Bottom of these columns are sitting on PT wood square boxes with hardie backer type board covering.
Is this a style thing??
Edited 11/27/2005 6:49 pm ET by edwardh1
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Edited 11/27/2005 6:49 pm ET by edwardh1
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What are these pedestools?
Ugly? Hopefully they will be covered up with more brickwork to match the foundation and the hardie board/ pt. is just for longevity.
Mike
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
Looks a little odd... probably will look better once they are painted. The thing that seems off to me is that the bottom boxes are smaller than the column bases. My guess is that the columns weren't tall enough so some impoverishing (sp?) took place. I think it would look good if the bases were bigger. I wonder if the bases just "happen" to be ~8 1/4" wide? ;-)
I'm betting on a brick veneer.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
What's gonna keep that veneer on the deck?Sure hope they twist those raised bases to match the lower columns, though...no accountin' for taste, or as we can now see, design<G> What in the gosh darn golly have you done to Rez?
Oops. Must be my dial-up connection. I missed that the ply is on the edge oif the porch.
Looks like they used fiberglass bases, and they are sitting loose on the ply, and that's why they look askance.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
I'd call it a mistake.
but the designer might not thinkso.
I'm guessing the intent is to continue boxing them out to complimentt he column trims size as a detailed plinth base, but if they do that, it will overhang the decking slightly. Somebody is getting ready to say, "Ooops!"
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Is this the same builder that had the stairway into the door?
Either way, I'd say they couldn't/didn't try/too much $ to get columns the height they needed.
Stacy's mom has got it going on.
Take another picture next week so we can see whats up?
Mike
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Looks like they are turned for easy painting, then turn and drop down over box to meet deck.
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Ughh I take that back, WTF are they planning on doing??? keep us posted
That's hardibacker? Looks like 1/2-in. sheetrock!Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Those gotta be getting covered up! Probably with fake stucko. Which is sucko.
Edited 11/28/2005 2:00 pm ET by MarkH
umm.... wow! Cultured stone maybe? hopefully - SOMETHING!.... ;0)
Edited 11/28/2005 10:38 pm ET by sjott
To add to what I said earlier it looks like they could not set the columns in far enough from the edge of the porch so as to fit properly sized bases.
Which brings me to another thought... I like having my framers set porch beams in some so they will better align with the top of the porch columns. So that the beam will bear more directly on the load bearing portion of the column. Most builders I see don't do that, which ends up meaning that the beam is 'perched' on the edge of the column. Hope that made sense... Anyway, who of you set their beams in? The amount you set the beam in depends on the width of the column to be used, and is typically anywhere between 3 and 8". If the roof is trussed, this can cause problems because then the trusses don't really bear properly on the beam. Building the beam up thicker to say three or four 2x? helps with this, but again, I don't see many builders doing this either, presumably because it my be considered a waste of lumber... If the roof framing is stick built there is not a prob with the rafter/beam bearing since you can just build up the beam top with some 2x4s or whatever... About the only time these beam issues don't pertain is when the posts are to be of a 4x4 form factor.
Thoughts?
We want to see more pictures as that calamity progresses Ed...
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I dont care what the rest of the BTers think but I dont like em!
That looks like an older house to me. The columns were obviously not made for that porch. I wonder what happened to the originals. This looks to me like a case where someone got some columns cheap, and didn't let the fact that they are a couple of feet too short stop him from using them. That is so ugly that someone really should stop them, and I don't see how it could be structurally sound.
Allen in Boulder Creek
I'm betting they'll get wrapped in cultured stone and look similar to the one in background of this picture of Elton:
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Not a bad look, IMO, on the right house. These ones are real stone and not cutured. The porch was finished off with a bluestone deck and was really sharp when it was completed.
your explantaion is the best so far - we will seeits a new house being built
I was thinking they would be wraped with same siding as on the house and then the rail installed between too the height of the blocks.
