information enough to help out. The right way to follow up a mistake like this is to identify all the problems, then get the builder back and let him do it but you jumped right in there and...voided any warrantee you might have had if you tried to make any claim in court.
You selected this crew because they were the first ones available on your schedule (impatience again) at first saying that they came very well recommended, then saying that the recommendation comes from a FIL. Family recommendations can be thrown out about half the time - guess why.
BTW, I figured (had to make an assumption or two) that for four days with a four man crew and ten hour days, this guy was only charging at $37.5/hr and they got an awful lot done for that.
Hope that we can all get past this and learn from this job and each other, things like inspecting the work before writing the check. Stay on board Bollie and keep us updated, maybe look ahead instead of after the fact.Excellence is its own reward!
.....and I hate when someone calls a post a beam.......
Hmmmmm.......
how about i stick my foot in YOUR ......1- 2 -3-...ok im calm now...if my post came on to seem that im "attacking"..than i apologize...obviously im assuming alot,but...it seems like an awfully big job for the price stated....and there is alot of information missing...like...for instance..how big was the crew..how long was their workdays..ect...i dont excuse the framer for no coming back to fix it...maybe he was jammed with work and was going to come back after starting someone elses house...framers do it alot when they have lots of work...hell alot of other trades do the same....maybe i shoulda worded my post different...maybe you shoulda too..
jason
I've read this thread a couple of times, I don't quite get what Bollie's presence on the job has to do with the framer not getting it right and then "oh, that's why he split"...homeowner, contractor, what's the difference? ...most people I know in construction get hired to do a job right, and we know when it's right...I don't see a job detrimental attitude here...just another case of don't pay in full 'till you check everything out...mistakes can be made, how fast you can fix 'em is a mark of how good you are...then you get paid...
I wish you guys could do my job for a week or so,
Out of plumb? ha! about thirty percent of the houses I visit are poorly constructed. The framer blaims it on the foundation, the foundation guy blaims it on the excavator, and they all complain about the plans.
Price seems to have very little to do with it. multi million dollar homes or cheap town homes they all seem to suffer.
Oh I know it's the wood and the foundation and the site or whatever....
Day in and day out I see about 100 to 150 homes under construction a month. I could watch a ball roll on most floors, a plumb bob would display walls to be ashamed of, and a framing square must be off since few corners are actually 90 degrees.
Now before you think I'm pointing my finger at others, I plead guilty! My own dream home is far from perfect. I can't blame anyone except myself. It drives me nuts. I'm not pressured into a time crunch. I can't blame business reasons or costs since I don't charge myself a dime for the time it takes. I'm just not good enough to do everything perfectly and those errors will be there for a long time.
Compare a guy who is doing what he wants to at the pace he wants to and the guy who's family eats based on the work he produces. A little attitude adjustment is called for and if you don't believe me, build a house yourself sometime............
Bucksnort,
I totaly agree with you.
It is not, nor has it been up to now, my intention to excuse the framer.
I already explained, it is not who is right, who is wrong, who should fix it, etc... that bothered me. It was reading a one-sided post, with only half of that one side of the story presented, and the "other guy" made out to be some kind of bandit.
Bandit or no, perfectionist or no, time, effort, professional attitude and job or no..... That is not what I was on about. I simply did not like to see one person railroading another in that way.
I already said that if it had been the contractor that had come in with only half of his side of the story, and railroading the customer that way, I would have had the same reaction.
It was easier to point out some of the things that I saw in Bollie's own words, that showed that he wasn't being totaly forthright... than to sit here and try to make up a whole sermon on the mount about the thing.
I apologize for obviously having come across in a way that I did not intend.
Quittin' Time
i agree there is alot of crap being built out there. i was just on a job were the house was 700 k and the trusses were so wacked . i was afraid to walk in the attic.i will never use spruce again. i have many studs on a inside wall which have studs with wild bends and bows.try to save a penny and it costs a buck. you figure you see them use it in million dollar homes.it must be ok for my small house. WRONG!! doug fir and plyood only , osb on a roof or floors boy i want to see that house in 20 years. as far as my wall being off. yes im impatient i have a house to finish. it sucks living under construction. as far as help ,he asked me. i have plenty of other work which needed to be done.as far as luka goes, i can only speak for myself, which is of course one sided. if this guy would return my calls i could post a response for him.but he got paid and knew he screwed up. this forum is great for help and ideas. that is why i read here. and books and magazines.
