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   Frankie | Mar 25, 2004 04:22pm | #1

   Basically it's alot more paperwork and you dress better. I am not kidding. LOTS of paperwork and if you dress better you'll get a lot more done - faster.

   You will be working at the jobsite and in the office. You will/ should be involved with budgeting issues, scheduling, quality control and insuring the the Company meets the Client's expectations.

   You are managing the Project. Managing the Client's expectations is your boss' job.

   A site-supervisor reports to the PM, what of and how the PM's choreography has been adressed. Simply the PM creates and The Super impliments.

   F.

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   ANDYSZ2 | Mar 26, 2004 07:47am | #2

   Thanks for the reply

   As i am not sure what exactly my role will be on a

   6 million dollar house .I am trying to get a basic understanding of the 2 positions before I negotiate a salary.

   My guess is that it will be more supervisal than manager.

   ANDYSZ2I MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT I WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT.

   Remodeler/Punchout

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   Mooney | Mar 26, 2004 01:10pm | #3

   " My guess is that it will be more supervisal than managerial"

   Then it wont be a project manager. You want to be a super?

   Be careful or you might get both jobs for one money.

   Tim Mooney 

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   ClancysBro | Mar 27, 2004 02:29am | #4

   Project managing in these times are a "job" onto themselves is right. You are trained to receive a team of professionals and use the budget to accomplish your mission. Although micro-managing styles are rampant these days, I will suggest what has worked well for myself is the relationships of the whole aspect. These are a must in this line of work so up-front talks serve the best in being clear of the money, time constraints, and realistic ways to reward those who work for your team if they finish way ahead of schedule, should always be the opening conversation after the bid is excepted. Boom there you are, in the drivers seat if you like or not it's your time and time is the most important feature in my training I think.

   Given any amount of time I can almost learn most things- lol! People and time are your best assets. The money is not going to be there and this is where a good PM steps up and makes the job easy. Everyone knows what to do come action time, mission, personnel, supplies, environmental adversity's, and finally the b.s.

   Flexibility can cause disruptions but sometimes it's a shake of the dice not to micro-manage and still be able to let go of the rope a bit always lightening the scene with just a small bit of humor, not to much. Steady flexible work hours can cause lag in the time line given to you so encourage money spent on overtime for Americans rather then tariffs importing whatever. You don't need to stay late to manage well, establish a check in time for initial war time and changes that impact the project. Get written change's promptly and keep variance cost's, (I am stopping this work programming now, ouch) - Prota "Men will wrangle for religion; write for it; fight for it; die for it; anything but-live for it."- C. Connolly

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   remodelerdw | Mar 27, 2004 02:45am | #5

   I agree andy it sounds like you'll be both.

   I'm a project manager, and my scope of work is typically budgeting, handling change orders (costing them and negotiating with the client), negotiating subcontractors, getting bids and writing purchase orders, being the point of contact for the client to resolve problems, handling the utility companies and municipal building authorities and taking care of all of their paperwork (permits, as-builts, plan or change approval, etc.), trouble shooting problems that come up, calling in utility locates, doing AIA billings to the client, etc.  It's 50% office - 25% offsite meetings - 25% jobsites.

   Most important is being the person whom the buck stops with.  Any problem, I am the point of final responsibility to fix it. 

   In my company the foreman on the job is probably a little lower and the superintendent even with my position.  They handle day-to-day supervision of labor and all the attendant issues with vacation days, time cards, pay problems, etc., as well as scheduling delivery of material that I have put po's in and gotten set up for them (I don't know when they want stuff), meeting inspectors onsite, walking the owner through when they're out on the job, etc.

   It makes sense that I get the complicated problems because our field is very focused on meeting production goals, and the time-consuming stuff that can't be quantified would skew their performance.  If you take this job I suggest getting with an experienced commercial PM in your area and seeing what kind of forms, etc. they use and spend a lot of time developing procedures in advance.  Documentation is the key to success as a PM.  All e-mails read-receipted and saved, after every meeting write out what you talked about and fax it to the person and other interested parties, you can't take too many notes.  the meeting notes thing you'll be surprised how often someone clarifies your understanding.  The volume of different details means you'll never remember it a month down the road when it's a problem.  Particularly on a $6m job, which is a BIG job. 

   remodeler

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   JRuss | Apr 06, 2004 01:40am | #6

   Basically the the work is the exact same thing as if you were the general contractor, only you're not guaranteeing the price, the work, or providing insurance (except PM insurance). You can further limit your responsibility contractually. Get the AIA construction management contract with instructions.

   Remember there will be a general. In cases like this usually it's the owner, who's hiring you by definition because he/she doesn't know sh-- from Shinola about construction. They hold the last word on decision making. If they're smart they will leave management and decisions up to you. If they are not, your life can become a living hell.

   A 6 mil house will take 2 to 3 years out of your life. $75,000 to $85,000 a year is not too much to ask to take on a project like this. I charge 31/2% plus insurance and overhead. In the end on a 6 mil project, you'll feel you've earned every cent.

   Never serious, but always right.