This thread reminds me of those times at work when a customer is looking over my shoulder. "Are you going to fill that!?" or, "Is that what it's going to look like!?" Come on guys, give the builder a break. My take is that the boxed bases will be furred out to meet the column's decorative base with the entire thing covered in stucco and a railing system to tie it all together.
-Terry
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Hope it's not your house.
That looks absolutely awful. Whoever dealt that mess has no sense of design or proportion.
Can't be an architect involved. Positively not. Looks like no-design-build to me.
arch involved.
Is that a style? columns on top of boxes?
what is tha style called?
Crap.
More commonly known as the I-ordered-the-columns-too-short style....that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Man, some of you guys are pretty quick to point a finger. Imagine if this was your job..... you're not even done yet and a bunch of contractors are telling you your work looks like crap. Who knows.... maybe the guy is done and that's as good as it's going to get. But I say it's still too early to tell.
The column on a pedestal is an architectural detail that's been around for about a million years. When done properly, it's a very classic look. Those of you with the "someone ordered the columns too short" comments should brush up on your historical architecture before you show your ignorance to a potential client.
Like I said... with any architectural feature, the craftsman building it has got to make it look good in proportion and choice of materials. But the feature itself is a widely accepted one. Maybe it will look like crap when it's finished.... but geez.... you gotta let it get finished or at least have a working understanding of the process so you know what it "could" look like when it's finished.View Image
Brush up on architectural history? Then you know those bases are nowhere near proportion? I don't care how much trim gets tacked on it....that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Oh.... it's the proportion that's off. Thought you said the bases were there because the columns were too short. My bad, I guess. Look...... it ain't like its my job or something.... I just think whoever the builder is deserves a chance to finish their work before a bunch of dudes rip it apart...... especially his fellow tradesmen who ought to know better.View Image
I have to agree with you. They aren't done because the pressure treated material is still exposed, and the column bases are overhanging the boxed pedestal. There are probably some classical style moldings waiting for the last minute install to prevent construction damage. Here is a pic of the Charlotte City hall. Look familiar?
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Edited 1/31/2006 9:16 am ET by MarkH
portortion is in the eye of the beholder I guess- the ones in the subdivision are on a 1 1/2 story house
In that case, I don't think that's right.
Great shot Mark. It is good to see such columns in use in a familar setting. However, the columns in question are much smaller, naturally, and they appear very very close togather. Then again we need that head on photo to get the perspective.
I am sure they will look fine. I think people are just blowing a little steam off and having some fun. However, that is not fun if you are on the recieving end of the funning.
I've got a feeling they really wont look right, but they aren't done yet.
Kind of my thought. Again I would love to see a front on shot. Perhaps one of the whole house.
Then again, as diesel has said, it might be nice if we were not in the business of criticing everything. Hopefully, more often than not we are an uplifting force on the board, and encouragers, not discouragers.
Well, he clearly isn't a member of the boards, otherwise there is a long list of us with a 2x4 waiting!
...that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Imagine crusing the web and stumbling on pictures of your own site followed by a bunch of dudes ripping it apart? Oh man.....that'd just blow. LOL. In all seriousness though..... you could very well be right and that last picture is as good as it's going to get.
But I really feel strongly that whoever is building it deserves the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure that if someone came along and took pictures of some of my stuff partially completed it would leave a lot of guys scratching their heads. And I also really meant no disrespect in my post earlier.View Image
As the owner of an old house, I can get pretty harsh on awkward "Craftsmanesque" attempts that are in vogue now.
...I thought you were getting on me because of the Damon signing.
...that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Edited 1/31/2006 2:48 pm ET by BungalowJeff
Edited 1/31/2006 2:48 pm ET by BungalowJeff
Didn't even recall that you were a Yankee fan to be honest. Damon is old news around Boston now anyway. With Theogate over and Coco Crisp signed everyone is pretty excited around here about the upcoming season now that all positions have been filled. Pitching looks strong. Just win baby!