B>>> "i will never use spruce again. i have many studs on a inside wall which have studs with wild bends and bows."
Uh huh, but I have always used spruce. What to do? How do I do it? Oh no, I'm shaking.
It's not magic guy, it's called building. We get paid to deal with it. You want to do your own thing, fine, but you aren't a builder.
You fixed the wall, stop whining and concentrate on the next issue that will come up and smack you on the head. The fun hasn't even started yet.
"Douglas Fir 2x4s............( Bollie1)"
Heck, I'd really like to see one...I don't even know what that is! All our lumberyards ever carry is SPF or Hemp/Fir.
The Hemp/fir really isn't a 100% DF; if you know what I mean. I actually prefer the SPF over the HF because Spruce holds nails better than the Hemp. The HF stuff looks really straight and pretty, but fire a few nails into it and the stuff splits on impact almost always. I can fix bows and crooks, but I haven't figured how to patch a blowout (from HF) yet.
The only thing in Doug Fir around here is joist material only. A lumberyard in Western PA will occaisionally sell DF 4x4s, but in my locale, all 4x4s in stock are the treated variety only. (CCA Southern Yellow Pine).
I'ts funny what sells where (regional) and why and for how much.
MDF.......none of the 6 local lumberyards carry it, or will even order it. I drive 35 miles to the nearest Home Depot and buy it there.
Western Red and White Cedar...Whats that? except for shingle material around here, I think that bird is extinct!
You need Southern Yellow Pine? C'mon down! Got lots & lots. Ditto on Oak (green or KD), Cherry, Walnut, Mahogany and Maple. Tons of Poplar, but it does'nt weather worth a damn.
Ipe? Nope, nada, no way/ no how!
As for how much....here's some local SPF prices
2x4x8'................$2.02
2x6x8'...............$3.60
2x8x8'...............$5.50
2x12x8'..............$8.40
4x4x8'(treated)...$5.00
5/8 OSB.............$10.00 sht.
1/2 inch ,4 ply CDX...$ 10.85 sht.
3/4 CDX ply........$17.70
3/4 Oak interior ply...$48 sht.
3/4 interior ply (other woods..cherry, maple, etc)....$56 sht.
Davo
2x4x10' KD Spruce= $3.30Excellence is its own reward!
7/16" osb=$4.99
1/2" osb=$6.59
3/4" osb t&g=$9.99
3/4" ply t&g sturdyfloor= $15.75Half of good living is staying out of bad situations.
well my lumber yard has doug fir. all my structural framing is doug fir. rafters and floor joist.. maybe it was the crap my helper got from home depot. cause all the lumber from my local yard is fine,hey qrtmeg,sounds like you have an attitude. did you have a bad day pal.ahs anyone ever seen osb left out in the weather. it swellls to twice its size. hope none gets any leaks on that osb floor or roof.
Lol bollie, Ya I had a bad day, a couple of zillion of them.
After a billion, things have to be really bad to get on the radar. You got things back on track, right? That is what counts.
Hemp / Fir good one lol! Isn't that what the Indians used to make pot out of hemp? For their peace pipes. Sorry I had to do it . Just messin with ya.
Edited 7/18/2002 3:12:04 AM ET by Edgar76b
When I worked in Portland Ore. I saw a Pallate of striat grained / Knot free Spruce 2 x 4's. Not one funky stud on the skid. I think they keep the best for them selves out there. My mouth dropped open, when I saw that. It looked like clear furniture grade stock.
I subbed my house out and hired the "best framer around" from what I could find out. He told me what he charged, and I didn't haggle a bit, just agreed to the price he quoted. Generally it was very well done. First carp I ever saw who used a drywall square to mark the joist line on every piece of decking before it was placed -- I checked, and there is not a single "shiner" in 2600 sq. ft. of floor.
But the back double patio doors wouldn't open after they were installed. (and the siding was up (and butted against the brickmold). And most of the windows are a little out of level (I've had a hard time deciding if the jambs should be square with the windows, or plumb). I had one laminated beam supporting the upper floor than ran over a downstairs doorway. It would have been fine, except the top plate had a joint right under the beam, and the cripples were cut too short. I didn't notice it until we got ready to do drywall.