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Edited 1/31/2006 3:15 pm ET by dieselpig
What exactly is the deal with Theo, anyway? Coco Crisp is a good pick-up. Good cereal too....that's not a mistake, it's rustic
What exactly is the deal with Theo, anyway?
He didn't re-up his contract back in October due to "philosophical differences". Basically, he was sick of the way Larry Luchino runs the show. The media leaks were a big problem. The public contract negotiations were another. And he believes in grooming prospects for the long term, rather than trading them away for instant gratification. He's a solid character. I've got a lot of respect for him for sticking to his guns and walking away from a huge contract. We'll see how it goes. Luchinno is a tough nut so we'll see how much things have really changed.View Image
I agree. A head on picture to show the entire porch would be useful.
see head on
edward.. keep 'em comming.. i think this job is going to look elegant when it's doneMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Certainly looks better than the average Ohio, out of place, overblown, vinyl sided, chopped up top, McMansion.
use of a lot of wood esp the 2nd floor "railing" which looks kinda like plywood
lots of painting in future years
Didn't you say earlier that those columns were on a 1 1/2 story house? That's some 1/2 a story. Seem like you may have been the one with only 1/2 the story. ;) Looks like pretty nice digs to me.
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Edited 2/5/2006 10:47 pm ET by dieselpig
Looks better from that view.let them finish.Is this a job your working on? or just doing drive by's.
walk bys
Is this the same subdivision that has the stairwell blocking one half of a double door? And the one that has the glass door on the bathroom that opens onto the front porch? All those double doors on the front look like they came from the same mind.
Yes
then again diesel you must admit to being a bit quick on the trigger yourself on occasion. No?
Aren't we all guilty at one point or another? So that disqualifies me from making a fair comment?View Image
As long as we see the beam in our own eyes.
18 posts, you've been a member for two days according to your profile, and you are apparently very familiar with who I am (or so you think).
Hmmmmmm...... you wouldn't be "Shaken not Stirred" reincarnated, would you? New members to the forum rarely post in flurries the way you are doing. Care to answer an honest question?
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Edited 2/2/2006 6:03 am ET by dieselpig
I was trying to figure out the same thing.
Who is Do? - ;)Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City
I have no idea of what you speak.
It is interesting that my one post about you leaping to conclusion could resonant so deeply with you, in connection with some Shaker whoever or without. Interesting.
I guess I hit a cord with some merit, I suppose.
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Nah....not artman.....he's on sebatical till Sept. or so......as elections draw near, he'll be back.
I think deisel nailed it.
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Oh stop.....even his mother doesn't miss him.
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Welcome back Shaken. We sure missed you.View Image
They call it columnalabox. Very common now, where have you been? Living in a cave some where? LOL!!!!!!!
edward...
that's a big improvement over the first pics
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i hope the PT is a base for something a little more in keeping ... like AzekMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
This thread reminds me of those times at work when a customer is looking over my shoulder. "Are you going to fill that!?" or, "Is that what it's going to look like!?"
Egg-freakin'-zactly!
Holy crap.....I can just hear 'em lookin' over some pictures of a dug out foundation..."Wonder if this yahoo left room fer the footers"...."that don't look below the frost line to me".
Reminds me of a job I did some time back.....an onsite, custom replication of a newel post. Barely finished clamping up the plywood box substrate.... HO lookin' over my shoulder..."that doesn't look anything like the original". I coulda backhanded him right there and then.
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I thought of this thread today out of the blue....punched in a couple keywords to the Search funtion....and voila...it..and only it...came back. I guess I can't talk crap about the Prospro Search Function for a while.
Anyway.....this project ever finish up? Got any pics?
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will try
here tis see pix
thanks for the follow-up
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can you get a closer head on pic.. i'd like to see the detail
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Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 12/25/2006 2:04 pm ET by MikeSmith
Does this help?
yes, it does
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