In our conversations he seemed a little "sensitve" about people checking up on his work, so I was careful to keep a low profile during the framing. I really think most of the mistakes were made by his helpers while he was not on site. IF I had inspected the work on a daily basis, this could have all been fixed rather easily. But he'd probably have been pissed at me. I could have called him back when I found the mistakes. But he'd probably have been pissed at me. I could have taken pictures of the mistakes -- and my fixes -- and sent them to him with a note about "next time". But he'd probably have been pissed at me.
My point is, based on my limited experience, and mostly on the comments I've heard here the last few years, 90% of the professional carpenters or builders out there are going to get pissed off if a "customer" finds a mistake. The attitude seems to be, "Who are THEY to find fault with MY work -- I'm a professional!"
Do you think that's a fair assessment?
My point is, based on my limited experience, and mostly on the comments I've heard here the last few years, 90% of the customers out there are going to find a million imagined mistakes, and get pissed off if the builder doesn't immediately spent more time and materials on fixing these imagined mistakes, than the job cost in the first place.
The attitude seems to be, "I paid for it, it should be perfect according to MY standards! And who cares if what I want done will make the quality sub-standard... again.. I paid for it. And yes, I dam well WILL bitch, moan and complain all over again, when you spend your own time and money changing things to the way that I want them done, and it ends up not passing inspection, because I really don't know s h i t about construction, I just watch it on TV."
Do you think that's a fair assessment?
I'll agree that yours is fair, if you'll agree that mine is fair. One is just as 'fair' an assessment as the other.
The truth is somewhere in between.
Quittin' Time
hey rusty you are right.many get pissed at you but it is your money. nothing is goin to be perfect.the problem with hiring subs is no one give a crap about the finish stage. i am just framing . im just sheetrockin let teh taper fix the gap. and then there is the line "caulk and paint makes it what it aint".i wish i went around with a level and checked all his work.i would have saved three days of work myself.you have to stay on top of things or you will have a mess come finish time.good luck.
p.s. dont get upset when qtrmeg balls you out and jumps up and down.he is ok deep down inside he probly just hates some of his customers. i know i do.i hardly have a tongue from biting it..!!!lol lol!!!
I'm sure glad that we don't have the attitude or problems with the trades that you seem to been having luck with....Each trade is a different company, diff. skill, diff. people...but they ALL check and work with each other to try and make the next step easier. (Framers stacking studs to joists, checking with the plumb and heat; HVAC calling ahead to the plumb. to see if he is going high or low; blocking for the cabinets, by checking if they're 7', 7'6" or 8's; etc etc)....But each person, no matter if they are the mason, elec, or a laborer...are ALL treated with R-E-S-P--E-C-T. Funny how that can go a long way. Sure makes a GC job that much less stressful....
Edited 7/18/2002 8:39:14 PM ET by POSTNBEAM
Cool Hand Luke said "What we have here is a failure to communicate."
I think Bollie1 has an attitude. I think the framer screwed up, and for reasons unknown to us decided to duck out on finishing the job. Who knows what really happened.
Bollie1, you need to remember that this is the web site of the magazine Fine Homebuilding. We know the difference between level and plumb (90 degrees). If you have a problem, next time try stating it in a concise manner without being vindictive.Jon Blakemore
here is pics of it
So it was the bottom plate of the right gable wall that was out 2 inches? Or was that the good part?
Anyhow, nice addition. It would be interesting to se how you are going to finish it.
I think this is one case where the caps lock is allowed, lol.
Ya, fix it or live with it. Hard to say without being there, but you might want to see what the ridge looks like. Sounds like you have more to do than install windows.
I dont type well. i am not yelling its just eaier to type.see i subbed out the framing on a second story addition on my own home. it is not square or perfect in any way . but i am a good craftsman and a perfectionist whan it comes to my work.i fixed the wall yesterday. 8 hours with the flu ..this #### did not return any of my calls.it looks like i got a tailight waranty. sueing sounds nice.but when you win you never get paid. abc inc. becomes xyz inc. the ridge is fine. he was just rushing. there was a chimney on the iniside wall. instead of trimming the top plate bacck 2 inches he just smacked it up.he knew he f--ked up.when he put the partitio wall up there was an arrow wand it said back 2 inches. so they knew.i will never pay anyone to do work on my house again. this idiot was highly recomended.i gat mad when i think of wasting 6 grand for 4 days of sh-t labor . and three days of fixing and finishing the job the right way.